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FreoGirl said:
I want to vent about the dilemma of hexing Freo if you buy flights (and looking like you’re getting ahead of yourself) versus missing out on flights if you wait until after the prelim….
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Surely we can’t all be cursed ?

Try this one ……….. I’m just going on a little holiday to Melbourne around late September . 😉
 
I’m in the slightly more fortunate boat of not having to fly from Perth, so the flight haven’t been jacked up the same way.

Can get $271 for the hop across the Tasman on the Thursday before the game in question, but think it’s a bad omen booking too early….
 
I have a catch-22 to deal with. Despite living in Melbourne, changing to an interstate membership so I could attend games here, I didn't have the option to maintain my guaranteed GF tickets. Now I'm on site, but might not be able to get a ticket!
 

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I'll have a go.

It's all very well to say our depth at Peel is banging the door down putting pressure on the current 23 to perform.

But if they're never picked regardless of how well they play consistently (ala Sharp), when others in the team were pretty average in a 124 point win (ala Wagner), then is their actually any pressure on the 23 when they know they'll be picked by JLo regardless?
 
Big Animal said:
I'll have a go.

It's all very well to say our depth at Peel is banging the door down putting pressure on the current 23 to perform.

But if they're never picked regardless of how well they play consistently (ala Sharp), when others in the team were pretty average in a 124 point win (ala Wagner), then is their actually any pressure on the 23 when they know they'll be picked by JLo regardless?
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Coaches aren’t or shouldn’t be guided by one poor game if that is how he was judged internally. It will take a series of poor performances to make that call.

The pressure is at least perceived to those within the AFL team & additionally the pressure of being dropped prior to a finals campaign is enough for any footballer to continue to perform to hold their spot.

There will be a time when a call may need to be made, but anyone going out can be considered very unlucky. A very healthy position for the club to be in.
 
Stinky Lomax said:
Coaches aren’t or shouldn’t be guided by one poor game if that is how he was judged internally. It will take a series of poor performances to make that call.

The pressure is at least perceived to those within the AFL team & additionally the pressure of being dropped prior to a finals campaign is enough for any footballer to continue to perform to hold their spot.

There will be a time when a call may need to be made, but anyone going out can be considered very unlucky. A very healthy position for the club to be in.
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Coaches aren’t or shouldn’t be guided by one poor game if that is how he was judged internally. It will take a series of poor performances to make that call. - except that's exactly what happened. Sharp was playing at Sandover level consistently for weeks at Peel, got a game and played an excellent game on the wing against the Blues and kicked 2. Then had a quieter game against Bullies and was dropped and has been back playing at Sandover level at Peel. So different rules for different borderline players (we're not talking Caleb or Young here).

The pressure is at least perceived to those within the AFL team & additionally the pressure of being dropped prior to a finals campaign is enough for any footballer to continue to perform to hold their spot. - yet this doesn't happen so perceived pressure has less real effect on performance than actual pressure.

My point stands.
 
Why is that many of the boundary umpires now are struggling to throw the ball in over 10 metres and have started to stand in the field 4 or 5 metres before they throw it. I don't know why the rucks stand 40 metres from the boundary and then have to sprint to try and make it on many occasions.
 
Big Animal said:
Coaches aren’t or shouldn’t be guided by one poor game if that is how he was judged internally. It will take a series of poor performances to make that call. - except that's exactly what happened. Sharp was playing at Sandover level consistently for weeks at Peel, got a game and played an excellent game on the wing against the Blues and kicked 2. Then had a quieter game against Bullies and was dropped and has been back playing at Sandover level at Peel. So different rules for different borderline players (we're not talking Caleb or Young here).

The pressure is at least perceived to those within the AFL team & additionally the pressure of being dropped prior to a finals campaign is enough for any footballer to continue to perform to hold their spot. - yet this doesn't happen so perceived pressure has less real effect on performance than actual pressure.

My point stands.
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This is just a guess but I reckon the coaches rate an average AFL game at least equal with a good WAFL game.

So different rules for different borderline players (we're not talking Caleb or Young here).

Different rules if you’re B23 (which Wagner is) or not (Sharp is not). The current philosophy (rightly or wrongly) allows accepted B23 leeway for some average performances whilst non B23 who get into the team through injury or similar make way for B23 when they are available, mostly irrespective of how the replacement performs.
 

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Midnite65 said:
Why is that many of the boundary umpires now are struggling to throw the ball in over 10 metres and have started to stand in the field 4 or 5 metres before they throw it. I don't know why the rucks stand 40 metres from the boundary and then have to sprint to try and make it on many occasions.
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If you get too the front too early and have to prop you are cooked

Some 2m freak will nudge you under the ball and be away to the races

Gotta be moving when the ball gets there
 
Big Animal said:
Coaches aren’t or shouldn’t be guided by one poor game if that is how he was judged internally. It will take a series of poor performances to make that call. - except that's exactly what happened. Sharp was playing at Sandover level consistently for weeks at Peel, got a game and played an excellent game on the wing against the Blues and kicked 2. Then had a quieter game against Bullies and was dropped and has been back playing at Sandover level at Peel. So different rules for different borderline players (we're not talking Caleb or Young here).

The pressure is at least perceived to those within the AFL team & additionally the pressure of being dropped prior to a finals campaign is enough for any footballer to continue to perform to hold their spot. - yet this doesn't happen so perceived pressure has less real effect on performance than actual pressure.

My point stands.
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Vs Carlton he was a late in for Voss and played wing with Cox going forward more and players switching around. He played really well.

Against Bulldogs Voss came in for McVee and it unsettled the backline as it probably wasn't the right balance, plus Sharp was worse on ground for us against the Bulldogs. Made some real howlers that would have cost us if we lost.

With McVee available again we moved Sharp out. No real surprises since he is rated lower internally than others in the side. That is going to happen again next game with two of Wager, NOD or JOM going out for Serong and Johnson who are rated higher internally.

This isn't a bad thing, it's just part of being a side that soon might have barely any injuries and have won 12 in a row. Ras was on Sandover form 2 seasons ago and could barely get a game when we were a mid table team. It's not something that is out of the ordinary in our situation.
 
Purple Suit said:
plus Sharp was worse on ground for us against the Bulldogs. Made some real howlers that would have cost us if we lost
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I just don’t think this is the huge factor in selection that people want or make it out to be.

The assumption seems to be that so-called “selection integrity” is some utterly sacrosanct principle, such that the decision to keep “poor performing” player X in the side over player Y (who is “banging down the doors” at Peel) is akin to fratricide. But there is plenty of evidence to suggest that this principle is far from uniformly accepted in the industry, at least at the top level.

“Playing favourites” is the cliché that gets trotted out when Longmuir keeps selecting players they think aren’t performing, but that phrase is such a cliché precisely because it is so commonly said by fans of all clubs. I certainly remember Lyon when he was at Freo being accused of the same. If so-called selection integrity were the self-evident good that some people think it is, you have to wonder how the phrase “playing favourites” could ever attain the status of cliché.

Rightly or wrongly, it’s clear that the club have prioritised stability and continuity over so-called selection integrity. They’ve settled on a preferred 23 (evident in the decision at the start of the season to build Darcy in the AFL, rather than select Mox), and identified the preferred back ups (e.g MacDonald over Davies). Obviously if something goes wrong (injury, system breakdown) tweaks will need to be made, but the cause for being dropped won't be so much poor performance (as we supporters see it) as deviating from role, not being/doing what coach and teammates are expecting. This deviation can be the cause of what we see as a poor performance, but the latter in itself is not the determinant in selection.

For those banging down the door at Peel, I would imagine that they’ve been kept in the loop on this strategy, and they know what the club wants from them in terms of their role: keep building their craft and apply for promotion next year (to massively oversimplify things). Some might resent being overlooked for promotion this year and look elsewhere come trade period. That would be a shame in the case of some of them at least (e.g. Davies).

But the club — again, rightly or wrongly — have set their sights on a premiership this year and have decided that this is the strategy to achieve that goal. FWIW, I don’t know of any other workplace where people are promoted and demoted into different roles on a week-by-week basis. At any rate, I approve of the objective (win a premiership), and with the way things have gone so far, it looks like I will have to wait until the end of the season before I can assess the effectiveness of the strategy decided on to reach it.
 
Tay2phones song Caleb Serong has been removed from youtube and spotify.

That gets my goat (her name is Mable).
 
Doctor J said:
I have a catch-22 to deal with. Despite living in Melbourne, changing to an interstate membership so I could attend games here, I didn't have the option to maintain my guaranteed GF tickets. Now I'm on site, but might not be able to get a ticket!
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There's still packages through The Essendon Football Club. I know we are selling them at work, but not sure if you can go direct to their club.
 

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