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I actually really like the rear / tail lights. Also for all those saying it's a giant Cruze, it's probably more like a slightly altered Chevy Malibu.

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Caesar said:
Not very exciting, but then Commodores/Falcons have never been that exciting to look at.

The big advantage has always been that you get a lot of car with a lot of motor for not much money. Good for young families.
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The downside though is poor re-sale value and build quality, compared to an equivalently priced European or Japanese car. As for a lot of motor, I think it's a less of priority these days with 50 kmh speed zones and people looking to reduce their fuel bill.
If I was going to spend 40K on a family car, and the choice was a Commodore or say a Mazda 6 or CX-5, I'd go for the Mazda.
Having said that, I'm glad that Holden are still producing cars in Australia and there is a market for them, albeit declining.
 
Space is the issue with a lot of alternatives. I remember heading off on family holidays as a kid, and dad meticulously packing the Ford's boot full to bursting. Can't imagine getting ski or camping gear for a family of four to go away for a week into a Mazda 6.

Most of the time you don't need a big car, but I think a lot of people feel it's nice to have the space on the odd occasion you need it.
 
Rod Stroker said:
The downside though is poor re-sale value and build quality, compared to an equivalently priced European or Japanese car. As for a lot of motor, I think it's a less of priority these days with 50 kmh speed zones and people looking to reduce their fuel bill.
If I was going to spend 40K on a family car, and the choice was a Commodore or say a Mazda 6 or CX-5, I'd go for the Mazda.
Having said that, I'm glad that Holden are still producing cars in Australia and there is a market for them, albeit declining.
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Wouldn't an equivilently priced Euro car be significantly smaller though? I mean depreciation on most euro cars is horrendous, I agree on Japanese but for the price of a base model Commodore you can't get a base model Passat, 5 series, or whatever the Merc Sedan is... Also Euro cars resale drops massively after the warranty period.

Also my old man has a Mazda 6 "Luxury" Wagon, to be honest I'd take the Commodore, ride is far better on longer trips, seats are way more comfortable, no rear air conditioning in the Mazda either...
 
zimma said:
Wouldn't an equivilently priced Euro car be significantly smaller though? I mean depreciation on most euro cars is horrendous, I agree on Japanese but for the price of a base model Commodore you can't get a base model Passat, 5 series, or whatever the Merc Sedan is... Also Euro cars resale drops massively after the warranty period.

Also my old man has a Mazda 6 "Luxury" Wagon, to be honest I'd take the Commodore, ride is far better on longer trips, seats are way more comfortable, no rear air conditioning in the Mazda either...
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OK - for about the same price as a base model HSV you will get a fairly well optioned, but small engined, 3 series BMW or Merc, which are obviously a lot smaller.

And having had a Mazda 6 (wifes car) I would probably prefer a Commodore wagon - however the Mazda's are cheaper. Plus even the base Commodore or Falcon have better torque and power for trips.

I've had the Euro cars - sure they are nice but when you take into account value for money and servicing costs - unless you've got money to spare I can't see the point.

That's why I've gone the HSV for me and the Mazda CX9 for the wife and kids - plenty of space for all of their shit and good enough to drive.
 

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Waynesworld said:
OK - for about the same price as a base model HSV you will get a fairly well optioned, but small engined, 3 series BMW or Merc, which are obviously a lot smaller.

And having had a Mazda 6 (wifes car) I would probably prefer a Commodore wagon - however the Mazda's are cheaper. Plus even the base Commodore or Falcon have better torque and power for trips.

I've had the Euro cars - sure they are nice but when you take into account value for money and servicing costs - unless you've got money to spare I can't see the point.

That's why I've gone the HSV for me and the Mazda CX9 for the wife and kids - plenty of space for all of their shit and good enough to drive.
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I was referring to say a Berlina, most families don't buy a HSV or even the v8 specs. But yeah basically in terms of family car you will pay a fair bit more for Euro unless you downsize which well isn't so suited for younger families.

Wasn't sure on the price of the Mazda 6 to be honest, they've all been company cars so seen pretty much all entry level big cars in my Family between Dad and Brothers. Mazda has the best looking interior but god awful seats, Commodore had the best seats but interior looked a tad budget, Falcon was so so, Camry was by far the WORST of the bunch, terrible ride, terrible seats absolutely no redeeming factors.

Yeah servicing on a Euro is fine if you have nothing major go wrong and get it serviced at somewhere other than the dealer, but seeing the prices for some VW parts just about makes me choke at times.

Fair enough, I think buying both a HSV and CX9 is out of the average families budget though. Most common I seem to see lately is the Captiva actually.
 
Caesar said:
Space is the issue with a lot of alternatives. I remember heading off on family holidays as a kid, and dad meticulously packing the Ford's boot full to bursting. Can't imagine getting ski or camping gear for a family of four to go away for a week into a Mazda 6.

Most of the time you don't need a big car, but I think a lot of people feel it's nice to have the space on the odd occasion you need it.
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My sister with 3 kids bought a brand new CX-9 last month for under 40K on the road. It's the biggest car they make, we're talking Toorak tractor. I would have bought that over a Commodore or Ford family car every day of the week for the reasons I mentioned; better build quality, re-sale value, etc. And of course it's bigger so there is ample space.
 
zimma said:
Fair enough, I think buying both a HSV and CX9 is out of the average families budget though. Most common I seem to see lately is the Captiva actually.
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I have a couple of mates who work at Holden HQ in Fishermans Bend, and their advice on the Captiva was
DO NOT WANT
Same for the Cruze.
 
Rod Stroker said:
I have a couple of mates who work at Holden HQ in Fishermans Bend, and their advice on the Captiva was
DO NOT WANT
Same for the Cruze.
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Of course you wouldn't buy them they are essentially Korean. The first gen Cruise was simply horrendous and OMG the Barina! Didn't it get a 2 star safety rating when it came out with it's new model?
 
Rod Stroker said:
My sister with 3 kids bought a brand new CX-9 last month for under 40K on the road. It's the biggest car they make, we're talking Toorak tractor. I would have bought that over a Commodore or Ford family car every day of the week for the reasons I mentioned; better build quality, re-sale value, etc. And of course it's bigger so there is ample space.
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A base model CX-9 is RRP $44,000. A base model Falcon is RRP $27,000.
 

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