Vic vs NSW

[RogerC]

Anyone noticing the job we're doing on them? Inness 7/19. You beauty. Latest score I have is NSW all out 109, Vics 1/28.

 

[RogerC]

Oops, spoke too soon. I apologise to Victoria for putting the mozz on them. 3/30

 

[Spogs]

Make that 4/30.

 

[Bomber Spirit]

I'm pissed off. I'd booked an RDO from work today and was going to go to the SCG, but it was raining cats & dogs at Northmead today so I guessed they wouldn't get any play in today and therefore stayed home - then realised at lunch time that they'd been playing.
Weather's obviously better in the eastern suburbs today, maybe the Blues needed my presence to make it rain.

 

[kretchy]

Make it 5/65 and in danger of missing first innings points with Elliott gone now.

 

[BT]

Must be a green top, not that that's made any difference to the Vics this season . I'm tipping we'll be bowled out for less than 200.

 

[Fat Red]

5/104, Moss to the rescue once again. With a bit of help from Berry and Macgill (2 overs for 23)

 

[Ruddeger]

Berry 47 not out, obviously can't bat and should be dropped for Peter Roach straight way.

The best wicketkeeper in the last 20 years to have not played a test, and should be given every opportunity to prove himself before being retired.

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

its good too see macgill putting his self interests 2nd and batting 1st
cheers!

 

[Santos L Helper]

Originally posted by Ruddeger
Berry 47 not out, obviously can't bat and should be dropped for Peter Roach straight way.

The best wicketkeeper in the last 20 years to have not played a test, and should be given every opportunity to prove himself before being retired.

We've been through this before and your statement is crap. Prove himself.....pfft, he can't bat. All the test nations now admit that wicketkeepers must be able to bat well in conjunction with keeping skills. Berry makes a score and all you guyts come out the woodwork, well by the time he bats again you can all crawl back into it.

 

[Mr. Blonde]

Originally posted by Ruddeger
Berry 47 not out, obviously can't bat and should be dropped for Peter Roach straight way.

The best wicketkeeper in the last 20 years to have not played a test, and should be given every opportunity to prove himself before being retired.

As far as pure wicketkeeping skill goes, Darren Berry would have to be one of the all time greats. I have never seen him drop a catch or miss a stumping in all his years of playing.

I saw him make a leg side stumping off Paul Reiffel one day. So not only was he standing up to the stumps to a quick bowler, not only did he cleanly take the ball down leg side, he had the ability to make the stumping. I can still remember the batsman standing there wondering how he got out.

If his batting was a bit stronger and more consistent, he would've been in the test team years ago.

 

[Darky]

So if Berry being on the verge of a 50 means he can bat, what do all his other scores for the season mean?

Great keeper, #9-10 batsman.

 

[Ruddeger]

How many poor scores did Mark Taylor have before he came out with 334 against Pakistan.

Darren Berry's highest first-class score is higher than Brad Hodge's.

 

[JUBJUB]

Originally posted by Darky


Great keeper, #9-10 batsman.

Exactly Darky.
Before yesterday,he'd probably only made 49 runs for the whole season.

 

[Darky]

Originally posted by Ruddeger
How many poor scores did Mark Taylor have before he came out with 334 against Pakistan.

Darren Berry's highest first-class score is higher than Brad Hodge's.

Taylor averaged 43 across a 10 year Test career, playing in all types of conditions against all countries except Zimbabwe - enough innings to give a realistic and accurate picture of his ability.
Not one of the all time greats, but a very good batsman whose good form outweighed his bad form over the length of his career.

Berry has averaged around 20 in a 12 year DOMESTIC career - enough innings to suggest he is a sub-standard batsman as far as most 'keepers go. Victoria has had arguably the strongest domestic attack for the last 5 years, so Berry also benefits from not having to face them.

If his highest F/C score is higher than Brad Hodge's, it doesn't say much about Hodge's ability to make big scores either. Probably liken him to Mark Waugh - looks good, but does so while not making enough runs.

 

[The_Flying_Egg]

Berry makes up for any batting flaws by being the best keeper in the country. And the most succesful Shield keeper of all time

 

[JUBJUB]

Berry made 148.
Now he can go back to being a useless batter

He'll retire at the end of the season.

 

[The_Flying_Egg]

Originally posted by JUBJUB
Berry made 148.
Now he can go back to being a useless batter

He'll retire at the end of the season.

I don't think he'll retire. And he is not a useless batter. Most keepers are better, but he gas still been a handy number 7 for Victoria. When he does make runs its usually when their needed the most. And he makes a mistake behind the stumps about once a year

Once again, everybody writes him off and he pulls out a great performance with the gloves and bat

 

[Santos L Helper]

Originally posted by The_Flying_Egg
Berry makes up for any batting flaws by being the best keeper in the country. And the most succesful Shield keeper of all time

You want to state this sort of stuff, you should check it out first. Here's a list of the top four wicketkeepers in 'shield history' for total dismissals and batting averages.

Seccombe: 4.9/game with a batting average of 24.83
Gilchrist: 4.4 and 38.48
Marsh: 4.1 and 33.93
Berry 3.9 and 20.46
(minimum 50 games)

So, he's good but not the best ever and in fact he's well behind.

 

[wagstaff]

Originally posted by Santos L Helper


You want to state this sort of stuff, you should check it out first. Here's a list of the top four wicketkeepers in 'shield history' for total dismissals and batting averages.

Seccombe: 4.9/game with a batting average of 24.83
Gilchrist: 4.4 and 38.48
Marsh: 4.1 and 33.93
Berry 3.9 and 20.46
(minimum 50 games)

So, he's good but not the best ever and in fact he's well behind.

That Seccombe is a better wk then Berry because he averages more dismissals a match then him is completely wrong. You can only take what is offered to you and Seccombe's high dismissal rate is created by the pace battery who have conjured up so many wickets in recent times, especially at the 'Gabba.

The guide to a good wicket keeper is a)how few chances they miss over their careers and b) how many chances they take that other wicket keepers would not have been good enough to take.

 

[Santos L Helper]

Originally posted by wagstaff


That Seccombe is a better wk then Berry because he averages more dismissals a match then him is completely wrong. You can only take what is offered to you and Seccombe's high dismissal rate is created by the pace battery who have conjured up so many wickets in recent times, especially at the 'Gabba.

The guide to a good wicket keeper is a)how few chances they miss over their careers and b) how many chances they take that other wicket keepers would not have been good enough to take.

I agree to an extent, but Seccombe is a good keeper and, in my opinion, equal to Berry.

 

[Darky]

I don't think Berry will retire, but with Victoria openly pursuing a youth policy, he may be pushed.

In the same way that Ian Healy was slowly nudged aside, the selectors may opt for a keeper who can make an extra 15-20 runs per innings with the bat, such as Peter Roach. Roach is only about 27, so it's not really a short-term fix either - probably a 5 year prospect.

Like JUB JUB said, back to 5s and 10s for Berry now that he's played his one good knock for the year.

 

[Darky]

Originally posted by wagstaff


That Seccombe is a better wk then Berry because he averages more dismissals a match then him is completely wrong. You can only take what is offered to you and Seccombe's high dismissal rate is created by the pace battery who have conjured up so many wickets in recent times, especially at the 'Gabba.

The guide to a good wicket keeper is a)how few chances they miss over their careers and b) how many chances they take that other wicket keepers would not have been good enough to take.

Agree completely. You can only catch what comes your way.

Byes conceded would be an interesting stat, but I'm yet to find a reference for domestic career stats on this point. I'm aware Berry holds the record for most runs scored by the opposition, without a bye being conceded... but he was playing for SA at the time, so there was never much that the opposition batsmen didn't belt to the boundary.

 

[The_Flying_Egg]

Originally posted by Santos L Helper


You want to state this sort of stuff, you should check it out first. Here's a list of the top four wicketkeepers in 'shield history' for total dismissals and batting averages.

Seccombe: 4.9/game with a batting average of 24.83
Gilchrist: 4.4 and 38.48
Marsh: 4.1 and 33.93
Berry 3.9 and 20.46
(minimum 50 games)

So, he's good but not the best ever and in fact he's well behind.

I have checked out. He has the most Sheffield Shield dismissals of all time and is increasing his lead


Berry has been stuck in miserable Victorian teams for the majority of his career, busily standing up to the wickets to bowlers like Paul Reiffell and Shane Warne. In that time he has got himself the most dismissals in Sheffield Shield ever. Surely thats a reasonable indication he's not a bad player. He also has 11 dismissals in a match twice. Seecombe averages 4 more runs, which Berry more than makes up for with his keeping. And he's been doing it for much longer

And your guide to how good a keeper is spot on. Berry misses a chance extremely rarely and takes catches that very, very few other keepers in the world would take. Behind the stumps he is without par, in this country, possibly in the world. And he is the best at stumpings in the world. He's also a leader and he makes runs when his team needs him.

In many eras he would be in the test side. Remember Tim Zoehrer? Berry is a champion cricketer. I think he should have been captain when we got rid of Jones, coz for a while there he seemed to be just about the only Victoria who gave a damn. He has done more for the Bushrangers than any other Victorian playing today

 

[dogboy23]

He is absolutely brilliant behind the stumps and is the best keeper in Australia even at his age.So many times he has pulled off miraculous stumpings off fast bowlers and again this week he has taken 2 screamers.