WAFL Grand Final

[Voice of Reason]

Originally posted by eagleskickass
(don't shoot me down, i am only saying my opinion and as wrong as it may be here it is)

I can't really comment because i am a product of the Host Agreement, it was the ONLY reason i started following East Perth i am sad to admit. But i will say a few things.
IMO its not East Perth's fault for doing as they do, its the WAFC. If you run a business and u get the chance to become immensely successful and non of your opponents get that chance, you take it, as East Perth have done. The WAFC should NEVER have let it heppen(the host club arrangement). Host Clubs work in the VFL because a LOT of the teams are able to get the benefits due to the large number of melbourne AFL sides.

When the host club arrangement started i was all for it because i saw it as a way of bettering the eagles. At that time i ONLY cared how the Eagles went, as i have grown up with the AFL and West Coast, so anything that would better them was good to me. Since then i have watched East Perth more and more, and have payed a lot more of an interest in the WAFL and it is damaging the WAFL. (i will just stop here and start something else lol)

The WAFL is you could say damaged goods. The AFL have screwed it over for 15 years now almost, and i can't see the WAFl getting back to what it was ever, or sustaining itself with its current direction. I want it to stay as it is, but with 1 less team (Peel MUST! stay) What i would like to see but would never happen and totally goes against the History is a WAFL, that is a WESTERN Australian Football league, not a Perth Football League as it is now, but this won't happen.

Anyway back to my last topic(i am losing myself fast) I have watched the WAFL fall further and further with the East Perth thing. As i said i only started following them because of the Eagles(and now i am probably only following them as they have had success...but i guess everyone has stories of why they follow their team and East perth is now Well and truly the team i Love in the WAFL) and now even though they are no longer host club etc, they are still gaining benefits from the arrangement with the players they managed to get easier. BUT i also don't think it is as bad as some think, probably somewhere in between

Ok i am going to stop now and let my comments be torn apart as i probably don't know what the heck i am talking about. All i know is the WAFC has problems, most of which it has caused recently, but overall most caused by the AFL. One thing i know is i will certaintly follow the WAFL more now than i used to, and when i go to Perth i will follow it at the games. I wish i could have been like my Dad and experienced the WAFL in its hay day, as he did following Subiaco each weekend

Look forward to your comments and me trying to reply and getting lost again

No shooting required. I agree with you.

The one benefit of the host club arrangement is that it got East Perth (and thus indirectly the WAFL) some new, mostly young, fans like you, EKA, and (sadly) my eldest daughter.

Whether these sorts of fans stick when East Perth go down (as eventually they must, I hope) is debateable. As I have hinted, the timing of EP's demise may depend on certain wealthy backers' continued business success.

 

[Uncle Tony]

Originally posted by eagleskickass
(don't shoot me down, i am only saying my opinion and as wrong as it may be here it is)

I can't really comment because i am a product of the Host Agreement, it was the ONLY reason i started following East Perth i am sad to admit. But i will say a few things.
IMO its not East Perth's fault for doing as they do, its the WAFC. If you run a business and u get the chance to become immensely successful and non of your opponents get that chance, you take it, as East Perth have done. The WAFC should NEVER have let it heppen(the host club arrangement). Host Clubs work in the VFL because a LOT of the teams are able to get the benefits due to the large number of melbourne AFL sides.

When the host club arrangement started i was all for it because i saw it as a way of bettering the eagles. At that time i ONLY cared how the Eagles went, as i have grown up with the AFL and West Coast, so anything that would better them was good to me. Since then i have watched East Perth more and more, and have payed a lot more of an interest in the WAFL and it is damaging the WAFL. (i will just stop here and start something else lol)

The WAFL is you could say damaged goods. The AFL have screwed it over for 15 years now almost, and i can't see the WAFl getting back to what it was ever, or sustaining itself with its current direction. I want it to stay as it is, but with 1 less team (Peel MUST! stay) What i would like to see but would never happen and totally goes against the History is a WAFL, that is a WESTERN Australian Football league, not a Perth Football League as it is now, but this won't happen.

Anyway back to my last topic(i am losing myself fast) I have watched the WAFL fall further and further with the East Perth thing. As i said i only started following them because of the Eagles(and now i am probably only following them as they have had success...but i guess everyone has stories of why they follow their team and East perth is now Well and truly the team i Love in the WAFL) and now even though they are no longer host club etc, they are still gaining benefits from the arrangement with the players they managed to get easier. BUT i also don't think it is as bad as some think, probably somewhere in between

Ok i am going to stop now and let my comments be torn apart as i probably don't know what the heck i am talking about. All i know is the WAFC has problems, most of which it has caused recently, but overall most caused by the AFL. One thing i know is i will certaintly follow the WAFL more now than i used to, and when i go to Perth i will follow it at the games. I wish i could have been like my Dad and experienced the WAFL in its hay day, as he did following Subiaco each weekend

Look forward to your comments and me trying to reply and getting lost again

Pretty much spot on. Well said eka.

Sometimes you get the good luck that your team is backed by a 'wealthy businessman' but all clubs could eventually get that if not currently or in the past - it's cyclical. If you had the money to spend, wouldn't you support your favorite team. Go back 10 - 15 years and we were struggling too. Would anyone argue strongly that Essendon's or Brissie's dominance harms the AFL?

No doubt East Perth will slide (hopefully not too soon) down the ladder but we took advantage of the system (not of our making and we weren't the only club to stick our hands up for it) when we could.

With in the next 10 years I'm sure West Perth will be very strong thanks to the foresight of those that chose to move to Joondalup. Subi have been advantaged in the past by having Subi Oval as bases of the WAFC and The Eagles. East Freo have a recruitment zone 50% larger than The Royals going on juniors registered. My point is that there are aleady inequities built into the system (some by luck and some from good planning) and that can't be changed easily unless the league is abolished and started over with new clubs and boundaries. But who wants to see that.

BTW, Peel must stay.

Being a feeder league, I think the WAFL is doing OK.

Somebody tell me to shut up... please

 

[eagleskickass]

So i DO have some idea?
YAY hehehe

There is more to be said but i got lost with what i said above so will leave it for later in this LONG off-season.

And Believe me VOR i aint leaving the Royals even when they do go down. They've given me 3 premierships to start with, how can i desert them when they fall? Its what being a supporter is about as u would know, through the good times AND the bad

not what bandwagoners understand...

 

[vicki]

VOR : A few relevant points.


1. At the beginning of last year, the WAFL clubs went into a draft to choose the interstate Eagles they wanted. West Perth CHOSE Wirra, Callum and Andrew. If you did not get much service from them, then tough - it was your choice. Perhaps East Perth did it better?

2. You point out that the Eagles are not comparable to the Dorkers - was it East Perth's fault that they happened to be associated with the superior club? Perhaps East Perth did it better?

3. Claremont were not committed to the Host Club. Perhaps East Perth did it better ?

4.East Perth do not "poach" players. Players CHOOSE to transfer to a better run, more professional club. Perhaps East Perth do it better?


5. It is not, and will never be, an even competition. East Fremantle have a much better Junior Zone, Claremont have access to all the private schools, Subiaco have huge financial rewards by being based at Subiaco Oval. Perhaps East Perth do it better?

6. Neither you nor I know the true financial arrangements at our respective clubs. It is very easy to say "East Perth have wealthy supporters who enable them to lure players" just like it is easy to say " Subiaco rort the salary cap".


You and I will never agree on this issue. To me, you are simply jealous of the success of my club. To you, I am biased in regards to my club.

Perhaps, we should just agree to disagree as neither of us will be persuaded by the other.

GO THE ROYALS !!!

 

[hassa]

Vicki

You were very correct about East Perth choosing their AFL players and doing it "better". They basically threatened legal action against the WAFC unless they received the players they wanted - being Tuckey and Judd.

Have a look at the thread I have created regarding Peel then people can make a valid judgement whether or not they should stay in the WAFL.

 

[Voice of Reason]

Originally posted by vicki
VOR : A few relevant points.


1. At the beginning of last year, the WAFL clubs went into a draft to choose the interstate Eagles they wanted. West Perth CHOSE Wirra, Callum and Andrew. If you did not get much service from them, then tough - it was your choice. Perhaps East Perth did it better?

2. You point out that the Eagles are not comparable to the Dorkers - was it East Perth's fault that they happened to be associated with the superior club? Perhaps East Perth did it better?

3. Claremont were not committed to the Host Club. Perhaps East Perth did it better ?

4.East Perth do not "poach" players. Players CHOOSE to transfer to a better run, more professional club. Perhaps East Perth do it better?


5. It is not, and will never be, an even competition. East Fremantle have a much better Junior Zone, Claremont have access to all the private schools, Subiaco have huge financial rewards by being based at Subiaco Oval. Perhaps East Perth do it better?

6. Neither you nor I know the true financial arrangements at our respective clubs. It is very easy to say "East Perth have wealthy supporters who enable them to lure players" just like it is easy to say " Subiaco rort the salary cap".


You and I will never agree on this issue. To me, you are simply jealous of the success of my club. To you, I am biased in regards to my club.

Perhaps, we should just agree to disagree as neither of us will be persuaded by the other.

GO THE ROYALS !!!

1. It was a reverse draft with an element of choice, but I am not arguing with you about the reverse draft. I have never said that EP won the flag this year because of current Eagles players. Not once, so your point does not address anything I've said.
2. Again, I was responding to a false analogy you put up.
3. Agreed - Claremont botched it. EP did it better
4. Misleading and deceptive remark and, from a West Perth perspective, total bollocks. You poached Paul Symmons for better money and Troy Wilson for the chance of an Eagles place when the host club arrangement was in place
5. There's degrees of evenness. Making the most of your zone is a skill, building and maintaining relationships with schools is a skill. Having 3 times the money to spend on a team because of wealthy backers or money diverted from a different social club is evading the salary cap.
6. I agree that it is widely suggested in WAFL circles that Subiaco rort the salary cap (Ambrose alone would cost....). That does not invalidate anything I've said about East Perth and you know it. Since defamation laws exist, I'll shut up now.

I hope that the Howson house of cards falls over or (shortly before hell freezes over) the WAFC grows some balls and actually polices the non-existent system that is designed to make it an even slightly even playing field.

Alternatively, if I win lotto, I'll fix your mob up with my own money.

We'll agree to disagree.

 

[Uncle Steve]

Some questions for you WAFLites:

I believe that the "host club" arrangement of aligning a WAFL club with an AFL club has been tried several times in the WAFL. Wasn't Claremont once previously aligned with the Eagles? I had thought that the host club arrangement had been tried twice before, and each time it was dismantled after a year or two because it was deemed to have not worked. I have to ask: If it didn't work the first time, why was it tried again? Why does the WAFL oscillate so much between having host clubs, and not having host clubs? Can any of you enlighten me with the history of the host-club system in Perth?

TIA

 

[vicki]

Uncle Steve - The "host club" concept was introduced in 1999 because both the Eagles and Dockers wanted their players to be together in one team when not required for AFL duties. They felt it was better for the development of the players to play with each other under one system than to be spread out amongst all the WAFL clubs. Claremont were the Eagles "host club" and South Fremantle the Dockers. Claremont members and supporters were not happy with the arrangement and they lost a few players and failed to make the finals. South Fremantle made the Grand Final but were beaten by the Garlicmunchers ( I.e West Perth).

At the end of 1999, the "host club" was abandoned and an "aligned club" concept introduced, for a period of three years.The "aligned club" would have access to only interstate players on both the Eagles and Dockers lists - any WA born players were to stay with their original WAFL club. East Perth were the Eagles "aligned club" and South Fremantle remained with the Dorkers.
In the 2000 Grand Final, East Perth beat East Fremantle by around 7 goals.
In 2001, the "aligned club" system remained and East Perth (the Eagles club) beat South Fremantle (the Dockers club) by 12 goals.

At the end of 2001, the other WAFL clubs called for the alignment to be ended, even though there was still a year on the contract remaining, because they felt East Perth were too strong. The debate raged over the summer with East Perth threatening legal action. After around four months of wrangling the alignment was officially ended and the Eagles and Dockers interstate players were allocated to two groups of clubs.
East Perth,West Perth,Subiaco and Swan Districts = Eagles
SF, EF, Perth,Claremont and Peel = Dockers.
A reverse draft was used to decide where players went. As a compensation for losing the alignment ( even though it still had a year to run) East Perth had first pick. East Perth chose to keep Jeremy Humm ( a Premiership player) Brent Tuckey ( a rookie who had agreed to play for East Perth before being rookie listed by the Eagles) and Chris Judd. East Perth, as did everyone else in the country, knew very well that Judd would play with the Eagles not East Perth.
Because it took so long for the alignment issue to be sorted out, East Perth were seriously disadvantaged as far as recruiting players went.
In the 2002 Grand Final, East Perth beat West Perth by 10 goals.
In three years, East Perth had beaten the previous three premiers.

That is the story.

 

[Voice of Reason]

Originally posted by vicki
Uncle Steve - The "host club" concept was introduced in 1999 because both the Eagles and Dockers wanted their players to be together in one team when not required for AFL duties. They felt it was better for the development of the players to play with each other under one system than to be spread out amongst all the WAFL clubs. Claremont were the Eagles "host club" and South Fremantle the Dockers. Claremont members and supporters were not happy with the arrangement and they lost a few players and failed to make the finals. South Fremantle made the Grand Final but were beaten by the Garlicmunchers ( I.e West Perth).

At the end of 1999, the "host club" was abandoned and an "aligned club" concept introduced, for a period of three years.The "aligned club" would have access to only interstate players on both the Eagles and Dockers lists - any WA born players were to stay with their original WAFL club. East Perth were the Eagles "aligned club" and South Fremantle remained with the Dorkers.
In the 2000 Grand Final, East Perth beat East Fremantle by around 7 goals.
In 2001, the "aligned club" system remained and East Perth (the Eagles club) beat South Fremantle (the Dockers club) by 12 goals.

At the end of 2001, the other WAFL clubs called for the alignment to be ended, even though there was still a year on the contract remaining, because they felt East Perth were too strong. The debate raged over the summer with East Perth threatening legal action. After around four months of wrangling the alignment was officially ended and the Eagles and Dockers interstate players were allocated to two groups of clubs.
East Perth,West Perth,Subiaco and Swan Districts = Eagles
SF, EF, Perth,Claremont and Peel = Dockers.
A reverse draft was used to decide where players went. As a compensation for losing the alignment ( even though it still had a year to run) East Perth had first pick. East Perth chose to keep Jeremy Humm ( a Premiership player) Brent Tuckey ( a rookie who had agreed to play for East Perth before being rookie listed by the Eagles) and Chris Judd. East Perth, as did everyone else in the country, knew very well that Judd would play with the Eagles not East Perth.
Because it took so long for the alignment issue to be sorted out, East Perth were seriously disadvantaged as far as recruiting players went.
In the 2002 Grand Final, East Perth beat West Perth by 10 goals.
In three years, East Perth had beaten the previous three premiers.

That is the story.

That is indeed the story, written from an East Perth perpective.

During that time, a few other things happened, and time does not permit my full version, but, just on the "only interstate" remark:
- WA boy Troy Wilson gave a Premiership year's service to East Perth to get into the Eagles set-up (successfully and good luck to him for it), having been poached from West Perth
- West Perth and West Coast Eagle Paul Symmons, after being delisted by the AFL club, went to East Perth for significant financial inducement (buying himself 2 WAFL Premiership medallions and lifetime enmity from the fans of the club that stuck by him all the way through
- Peel Thunder's best player by far at the time, Dean Buszan, was taken by EP when on the eagles rookie list. Although he never made it to the AFL list, his impact at WAFL level was substantial.

Interstate only - cobblers.

Call it host, call it aligned, EP had by far the strongest side in the WAFL over the period. Only serial salary cap evaders and social club winners Subiaco could realistically challenge EP this year and I suppose us paupers from WP should be grateful they were so totally smashed by EP in the Final.

And, frankly Uncle Steve, I don't think the host/aligned thing has helped the Eagles much anyway.

As for the WAFL, this debate makes me wonder why I bother.

 

[vicki]

VOR: Why do you have a problem with people/players going to another job/club for more money? I'm sure if you were offered a better paying position with a more successful company/club you would take it. Players can't be castigated for wanting to improve their financial situation.

As for poaching - West Perth poached probably East Perth's greatest ever player (one Polly Farmer) and brought themselves a Premiership. Short memories it seems!

Dean Buszan was transferred to East Perth under RULES which all the WAFL clubs agreed to re rookie listed players. At the end of 2001, he was to go back to Peel when the alignment ended. Dean asked for a transfer and said he would go to SA if Peel did not transfer him. East Perth negotiated a transfer - and paid a transfer fee.

Maybe West Perth would not be paupers if they had stayed at their traditional home - instead of taking the bucks offered by the WAFC and moving to Joondalup. It would seem they didn't research the move correctly - they lost many of their traditional supporters and also have had to pay over the odds to use the Arena. (Which by the way is second only to Peel as the most spectator unfriendly venue to play footy).

 

[sydjackson]

Re: Voice of Reasons comment:
While I'm on, I'd like to personally thank David Wirrpunda (0 games), Callum Chambers (1 game) and Andrew Williams (about 4 games, including the most disgraceful performance by an AFL player I have seen in the WAFL in our first final against East Frementle) for their contribution to West Perth's GF-reaching season this year.

This all sounds like extremely sour grapes! Which game did Chambers play for the falcardies?

 

[Voice of Reason]

Originally posted by sydjackson
Re: Voice of Reasons comment:
While I'm on, I'd like to personally thank David Wirrpunda (0 games), Callum Chambers (1 game) and Andrew Williams (about 4 games, including the most disgraceful performance by an AFL player I have seen in the WAFL in our first final against East Frementle) for their contribution to West Perth's GF-reaching season this year.

This all sounds like extremely sour grapes! Which game did Chambers play for the falcardies?

Welcome Syd.

Not really sour grapes, I was grateful to get as far as we did.

My point (which you clearly missed) was that the Eagles players had NO effect on our season. I can't remember which game Callum played - it was a H&A game as he was coming back from injury, but I can't remember which.

 

[Voice of Reason]

Originally posted by vicki
VOR: Why do you have a problem with people/players going to another job/club for more money? I'm sure if you were offered a better paying position with a more successful company/club you would take it. Players can't be castigated for wanting to improve their financial situation.

As for poaching - West Perth poached probably East Perth's greatest ever player (one Polly Farmer) and brought themselves a Premiership. Short memories it seems!

Dean Buszan was transferred to East Perth under RULES which all the WAFL clubs agreed to re rookie listed players. At the end of 2001, he was to go back to Peel when the alignment ended. Dean asked for a transfer and said he would go to SA if Peel did not transfer him. East Perth negotiated a transfer - and paid a transfer fee.

Maybe West Perth would not be paupers if they had stayed at their traditional home - instead of taking the bucks offered by the WAFC and moving to Joondalup. It would seem they didn't research the move correctly - they lost many of their traditional supporters and also have had to pay over the odds to use the Arena. (Which by the way is second only to Peel as the most spectator unfriendly venue to play footy).

vivki

You can't answer my points can you?

"Football's just a business" - the rich clubs always say that in any sport, until they get greedy and go bankrupt.

In answer to your question, no, I don't always take the job with more money. Money isn't everything. Once you have a certain level of income, you don't have to choose money first, other things become important (the more you have, the less important it is eg if you're on $30k an offer for $40k is a big deal, but an extra $10k wouldn't be enough to change from $100k to $110k if the new job wasn't as much fun).

But, as with many of your points, it is irrelevent to the argument because I'm not in an industry with a salary cap! Nor am I in a sporting competition where there's supposed to be a level playing field.

Farmer - I wasn't here so don't know, but if you're right and it was pure financial poaching outside the salary cap, then I agree (but I notice that you usually leave a key fact or two out, so you'd better not have an omission up your sleeve).

As for Buszcan, how you can say what you've said with a straight face I just don't know.

Joondalup - hard to say. I don't think we've lost many of our traditional supporters. I don't agree that Joondalup is any worse than the traditional grounds for watching footy (unless it's a big crowd in the rain, but that would be true of most places. Personally I hate WAFL at Subiaco - too small a crowd for the venue. As with Peel, the WAFC took the decision to take football to the people and that's being debated on another thread.

As for financial incentives to move, well at least they're transparent.

 

[vicki]

salary cap

VOR: This is becoming very tedious - IF you have ANY proof that East Perth have gone over the salary cap - then put it up! It is very easy to make such statements without any proof. As a matter of interest - Troy Wilson and Paul Symmons both were folllowers of the Royals in their youth. In fact, East Perth was the first WAFL club that Troy approached. Maybe they were both happy to finally play for the club they supported as kids. As for saying that Troy had to go via East Perth to get drafted by the Eagles - you don't have much faith in either the Eagles or Willo's ability if you seriously think that is the case.

Re Dean Buszan - Point out to me one fact that was not true. You cannot because the facts are there for all to see.

Polly Farmer: Was appointed to coach the Garlicmunchers - he was an East Perth player originally. Fact. By your definition any player who goes from one club to another is "poached". In that not so?

Joondalup: I personally know former Garlic members who did not renew their memberships when the move was made to Joondalup. You ask any WAFL supporter what they think of Joondalup and I'm sure you will get the same response. There is no perimeter seating, no toilet facilities on the outer side of the ground and it takes longer to get out of than anywhere else. One road in/out is just a joke.

 

[Voice of Reason]

Re: salary cap

Originally posted by vicki
VOR: This is becoming very tedious - IF you have ANY proof that East Perth have gone over the salary cap - then put it up! It is very easy to make such statements without any proof. As a matter of interest - Troy Wilson and Paul Symmons both were folllowers of the Royals in their youth. In fact, East Perth was the first WAFL club that Troy approached. Maybe they were both happy to finally play for the club they supported as kids. As for saying that Troy had to go via East Perth to get drafted by the Eagles - you don't have much faith in either the Eagles or Willo's ability if you seriously think that is the case.

Re Dean Buszan - Point out to me one fact that was not true. You cannot because the facts are there for all to see.

Polly Farmer: Was appointed to coach the Garlicmunchers - he was an East Perth player originally. Fact. By your definition any player who goes from one club to another is "poached". In that not so?

Joondalup: I personally know former Garlic members who did not renew their memberships when the move was made to Joondalup. You ask any WAFL supporter what they think of Joondalup and I'm sure you will get the same response. There is no perimeter seating, no toilet facilities on the outer side of the ground and it takes longer to get out of than anywhere else. One road in/out is just a joke.

I'm quite enjoying myself. If you're finding it tedious, feel free to stop debating it with me.

If Grant Dorrington did his job properly and audited EP, he would find out how they have got around the salary cap. Take the salary cap, divide it by what you think the EP players are on and make me laugh.

Troy Wilson has publicly stated that he moved to EP for the reason I stated, so it's no secret. FYI (although you know this from the Eagles board) I have every faith in his ability.

Funnily enough, I already knew about the supporting habits of Paul and Troy. So now you're telling me that they agreed to play for EP because of romantic attachment to their youth? Just now it was to better themselves financially? Which is it? Whichever one suits your argument at the time.

Buszcan refused to play for the club that nurtured him. The rule was that he should have gone back to Peel. He didn't. EP exploited the situation. You're the first to criticise Peel for not being competitive and going to Court to stay in the WAFL - what chance do they have if their best player is stolen by EP? We both know the story as it unfolded. Blackmail by any other name.

Farmer was before my time and I don't know. What are you saying here? Was he at EP originally, then to Geelong then back to coach at WP? If so, I don't have a problem with that. If (say) Michael Prior had gone from EP to Essendon and chosen to come back to (say) coach at Swans, that wouldn't be poaching. It rather depends on the circumstances.

While we're on that, just to show that I can sometimes be fair to EP, I didn't have a problem with Ryan Turnbull objecting to being sent back to Claremont (his original WAFL club) and going to EP instead. In that instance, justice was done. Turnbull had played most of his footy with EP (including THAT WAFL GF) and deserved to end up back at EP (and gave a very passionate pro-EP speech at the Eagles B&F this year BTW).

So, no, it is NOT a fact that by my definition any player who goes from one club to another is "poached" - you are misstating my position there.

So some members didn't renew when the club moved to Joondalup. That's going to happen. Some new members will join because they moved to Joondalup. And some old members will come back later, even though it's moved to Joondalup. Life moves on.

Frankly the WAFL facilities at all grounds are pretty damn ordinary by modern standards, but I don't think Joondalup is much worse than anywhere else. The one road in/out is a bit of a pain I agree (and pretty ordinary design by the Council for a purpose-built stadium). East Fremantle, Swans and Claremont have similar no facilities on the outer side of the ground (bar or toilet). There's usually room in that funny little stand to the left of the members if you want to sit out of the sun and it's a short walk to the facilities from there.

Have a nice day. Go Falcons/Cardinals/Garlicmunchers/West Perth!

 

[wellsy]

Re: Re: salary cap

Originally posted by Voice of Reason
Buszcan refused to play for the club that nurtured him. The rule was that he should have gone back to Peel. He didn't. EP exploited the situation. You're the first to criticise Peel for not being competitive and going to Court to stay in the WAFL - what chance do they have if their best player is stolen by EP? We both know the story as it unfolded. Blackmail by any other name.

It is like working at a place you dont want to work at. Should one be forced to work in a workplace where he does not want to be?In short..no.

He loves the club and the people at the club and yes we did take advantage of the situation cause he wanted to play for us. Just like one Richard Taylor is going to be playing for East Perth this year. He came to us seeking to play for us.

 

[mud n blood]

This great ! Finally some passionate debate around the WAFL ..... instead of it being limited to the SANFL.


Now I just gotta find some more Qld-ers to debate me on some issues in the AFLQ.

Any scummy Morningside or Southport fans reading this ? As a Coorparoo(rip)-fan I gots some bones to pick

 

[wellsy]

Your Queensland side that you sent over here this year didnt do too well

A couple of good fast players there but i forgot their names.