2nds WAFL/WAFL Reserves Thread 2013

[ndot]

I wonder how Kerr was around the ground. For me that's the big question.

yeah, like we really need a midfielder who dominates the contests and kicks multiple goals.

the important thing is how he much distance he runs during the game. that's what's really important.

 

[ndot]

Did Rosa struggle? He hasn't had a good year. No one is talking about him but he is at an interesting point in his career. He needs a massive preseason.

rosa needs a big f*cking DELISTED written next to his name at the end of the year. he's garbage and always has been.

 

[Shupe]

yeah, like we really need a midfielder who dominates the contests and kicks multiple goals.

the important thing is how he much distance he runs during the game. that's what's really important.

Daniel Kerr is not a goal kicking midfielder. Averages no more than 0.6 goals a game in the last 10 years.

rosa needs a big f*cking DELISTED written next to his name at the end of the year. he's garbage and always has been.

Oh, never mind. You clearly don't know what you're talking about.

 

[imright]

Kerr has had huge issues this year making it to contests around the ground and when his opposing midfielder is getting to those contests and creating havoc something had to be done. Whether it is fitness or not is irrelevant (I am happy to believe it was) - Kerr was costing the side badly.
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If the match committee really believe this to be Kerr`s problem then why is Priddis an automatic selection?

 

[Dark Sharks]

If the match committee really believe this to be Kerr`s problem then why is Priddis an automatic selection?

Exactly, which begs the question of who the MC would rather in the team at the moment, Kerr or Priddis

 

[Carbine Chaos]

Priddis is first picked each week, we all know it. The posterboy of the club.

 

[ChampRevesby]

Priddis is first picked each week, we all know it. The posterboy of the club.

He's all over the facebook posters, the media releases and is constancy being talked up. Either we are completely wrong about Priddis or the club is delusional?

 

[Rids]

If the match committee really believe this to be Kerr`s problem then why is Priddis an automatic selection?

You're confusing speed with fitness. Priddis makes it to more contests than any other Eagle player (Masten and maybe Scooter would be the only one that would be even close). There is a misconception that he only ever wins the ball from clearance situations. Priddis actually regularly gets to the feet of contests all around the ground and his high possession rate is often from winning loose balls in these contests as much as it is from clearance situations

 

[ChampRevesby]

You're confusing speed with fitness. Priddis makes it to more contests than any other Eagle player (Masten and maybe Scooter would be the only one that would be even close). There is a misconception that he only ever wins the ball from clearance situations. Priddis actually regularly gets to the feet of contests all around the ground and his high possession rate is often from winning loose balls in these contests as much as it is from clearance situations

I agree, that is his strong game, its what happens next that lets him and the team down. He is a terrible decision maker and jsut does not make space for the outside mids. His kicking is abysmal. He can not hit anything on the run over 30m and is defensive game his questionable. Great tackler, no doubt, but that's when things are close but as soon as the ball is out of that situation he becomes flat footed. To get onto of Priddis all teams have to do is choke the ball and then run off. Before he even knows whats going on the ball is 15m away on a fast break.

 

[Dark Sharks]

You're confusing speed with fitness. Priddis makes it to more contests than any other Eagle player (Masten and maybe Scooter would be the only one that would be even close). There is a misconception that he only ever wins the ball from clearance situations. Priddis actually regularly gets to the feet of contests all around the ground and his high possession rate is often from winning loose balls in these contests as much as it is from clearance situations

He gets to the contest good on him. He should get the brownlow solely for that effort

It's what he DOES at sed contest which i do believe has most people in a huff. Namely 20cm handballs to players already being *******ed by the opposition before they even take possession, and 15m snap kick clearances around the body which generally come back with more interest then my home-loan.

 

[Rids]

I agree, that is his strong game, its what happens next that lets him and the team down. He is a terrible decision maker and jsut does not make space for the outside mids. His kicking is abysmal. He can not hit anything on the run over 30m and is defensive game is questionable. To get onto of Priddis all teams have to do is choke the ball and then run off. Before he even knows whats going on the ball is 15m away on a fast break.

There is very little evidence to back most of those comments up.

Priddis regularly wins the first handball that ends with putting a midfielder into space. This is backed up by the fact that of our mid-fielders Priddis is 2nd only to Shuey in terms of total score involvements (part of an uninterrupted possession chain that end in a score) - that Priddis is often the first in that scoring chain (i.e. winning the contested ball) is an even greater achievement.

I have no issue with his decision making, particularly in congestion - however Priddis does have limitations with his kicking and I think that does impact on the amount of options available to him which certainly limits his effectiveness.

Yep kicking is below AFL standard - not a bad short kick but agree anything over 30 metres seems to place a strain on his kicking accuracy. Thankfully the role Priddis plays means that he very rarely needs to kick.

Priddis seems very aware of his own limitations defensively (ie lack of speed) and plays to them accordingly. For all the talk about how he 'can' get exposed in space - how often do you really see his centre square opponent dashing away from a clearance. Very rarely - in fact he is generally the best of our mids in that regard. Priddis tends to position himself defensive side of the circle and errs towards defensive side of his opponent and he is a very powerful 'inside' tackler meaning that his opponent will generally need to have got a metre on him from the stoppage itself to be any chance to actually find himself away in space. We got exposed as much from 'run-away' clearances yesterday without Priddis in the team as we have all season.

 

[Rids]

He gets to the contest good on him. He should get the brownlow solely for that effort

It's what he DOES at sed contest which i do believe has most people in a huff. Namely 20cm handballs to players already being *******ed by the opposition before they even take possession, and 15m snap kick clearances around the body which generally come back with more interest then my home-loan.

Do you seriously believe that Priddis puts more players under the pump with his handballs than others in the midfield? There is no evidence to back that up - and Priddis handball effectiveness is perfectly fine for an inside mid. Agree Priddis kicking effectiveness is poor but he will generally look to dish off a handball where at all possible and kicking blindly in congestion (which I agree is often very ineffective) is only used as a last resort these days (his handball to kick ratio is suitably weighted strongly to handballs).

 

[Marlin01]

Rids, have you got any stats on Priddis' ability to man up after a turnover? How do the Eagles rank in terms of goals conceded from turnovers in raw numbers?

 

[Rids]

Rids, have you got any stats on Priddis' ability to man up after a turnover? How do the Eagles rank in terms of goals conceded from turnovers in raw numbers?

We're quite high in terms of percentage of goals conceeded from turnovers (don't have numbers in front of me but it isn't pretty reading). Not sure on the specific Priddis question - whilst possession against stats are taken I don't think they're broken down to that level.

 

[Galileo9]

why the huff and puff over kerr? my 90 year old grandmother with dementia knows kerr is done. has stuggled alot this year.

jesus same people who criticise MC for not playing some of the other players we have are also criticising them for when they do.

 

[ehhh_morton]

rosa needs a big f*cking DELISTED written next to his name at the end of the year. he's garbage and always has been.

You have no idea. Why are you fan-boying and crying about Kerr so much? Many a decent player comes back via state level. Multiple goals? 21 times out of 220 games - that's less than 10% of games he is a multiple goal-kicker in. So twice a season, if that. Wow. Nobody is doubting his best isn't best 22, it's just that his best can't be produced for long enough periods/stretches of games - consistency is the key. If we were any serious crack at finals or a flag they would rush him back for a big game, no doubt.

As for Rosa, why? Irrational statement. It is ridiculous to just get rid of a more than capable player (when fit), especially when said player plays in the area of the ground in which we are clearly most deficient. I hardly think he has been 'garbage'. I'd probably lean more along the lines of 'serviceable' - with a few outstanding games, and not too many forgettable ones. Every team has Rosa types - guys who just play their role with little between their best and worst. It's not as if list spots are going to be at a premium at the end of the season.

 

[Eaglemaniac]

There is very little evidence to back most of those comments up.

Priddis regularly wins the first handball that ends with putting a midfielder into space. This is backed up by the fact that of our mid-fielders Priddis is 2nd only to Shuey in terms of total score involvements (part of an uninterrupted possession chain that end in a score) - that Priddis is often the first in that scoring chain (i.e. winning the contested ball) is an even greater achievement.

I have no issue with his decision making, particularly in congestion - however Priddis does have limitations with his kicking and I think that does impact on the amount of options available to him which certainly limits his effectiveness.

Yep kicking is below AFL standard - not a bad short kick but agree anything over 30 metres seems to place a strain on his kicking accuracy. Thankfully the role Priddis plays means that he very rarely needs to kick.

Priddis seems very aware of his own limitations defensively (ie lack of speed) and plays to them accordingly. For all the talk about how he 'can' get exposed in space - how often do you really see his centre square opponent dashing away from a clearance. Very rarely - in fact he is generally the best of our mids in that regard. Priddis tends to position himself defensive side of the circle and errs towards defensive side of his opponent and he is a very powerful 'inside' tackler meaning that his opponent will generally need to have got a metre on him from the stoppage itself to be any chance to actually find himself away in space. We got exposed as much from 'run-away' clearances yesterday without Priddis in the team as we have all season.

Disagree sorry Rids, i see Priddis's opponent run off him many times to our disadvantage. You only have to watch the most recent Derby to see examples of it.

 

[Eastern Rangers]

He's all over the facebook posters, the media releases and is constancy being talked up. Either we are completely wrong about Priddis or the club is delusional?

I don't doubt the club sees negatives in Priddis. It's more likely they believe he compensates for his weaknesses with his grunt work.

Which would probably be right if football tactics hadn't evolved to make clearances much less relevant. West coasts reliance on goals from clearances is one of the reasons sides have gone past us this year.

 

[SpaceClef]

I don't doubt the club sees negatives in Priddis. It's more likely they believe he compensates for his weaknesses with his grunt work.

Which would probably be right if football tactics hadn't evolved to make clearances much less relevant. West coasts reliance on Nicholas Naitanui goals from clearances is one of the reasons sides have gone past us this year.

EFA

 

[Eagle87]

Disagree sorry Rids, i see Priddis's opponent run off him many times to our disadvantage. You only have to watch the most recent Derby to see examples of it.

It's been a Freo tactic since Harvey was coach. At key points in the game go all out attack and throw someone like Hill in the middle directly against Matt. It makes Matt even more defensive minded and allows the other team dominate inside...

I mean Judd Kerr and Cousins didnt worry too much about being defensive because the other team was shit scared of them. This is where stats and ones eyes sometimes disagree.

Priddis plays as an offensive mid but with a defensive/negative mindset because of all his limitations. This makes it easier for the other team to be more offensive against us and it makes it harder for our other genuinely offensive mid because they are easily identified and locked down. His skillset makes everyone else's job harder.

But statistically Matt always looks ok because he plays for Matt based on Matt's skillset. He has done this since he was 15.

 

[no1bankteller]

It's been a Freo tactic since Harvey was coach. At key points in the game go all out attack and throw someone like Hill in the middle directly against Matt. It makes Matt even more defensive minded and allows the other team dominate inside...

I mean Judd Kerr and Cousins didnt worry too much about being defensive because the other team was shit scared of them. This is where stats and ones eyes sometimes disagree.

Priddis plays as an offensive mid but with a defensive/negative mindset because of all his limitations. This makes it easier for the other team to be more offensive against us and it makes it harder for our other genuinely offensive mid because they are easily identified and locked down. His skillset makes everyone else's job harder.

But statistically Matt always looks ok because he plays for Matt based on Matt's skillset. He has done this since he was 15.

Without being a smartarse, this is probably most open minded comment re Priddis I have seen from you.

Out of curiosity how would you play Priddis assuming that he is still chosen by match committee?

 

[Eagle87]

Without being a smartarse, this is probably most open minded comment re Priddis I have seen from you.

Out of curiosity how would you play Priddis assuming that he is still chosen by match committee?

I think I first made that same sort of comment in 2008, then I got grumpy...

Problem with Matt is that's, from years of observation, his only role. He's an inside ball winner. From that point on I.e after getting the ball he falls away talent wise. So you play him where he he can use his primary asset but IMO he's not good enough as an offensive mid to be a leading player. His role in 2006 into 2007 as bench back up for Kerr & Judd was fine. But that was in an age where you spelled your main mids for 5-8 minutes on the bench. The game has changed now and that sort of pure bench role guy who plays 5-10 mins a quarter as a clear backup isn't really there anymore. You have to play more minutes than that, he can't play back, he's pretty average forward and his natural ball hunting instinct, coupled with serious lack of pace make tagging unlikely except in very limited situations ...

So, I think he is what he is, a limited inside mid. Who isn't really good enough against the best sides and therefore I've advocated we are better cutting our losses given the crucial role that he plays. Others argue that you are better with a fully developed 6/10 player than replacing him with developing players who may become 8/10 players but are currently 4/10's cos they are developing....

That is really a function of deciding whether you can win it all with him in that role or whether you make decisions based on not being good enough as long as he's there. That's the fundamental difference of opinion between me and the MC.

So, he has to play the role he currently does or he has to ride the bench more (which might hurt rotations) or he has to show some as yet undeveloped forward skills.

I'd welcome him back at WAFL level at Subi where different game styles, his supreme fitness and his ball getting ability make him elite ..... but for me he plays the position that good sides have earmarked for elite players and he'll never be that, so we will be trying to win with a modest player in a vital position... I don't think we can.

I really don't hate the bloke at all. I just have a view on his capacity to find a role that has value and allows us to win a flag.

 

[no1bankteller]

I think I first made that same sort of comment in 2008, then I got grumpy...

Problem with Matt is that's, from years of observation, his only role. He's an inside ball winner. From that point on I.e after getting the ball he falls away talent wise. So you play him where he he can use his primary asset but IMO he's not good enough as an offensive mid to be a leading player. His role in 2006 into 2007 as bench back up for Kerr & Judd was fine. But that was in an age where you spelled your main mids for 5-8 minutes on the bench. The game has changed now and that sort of pure bench role guy who plays 5-10 mins a quarter as a clear backup isn't really there anymore. You have to play more minutes than that, he can't play back, he's pretty average forward and his natural ball hunting instinct, coupled with serious lack of pace make tagging unlikely except in very limited situations ...

So, I think he is what he is, a limited inside mid. Who isn't really good enough against the best sides and therefore I've advocated we are better cutting our losses given the crucial role that he plays. Others argue that you are better with a fully developed 6/10 player than replacing him with developing players who may become 8/10 players but are currently 4/10's cos they are developing....

That is really a function of deciding whether you can win it all with him in that role or whether you make decisions based on not being good enough as long as he's there. That's the fundamental difference of opinion between me and the MC.

So, he has to play the role he currently does or he has to ride the bench more (which might hurt rotations) or he has to show some as yet undeveloped forward skills.

I'd welcome him back at WAFL level at Subi where different game styles, his supreme fitness and his ball getting ability make him elite ..... but for me he plays the position that good sides have earmarked for elite players and he'll never be that, so we will be trying to win with a modest player in a vital position... I don't think we can.

I really don't hate the bloke at all. I just have a view on his capacity to find a role that has value and allows us to win a flag.

That is a great summary/assessment and I am not sure that I can fault it.

I agree that The only way that he can continue to be relevant in the future is if he develops greater forward skills. That seems unlikely but it is what is needed by wce from him.

 

[Marlin01]

That is a great summary/assessment and I am not sure that I can fault it.

I agree that The only way that he can continue to be relevant in the future is if he develops greater forward skills. That seems unlikely but it is what is needed by wce from him.

I've been waiting for Priddis to add a couple of strings to his bow for a few years now, but he doesn't seem capable. I thought he'd be able to improve his awareness and be able to shoot out terrific handballs to players in space. I also thought he'd be able to improve his evasive skills to create a metre or two of space in a congested area, so he has a split second extra to find a team mate. It just hasn't happened.

 

[sTeeL]

Priddis actually quite regularly sidesteps and creates more space for himself, something he didnt do in earlier years. I have also found he hits up a target rather than just bomb it long like he used to. People seem to completely ignore what he has developed, and what he brings to the side. Do I wish we had a Judd? Yes. Is any player on our list even remotely competent at extraction? Not really.