Wallace has failed simple!!

[db26]

Listening to 3aw yesterday made me sick.Hearing Dennis Pagan stick up for Wallace saying simple he hasnt got the cattle which is is crap.This is why

-Given a 5 yr contract to rebuild the list and team and improve skills and kicking and to at least play finals in last year. He has failed simple.

- Most high to med draft picks we draft show something but they just dont improve like the other teams do.

Example Edwards, when he first played we we all saying, wow this kid has something, he had skills and was smooth. We thught that a couple of preseasons and some gym work and we would have a player but no we dont. You could pick at least half a dozen like that in out team. Why??

 

[coke_zero]

Example Edwards, when he first played we we all saying, wow this kid has something, he had skills and was smooth. We thught that a couple of preseasons and some gym work and we would have a player but no we dont. You could pick at least half a dozen like that in out team. Why??

you could say that about almost all teams.

 

[db26]

you could say that about almost all teams.

Have a look at the Hawks compared to us mate.They rebuilt there list at the same time as us and where a they now. Just look at the kids they have developed from ground up??.

 

[jj1978]

Have a look at the Hawks compared to us mate.They rebuilt there list at the same time as us and where a they now. Just look at the kids they have developed from ground up??.

Not just Wallace's fault (although he is a big part), I think Miller was a big blame in all this.

 

[db26]

Not just Wallace's fault (although he is a big part), I think Miller was a big blame in all this.

Agree with that to.

 

[Heisenberg_]

Not just Wallace's fault (although he is a big part), I think Miller was a big blame in all this.

Wallace and Miller was a partnership, but the head coach has final say in all matters regarding the playing list

 

[The Hobo]

He has assembled a reasonably good list now. I was expecting Richmond to climb into the 8 this season, and perhaps get some big scalps during the season as well. I still feel this is possible.

So far, games against Carlton, Geelong and Western Bulldogs. That's two teams that were top 4 last season, and one team that everyone is expecting to be top 4 this season. So you've had a tough start to the season, and apart from the Carlton game, been extremely competitive.

I thinK Terry is on the right track, and isn't too far away from getting there. Of course, if he gets fired now, someone else will come in, and get the credit for the solid foundation that Terry has laid.

I'd let him coach out the season and see how things go.

Whoever your skills coach is though, needs to be looked at.

 

[Croat tiger]

He has assembled a reasonably good list now. I was expecting Richmond to climb into the 8 this season, and perhaps get some big scalps during the season as well. I still feel this is possible.

So far, games against Carlton, Geelong and Western Bulldogs. That's two teams that were top 4 last season, and one team that everyone is expecting to be top 4 this season. So you've had a tough start to the season, and apart from the Carlton game, been extremely competitive.

I thinK Terry is on the right track, and isn't too far away from getting there. Of course, if he gets fired now, someone else will come in, and get the credit for the solid foundation that Terry has laid.

I'd let him coach out the season and see how things go.

Whoever your skills coach is though, needs to be looked at.

Brian Royal

 

[db26]

The thing is,is that we have a base to built a good team around so something is wrong bigtime and if you had those duds in who kill us with there skills they destroy the team.The the backline you have Moore,Thursty,Mcguan.Midfield Delidio,Cotch,Foley and forward line ,Riewolt,Huges and Morton.

 

[Barnzy]

He has assembled a reasonably good list now.

Very wrong, still has many holes. From an outsiders view it might look okay, from someone who knows it inside and out it's pathetic for 5 years of development.

So far, games against Carlton, Geelong and Western Bulldogs. That's two teams that were top 4 last season, and one team that everyone is expecting to be top 4 this season. So you've had a tough start to the season, and apart from the Carlton game, been extremely competitive

Not by a long way. Bulldogs game was horrible, Geelong game knee-jerk performance because of the media scrutiny.

I thinK Terry is on the right track

You're wrong.

 

[Heisenberg_]

I thinK Terry is on the right track, and isn't too far away from getting there. Of course, if he gets fired now, someone else will come in, and get the credit for the solid foundation that Terry has laid.

He is in his fifth year as coach, still has too many players that do not display the basic skills to be a very good AFL player, our team isn't performing against the top sides and doesn't look much better then we did in his first season as coach.
He came to Richmond the same year Clarkson went to Hawthorn and Eade the dogs. Clarkson is a premiership coach and Eade is coaching a top 4 side.

 

[Madtiger2006]

He hasn't failed imo. It's not like he was going to play all kids in his first 2 years anyway. We are not the Hawks, we've been so bad since 1982. Why would he play kids the first 2 years and finish last in his first 2 years at a club like ours? He did a good job those 2 years turning over 10 players per year while still being competitive, but injuries in his third year forced him to play kids and look what happened. Finished last. Last year we were a team with the youngsters with 20 games each and on the rise. Was a promising year for the future. This year we have had a tough draw to start with. He just has to give up on the idea of having a King or Mcmahon in defence and a Hislop up the ground. If you look at our best 22 it's quite strong but Terry has to choose the best 22 this week. I have full confidence in a defence such as

FB Mcguane Thursfield Newman
HB Moore Rance Polo

Throw in Deledio at times and it is pretty good. Players like King and Mcmahon can give away 3 goals and bring the confidence of the team and defenders down and cause more troubles. In Round 1 and 3 it was players like Mcmahon and King which let the team down most. Forget about a miskick by Deledio or a dropped mark by Mcguane, that's what happens when confidence is down due to having weak links in defence.

Have a look at the players we are missing from the middle. Cotchin, Coughlan, Cousins. Imagine having them to help out Foley, Tuck, Jackson. The midfield would like alot better. Tuck and Foley got plenty of the ball but they are being overplayed due to the missing players and fatigue will cause some mistakes. This was worse in Round 1 due to both players not having a perfect preseason. Tuck and Foley need support and the 3 C's will take the pressure off them. Our centreline is and midfield fine

C Richo Tuck White
FOLL Simmonds Foley Cousins


but as i said Tuck needs support and it's hard when Lids has to be played down back to cover for King and Mcmahon who keep turning it over.

Our forward line is probably the area which needs patience. Brown, Reiwoldt and Morton aren't getting the space and delivery they would like due to the defence and midfield not being at potential as mentioned above. Schultz could be doing better though and may be dropped. I want to see someone like Putt at some point. Connors will be back at some point and Cotchin and Deledio can play parts up forward too. The forward line will function alot better with the midfield and defence mentioned above. A bit of fine tuning can make all the difference. Our forward line and game plan would look alot better with this fine tuning. Connors will take Bowden's spot over time. This is a pretty solid forward line:

HF Cotchin Reiwoldt Connors
FF Morton Schultz Brown

But FF is the part we need to work on. Whether it is Putt, Post, Hughes, Schultz. Someone has to lift.

INT Deledio(mid/defence/forward utilty) Pattison Coughlan Collins

I think Polo will do some tagging soon and Lids will play more defence. We have Thomson who can fill Tucks role. I'd love to see someone take FF and we have some pretty good young talent. Putt would be a good choice. Very mobile and athletic and at 203cm he'll get first hand to alot of ball in the centre and be a good option up forward. When things fall into place I think terry's coaching ideas will shine. We just haven't been in the situation really. But Terry needs to drop these turnover players

 

[UpTheGuts]

Round 3....

Record membership.

Get on us.

 

[db26]

He hasn't failed imo. It's not like he was going to play all kids in his first 2 years anyway. We are not the Hawks, we've been so bad since 1982. Why would he play kids the first 2 years and finish last in his first 2 years at a club like ours? He did a good job those 2 years turning over 10 players per year while still being competitive, but injuries in his third year forced him to play kids and look what happened. Finished last. Last year we were a team with the youngsters with 20 games each and on the rise. Was a promising year for the future. This year we have had a tough draw to start with. He just has to give up on the idea of having a King or Mcmahon in defence and a Hislop up the ground. If you look at our best 22 it's quite strong but Terry has to choose the best 22 this week. I have full confidence in a defence such as

FB Mcguane Thursfield Newman
HB Moore Rance Polo

Throw in Deledio at times and it is pretty good. Players like King and Mcmahon can give away 3 goals and bring the confidence of the team and defenders down and cause more troubles. In Round 1 and 3 it was players like Mcmahon and King which let the team down most. Forget about a miskick by Deledio or a dropped mark by Mcguane, that's what happens when confidence is down due to having weak links in defence.

Have a look at the players we are missing from the middle. Cotchin, Coughlan, Cousins. Imagine having them to help out Foley, Tuck, Jackson. The midfield would like alot better. Tuck and Foley got plenty of the ball but they are being overplayed due to the missing players and fatigue will cause some mistakes. This was worse in Round 1 due to both players not having a perfect preseason. Tuck and Foley need support and the 3 C's will take the pressure off them. Our centreline is and midfield fine

C Richo Tuck White
FOLL Simmonds Foley Cousins


but as i said Tuck needs support and it's hard when Lids has to be played down back to cover for King and Mcmahon who keep turning it over.

Our forward line is probably the area which needs patience. Brown, Reiwoldt and Morton aren't getting the space and delivery they would like due to the defence and midfield not being at potential as mentioned above. Schultz could be doing better though and may be dropped. I want to see someone like Putt at some point. Connors will be back at some point and Cotchin and Deledio can play parts up forward too. The forward line will function alot better with the midfield and defence mentioned above. A bit of fine tuning can make all the difference. Our forward line and game plan would look alot better with this fine tuning. Connors will take Bowden's spot over time. This is a pretty solid forward line:

HF Cotchin Reiwoldt Connors
FF Morton Schultz Brown

But FF is the part we need to work on. Whether it is Putt, Post, Hughes, Schultz. Someone has to lift.

INT Deledio(mid/defence/forward utilty) Pattison Coughlan Collins

I think Polo will do some tagging soon and Lids will play more defence. We have Thomson who can fill Tucks role. I'd love to see someone take FF and we have some pretty good young talent. Putt would be a good choice. Very mobile and athletic and at 203cm he'll get first hand to alot of ball in the centre and be a good option up forward. When things fall into place I think terry's coaching ideas will shine. We just haven't been in the situation really. But Terry needs to drop these turnover players

He has failed simple.Keep dreaming mate your saying he needs to drop these turnover players why does he persist with them year after year then and season after season.He's got no one else to blame but himself because he brought them to the club and he keeps having faith in them simple.So who's fault is it then that our skills and kicking isnt up to AFL standard after 5 years then I wonder.

 

[Madtiger2006]

He has failed simple.Keep dreaming mate your saying he needs to drop these turnover players why does he persist with them year after year then and season after season.He's got no one else to blame but himself because he brought them to the club and he keeps having faith in them simple.So who's fault is it then that our skills and kicking isnt up to AFL standard after 5 years then I wonder.

I'm talking about the list he has built and the game plan that we use when the best 22 are used. My only fault with Terry has been playing Mcmahon and King recently. But at the time everyone was saying how good King was so don't tell me you weren't a King fan 2 years ago . I think sacking terry now is the last thing we should be doing because things will start to fall into place with players like King, Mcmahon, Johnson, Hislop? etc on the outer. These early Round losses are showing us which players are slowing us down. I can see good coming from this and if we sack terry we will go backwards once again.

 

[Tiger Fury #3]

He hasn't failed imo. It's not like he was going to play all kids in his first 2 years anyway. We are not the Hawks, we've been so bad since 1982. Why would he play kids the first 2 years and finish last in his first 2 years at a club like ours? He did a good job those 2 years turning over 10 players per year while still being competitive, but injuries in his third year forced him to play kids and look what happened. Finished last. Last year we were a team with the youngsters with 20 games each and on the rise. Was a promising year for the future. This year we have had a tough draw to start with. He just has to give up on the idea of having a King or Mcmahon in defence and a Hislop up the ground. If you look at our best 22 it's quite strong but Terry has to choose the best 22 this week. I have full confidence in a defence such as

FB Mcguane Thursfield Newman
HB Moore Rance Polo

Throw in Deledio at times and it is pretty good. Players like King and Mcmahon can give away 3 goals and bring the confidence of the team and defenders down and cause more troubles. In Round 1 and 3 it was players like Mcmahon and King which let the team down most. Forget about a miskick by Deledio or a dropped mark by Mcguane, that's what happens when confidence is down due to having weak links in defence.

Have a look at the players we are missing from the middle. Cotchin, Coughlan, Cousins. Imagine having them to help out Foley, Tuck, Jackson. The midfield would like alot better. Tuck and Foley got plenty of the ball but they are being overplayed due to the missing players and fatigue will cause some mistakes. This was worse in Round 1 due to both players not having a perfect preseason. Tuck and Foley need support and the 3 C's will take the pressure off them. Our centreline is and midfield fine

C Richo Tuck White
FOLL Simmonds Foley Cousins


but as i said Tuck needs support and it's hard when Lids has to be played down back to cover for King and Mcmahon who keep turning it over.

Our forward line is probably the area which needs patience. Brown, Reiwoldt and Morton aren't getting the space and delivery they would like due to the defence and midfield not being at potential as mentioned above. Schultz could be doing better though and may be dropped. I want to see someone like Putt at some point. Connors will be back at some point and Cotchin and Deledio can play parts up forward too. The forward line will function alot better with the midfield and defence mentioned above. A bit of fine tuning can make all the difference. Our forward line and game plan would look alot better with this fine tuning. Connors will take Bowden's spot over time. This is a pretty solid forward line:

HF Cotchin Reiwoldt Connors
FF Morton Schultz Brown

But FF is the part we need to work on. Whether it is Putt, Post, Hughes, Schultz. Someone has to lift.

INT Deledio(mid/defence/forward utilty) Pattison Coughlan Collins

I think Polo will do some tagging soon and Lids will play more defence. We have Thomson who can fill Tucks role. I'd love to see someone take FF and we have some pretty good young talent. Putt would be a good choice. Very mobile and athletic and at 203cm he'll get first hand to alot of ball in the centre and be a good option up forward. When things fall into place I think terry's coaching ideas will shine. We just haven't been in the situation really. But Terry needs to drop these turnover players

Deledio is our best midfielder. Why on earth would he be in defence? He will rest in the forward line like he has been doing for the last year.

And why would our B & F winner and most talented player line up on the bench?

Schultz is not the answer been on the list a good 6-7 years and accomplished nothing he has to go.

I seriously doubt Cousins will line up on the ball he will play mostly half forward and rotate through the middle our starting midfield will be Simmonds, Tuck, Foley and Deledio with guys liker Cotchin and Cousins rotating through.

 

[Mario Speedwagon]

Hahaha start Lids from the bench and play him in defence ....another pearler from Jethro "Polak will be back in 2 weeks" Dullard....

 

[Tippaz]

Listening to 3aw yesterday made me sick.Hearing Dennis Pagan stick up for Wallace saying simple he hasnt got the cattle which is is crap.This is why

-Given a 5 yr contract to rebuild the list and team and improve skills and kicking and to at least play finals in last year. He has failed simple.

- Most high to med draft picks we draft show something but they just dont improve like the other teams do.

Example Edwards, when he first played we we all saying, wow this kid has something, he had skills and was smooth. We thught that a couple of preseasons and some gym work and we would have a player but no we dont. You could pick at least half a dozen like that in out team. Why??

you're pretty much saying the Tiges haven't improved upon 2008... based on 3 games of football

 

[db26]

you're pretty much saying the Tiges haven't improved upon 2008... based on 3 games of football

Mate its nothing to do with the 3 games ,but how can you improve when you cant do the most basic thing in footy and thats kick and put a effort in.Our skills and kicking are below vfl standard.

 

[Bulldog Joe]

I do believe that Wallace needs to take responsibility for the problem at Richmond. In his previous coaching stint at the Bulldogs he actually inherited a good tough player list that had simply underperformed under terrible coaching from Alan Joyce. Wallace got them to preliminary finals in his first 2 years, but every year he was there the team went backwards.
He also failed to develop any of his draftees to any extent, with the exception of Nathan Brown. The list developed a reputation for being soft by the time he left.
The players he drafted were in danger of being lost to the game under the coaching of his successor Peter Rohde.
It is only with the advent of Eade that those players have devloped and there has been more emphasis on their physical development through the gym.
My observation is that the current Richmond side shows a lot of the attributes that had the Bulldogs on the downward slide. Hopefully they can prove me wrong and show they are able to match sides physically and reward their faithful fans with a few victories.

 

[Rodney Dangerfield]

Lets give Terry the credit he deserves in some instances.
Jake King for example,what a great inspirational story the Jake King story is.
A reminder to us all that little fellas who aren't really good at anything can make it,he hasn't just defied the odds to play footy,but at the highest level!
Sure we can bang on about how jake is our worst player....perhaps even the worst ever.....certainly in the worst 2-3 in the comp.
But that's overlooking the real story,Jake is out there participating and having a swing for the little guy,the less fortunate and for his mate and coach the wonderful Terry,who had the vision and foresight to see something in Jake that no-one else in Footy could see??????
So good on you Terry and a big bloody well done and good on you Jake!

 

[The Hobo]

Very wrong, still has many holes. From an outsiders view it might look okay, from someone who knows it inside and out it's pathetic for 5 years of development.

Fair enough

Not by a long way. Bulldogs game was horrible, Geelong game knee-jerk performance because of the media scrutiny.

I watched bits and pieces of it, I felt it was alright, not the best, but you were not too far behind for most of the game.

It's all very easy to blame the whole thing on the coach, but there is more to it than just a playing list and a coach. There are plenty of other factors that matter.

Injuries haven't been helpful either, you've had guys go down at inopportune times over the past few seasons. The biggest weakness I can see in your list right now is Ruck. Troy Simmonds is great around the ground and one of the more mobile ruckman in the AFL. Has reasonable skills for a ruckman too. But his ruckwork leaves alot to be desired, and you guys need a more competitive ruckman who will get first touch more.

The midfield is certainly good, and if you could get Coughlan out on the park and firing, would look 100 times better. Forward line is a bit hit and miss, i'd say Cleve Hughes looks to be the answer but he needs an extended run up forward. From what I've seen against him, he's a decent young player.

Remember, it takes time to develop a list. He's had 5 years, and his first few years seemed to be a waste, but he does seem to have a good list right now.


Yes, Clarkson and Eade both inherited their teams at the same time, but each team was in a different stage of development at the time.