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You dont have any idea slag!!!!!
And these Boards would be better served if you were drowned at birth!!!
so your saying that every single person in Iraq is responsible are you? Havent you heard about these Brave/Stupid people from Australia going over there as Human Shields!
Fact is, if these people in Iraq were to denounce anything this regime does then they might as well be signing their death wish! Does that mean their not innocent?
I suggest you get yourself some education on the issue!!!
And these Boards would be better served if you were drowned at birth!!!
so your saying that every single person in Iraq is responsible are you? Havent you heard about these Brave/Stupid people from Australia going over there as Human Shields!
Fact is, if these people in Iraq were to denounce anything this regime does then they might as well be signing their death wish! Does that mean their not innocent?
I suggest you get yourself some education on the issue!!!
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And that, my friends, is the worst insult you will ever see.
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Maybe those who are naive on this board and have no real idea of what this war is truly about, should read this article. It's the closest thing to the truth that "The Age" has ever printed.
http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/03/19/1047749824415.html
http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/03/19/1047749824415.html
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Newspaper articles are literally full of crap. They are the writer's opinions on the matter.
I am actually very surprised that you all aren't accepting my opinion on this issue.
Instead you are all very abusive.
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I am angry with the Howard Govt. for taking this decision on my behalf when it was made without a debate in Parliament.
I am angry that Howard has refused to listen to the people who are protesting against the war in Iraq. I do not support this war at this time.
I supported Desert Storm in 1991 because then Kuwait had been invaded and the UN gave its backing but this makes Australia an Aggressor.
It reminds me of the Vietnam war all over again. The US war that we had to go to. The Government of the day lied to the people then. Are we being lied to now? It was " All the way with LBJ" and now we have a parallel with George W Bush and his puppet here in Australia. The ventroliquist's dummy...!! .. we all know where the ventroliquist's hand goes...
I feel for the men and women of our Defence Force and their families. They follow orders and have a job to do. Its not their fault. I hope that they are not blamed as our troops in Vietnam were. My husband was in the regular army then and he saw service in Vietnam. I opposed that American war also but he deserved and needed my support as well.
I guess my thoughts will not gel with everyone but they are mine and what I believe.
I am angry that Howard has refused to listen to the people who are protesting against the war in Iraq. I do not support this war at this time.
I supported Desert Storm in 1991 because then Kuwait had been invaded and the UN gave its backing but this makes Australia an Aggressor.
It reminds me of the Vietnam war all over again. The US war that we had to go to. The Government of the day lied to the people then. Are we being lied to now? It was " All the way with LBJ" and now we have a parallel with George W Bush and his puppet here in Australia. The ventroliquist's dummy...!! .. we all know where the ventroliquist's hand goes...
I feel for the men and women of our Defence Force and their families. They follow orders and have a job to do. Its not their fault. I hope that they are not blamed as our troops in Vietnam were. My husband was in the regular army then and he saw service in Vietnam. I opposed that American war also but he deserved and needed my support as well.
I guess my thoughts will not gel with everyone but they are mine and what I believe.
Now you're just being ******ed for the sake of antagonising people.
Seriously, shouldn't you be playing on the road or something?
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Suzi, you really must have a word with your newsagent.
He or she isn't a BigFooty poster by any chance?
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I voted for the Howard government because I felt they were the best party available to look over the interests of my country.
As such, I have faith in their decision making ... and do not expect every decision they are making to be explained in depth to me.
I believe they have the better intelligence available to them than any of us and as such will support their decision.
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You don't want the decision of going to war to be explained in depth to you?
See, once everyone is apathetic enough, the government can do whatEEEEVER they want.
Keep it up, it's attitudes like these that stop democracy from functioning properly
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By that I mean that I realise that the information that such decisions are made based upon very often will be of a sensitive nature.
The way some people talk sometimes you would think it was Saddam that was the good guy.
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See, it's the word "THE" that is the problem here.
The problem is the assumption that there is ONE good guy and ONE bad guy. If you'd said "you would think Saddam was a good guy" I'd say OK.
I don't think Saddam is a good guy. But at the same time, I don't think Bush is a good guy either. Nor Howard. Basically, you've got a bad guy (Bush) trying to get his (bad) agenda across by diverting attention to a BADDER guy (Saddam)
Now, in relative terms, Saddam is BAD and Bush is GOOD
But in absolute terms, Bush is BAD, and Saddam is BAD too.
See the distinction. That's why people get upset about this.
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What a load of garbage !!!!!!!
It is better to get this out of the way now rather than it being a problem, a much bigger one, further down the track.
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Well this is the point of contention...
I don't think we're going to nut it out, so probably no use trying.
I don't think I'm going to log on tonight and find a thread entitled "ALL BIGFOOTY POSTERS AGREE ON RELATIVE MORAL MERITS OR OTHERWISE OF BUSH'S ACTIONS"
But then again...I could be wrong
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And I'm sure if I looked into your past enough I could argue that you're a bad person.
The big question is at what point do we get on the offensive and put an end to Saddams regime ..... If Bush is telling the truth and Saddam has built up and arsenal, and has been supporting terrorist, at what point do we say enough is enough ?
I dont have enough information to make this decsion, so I have to put some faith in the people that do. ..... and for the record I reckon Bush is a less than ideal President.
Or do we just bend over, drop our pants and let them reem us ?
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Malibu, I respect your point of view and the way you expressed it. However, I also voted for the Howard Govt at the last two elections but I still do not think the decision is correct at this time and I passionately believe that the rationale should have been explained to us in depth and debated prior to the decision being made. I won't vote that way next time though. These are my beliefs and we all differ. Vive la difference!
I don't think Saddam is a good guy... and I 'think that there is a hidden agenda for the US... like control of the oil. My husband now works in the international oil exploration business and whilst, thank God, he is in Africa working and nowhere near hostilities he also believes the Us stance is motivated by this.. plus finish the job that Dad didn't?? Mr Bush seems wooden when he is addressing the world... just saw part of his speech to the American people and he was expressionless.. or maybe its just my perception.
I don't think Saddam is a good guy... and I 'think that there is a hidden agenda for the US... like control of the oil. My husband now works in the international oil exploration business and whilst, thank God, he is in Africa working and nowhere near hostilities he also believes the Us stance is motivated by this.. plus finish the job that Dad didn't?? Mr Bush seems wooden when he is addressing the world... just saw part of his speech to the American people and he was expressionless.. or maybe its just my perception.
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Malibu, I respect your point of view and the way you expressed it. However, I also voted for the Howard Govt at the last two elections but I still do not think the decision is correct at this time and I passionately believe that the rationale should have been explained to us in depth and debated prior to the decision being made. I won't vote that way next time though. These are my beliefs and we all differ. Vive la difference!
Thats fine I understand everyone has different opinions. I'm not an advocate of war, but I do still have some faith in our leadership to do the morally right thing.
I don't think Saddam is a good guy... and I 'think that there is a hidden agenda for the US... like control of the oil. My husband now works in the international oil exploration business and whilst, thank God, he is in Africa working and nowhere near hostilities he also believes the Us stance is motivated by this.. plus finish the job that Dad didn't?? Mr Bush seems wooden when he is addressing the world... just saw part of his speech to the American people and he was expressionless.. or maybe its just my perception.
I also don't think Saddam is a good guy. I'm also not a fan of Bush .... but that being said, I'm a huge fan of being able to walk down the streets in my country knowing that I'm safe.
I just hope that this action will in the long run assist that.
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Using the word BAD is a bad (sorry) example.
The thing that upsets people about Bush is the same thing that upsets people about Hussein when it comes down to it.
I think that a fundamental human right is FREEDOM.
Hussein doesn't allow his people freedom. He's a dictator. He rules through fear and destroys all those who disagree with him.
He suppresses FREEDOM through the abuse of POWER.
People don't like the abuse of power, they see it as unjust.
BUSH also abuses power. The United States has a lot of power, and they use it for their OWN benefit. Noone elses. Sure it may benefit other countries, but be sure that this is only a by-product. Given the choice of doing for them, or doing for someone else, they will do for them.
And BUSH and the US, in exercising this power, in some ways suppress FREEDOM. Freedom to disagree (see the French), freedom to challenge their position economically, freedom of speech even (see a lot of the new anti-terrorism laws)
A lot of people see this, and they don't like it, just like they don't like Hussein. Just because Bush isn't as "in your face" as Husseing, not as much of a textbood baddie, doesn't make what he's doing any different. It's just a line-drawing exercise.
FEAR
Now, how do people get away with this sort of behaviour. The answer is FEAR. In the case of Hussein, people fear direct retribution. In the case of Bush, he (and Howard) work on a broader fear of terrorism, or more generally, fear of the unknown (see also Howard's handling of the Tampa crisis) With enough fear, you can manipulate people into allowing you to do pretty much anything.
So, in conclusion. I'm not saying Bush is right, or Bush is wrong. I'm just saying that when I see the way America runs the world, I get uneasy. When I see the way Hussein treats his people, I get uneasy. Because both stem from unjust use of excessive power.
People in power can either use that power benevolently or selfishly. When I look at George W Bush, I see the latter.
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Even if your family are killed, your house bombed and your farming land so badly wrecked that you will never be able to use it again because of nuclear contamination?
Especially if any child born in the next few decades will be affected by the nuclear contamination of everything and will make them sick for years?
