Warney.......

[The Passenger]

I don't see why he can't train with the team.......when an athlete is banned from running, there's nothing that says they can't train.

And just on another note, I really wish that WADA, and particualrly **** Pound would get their heads out from where their not wanted.

They have nothing to do with Cricket, and needless to say they don't need to be telling the cricketing world how to run the game.

Cricket may have some of its own problems with corruption, but cmopared to some of the reports of WADA, and **** Pound himself that I've read over the years, cricket's problems are a little tea party.

 

[The Scarecrow]

I guess **** Pound still considers "training" part of the "year ban" Warne training could put the team off, but I see no problem with it.

 

[dr nick]

there is nothing to stop warne training in the nets if some guy like ricky ponting asks him if he wants to have a roll of the arm. though i dont think he should be taking part in any of the Australian team's training sessions, much like how banned athletes i spose would not be able to train in the team USA environment or whoever. if he asks someone to have a hit down at the nets, good luck to him, but not as part of the official training programme.

and as for d*ck pound chiming in, if he is going out of his way to make these statements, then that is ridiculous. it is not his piece to be saying what the ACB should and shouldnt do. However, i think it is next year that cricket will come into line under the WADA drug policies and penalties and such, and it will not be the ACB deciding penalties, it will be WADA (the way all sports should be IMO) i wouldn't want half the NZ rugby backline testing positive, and then have the NZRU handing out very soft penalties and letting them play in charity matches and training with the team and so on.

 

[SNIPER_]

YES.

 

[Adelaide Hawk]

Yes please .. let him train with the Australians .... anything to keep him off the streets where he can meet women, and prevent him from using his mobile phone!!!!

 

[clucas91]

Who the hell is D1ck Pound to talk about this issue? The guy probably knows SFA about cricket anyway.

 

[carn_the_nmfc]

Yep he should be allowed to do what he wants.
**** Pound should be ashamed of himself.
**** Pound is the biggest loser around.

 

[Jars458]

No

he is banned from the sport

He should not be able to use the facilities and resources of Cricket Australia who have banned him from the game

We are so tough tallking on drugs but when push comes to shove we completely whimp out

 

[Dipper]

I agree with Jars either you want to set the right sort of example when dealing with drug cheats or otherwise we might as well say we don't give a monkey's & let people take whatever they want.


Let's face it he's hardly shown great contrition over the whole affair.

 

[dr nick]

Originally posted by DIPPER
I agree with Jars either you want to set the right sort of example when dealing with drug cheats or otherwise we might as well say we don't give a monkey's & let people take whatever they want.


Let's face it he's hardly shown great contrition over the whole affair.

whats the general consensus on warney back in the motherland (ps, hows that heatwave??)

 

[Dipper]

Originally posted by nicko18
whats the general consensus on warney back in the motherland (ps, hows that heatwave??)

Well they didn't go after him too badly, this may surprise a few people but in general the papers over here are full of admiration for the current Australian side & especially Warnie & what he has done for spin bowling & most people like him as a bit of a larrakin.

I think people who care about cricket are more disappointed than anything & feel a bit let down.They seemed to swallow the idea that he took it to lose weight rather than as a masking agent though.

As for the heatwave, bugger me! it seems as hot as when I lived in Sydney in 97/98 & that was meant to be a record breaking Jan/Feb over there.

We had our hottest day ever on Sunday & broke 100f for the first time (about 37.4C), the tube in London has been like a torture chamber but you'll be glad to know that the pasty faced pommies have been taken it in their stride & are even managing to achieve much higher levels of skin cancer than you lot.

I went into a boozer in London the other day & the barmaid was from Australia & she said even she was struggling with it.The trouble is that no one's bothered to tell us that such a thing as air conditioning exists a bit like nobody's been kind enough to let you lot into the secret of central heating.

 

[TigerCraig]

All this drug testing is rubbish - name some drugs that improve your cricket. I reckon it would be close to none. A few might help you get back from injury quicker, but so what?

IMHO, every sport - particularly non-Olympic sports - should have its own banned drug list, with only those that actually improve performance in their sport on it.

 

[dr nick]

Originally posted by TigerCraig
All this drug testing is rubbish - name some drugs that improve your cricket. I reckon it would be close to none. A few might help you get back from injury quicker, but so what?

IMHO, every sport - particularly non-Olympic sports - should have its own banned drug list, with only those that actually improve performance in their sport on it.

recovering from injury quicker, taking supplements that improve stamina and help shed kilos, is performance enhancing. (as is taking drugs which mask these other agents). why should others be forced to do the same to be able to compete with those that take these drugs?

aside from that fact, its a health and safety issue. sometimes people need rules that stop them taking other people's prescription medication, which is not only illegal, but dangerous, because they can't make these decisions for themselves. i'ts sort of like why there is a $5000 fine for jumping off the Sydney Harbour Bridge, just for those who need protection from themselves

 

[TigerCraig]

Agree if it is an illegal drug - and all sports should ban those - but a genuine, legal, prescription medicine that does not enhance performance in that particular sport should be OK.

I don't think a legal drug that helps you recover faster is performance enhancing - all it is doing is getting you back to your normal position.

 

[dougthelegend]

Give me one good reason why he should be allowed to train with the Aussie side…it seems too much like rewarding him for taking drugs for my liking.

The way I understand it – he was banned from Cricket IN ITS ENTIREITY for 1 year. Training with the current test or one day squad….or even playing in charity matches would be contrary to that ban.

Anyway, that’s my two cents worth

 

[dr nick]

Originally posted by TigerCraig
Agree if it is an illegal drug - and all sports should ban those - but a genuine, legal, prescription medicine that does not enhance performance in that particular sport should be OK.

I don't think a legal drug that helps you recover faster is performance enhancing - all it is doing is getting you back to your normal position.

legal prescription drugs ARE allowed. Adam MacDougall (whose brother fled from the ASDA testers only to give a clean sample when they found him 2 days later) is being prescribed testosterone medication to treat a bone/muscle condition. Warne's however was not prescribed for him. Any athlete in the world who gets caught with masking agents can just say "they are not performance enhancing, and my mum gave it to me because she said they'd help me look better. it's also very convenient, because whilst they are allowed to check Shane's medical records, they are not allowed to verify what medication his mum is allowed... so who knows if it really belongs to his mum anyway?

and about letting you take drugs to recover quickly, let the doctors decide that. for all we know he was taking EPO or some other endurance enhancing medication, and covering it up. (we all remember the jibe Buchanan had about Warne not being fit enough to last a 5 day match)

 

[jerry springer]

He has been banned from the sport,and therefore lost his spot in the side.There is no garrantee that he will ever get back into the side either.Id have no problem with Warney going to the acamedy to do some work with some youngsters but he shouldnt be allowed to train with the first 11

 

[GhostofJimJess]

Originally posted by TigerCraig
Agree if it is an illegal drug - and all sports should ban those - but a genuine, legal, prescription medicine that does not enhance performance in that particular sport should be OK.

I don't think a legal drug that helps you recover faster is performance enhancing - all it is doing is getting you back to your normal position.

Some of you folks still don't get it.

The diuretic taken by Warne was never, at any stage, claimed to be a performance enhancer as such. But it does contain a masking agent which could conceal the presence of an illegal drug.

Therefore, the substance is banned. Simple as that. And Warne took the banned substance.

Shane Warne was aware this. If you knew just how many lectures, seminars, workshops with butcher's paper, friendly little chit-chats etc... EVERY international sportsperson is subjected to in the course of their preapration for the world stage, then you would also be aware that Warne was extremely stupid, and not just a little cheeky, to take the drug.

He got what he deserved, and now he must do his time.

My problem with the whole matter is that all of these restrictions imposed on him during this year out of the game should have been made plainly clear at the beginning of his suspension.

Could he train with his district club but not with First Class squads who receive gov't support.

Could he play in charity games and testimonials, but not corporate events or games involving some financial kick-backs for himself.

Seems to be a hell of a lot of making it up as you going along happening. But I guess that's typical of the weak-kneed ACB and their subsidiaries, who refuse to view any anti-social behaviours by their own players as warranting any serious attention.

Shane, for his part, could have done his time with far more dignity too. And I'm not just talking about his inability to keep his doodle in his pants for 5 minutes.

Maybe he should have swallowed his pride, ala Justin Charles, been a real man, copped up to the thing instead of incriminating his bloody mother for God's sake, and devoted his 12 month absence from cricket to promoting the anti-drugs-in-sport message. You know, travelling around the schools, doing some ads, becoming a media front for the cause etc..

But instead, he persists with his holier-than-thou, denial-of-responsibility attitude to the whole matter, and maintaining his stance, as always, that the only REAL mistake that he's ever made is just getting caught in the first place.

 

[dr nick]

*bookmark*

post of the year.