Warnock

[THE STING2]

Warnock should never be in our calculations when we have no injuries in defence. And in a perfect world, we wouldn't have him at all, because we would have some Matthew Scarlet clones, a few Brian Lake's (circa 2009-10) and a Stephen Silvagni waiting on the sidelines incase on of our top 6 defenders (who are better than the aforementioned) got injured. Tough t***ies, we don't live in a perfect world, we do need a stand in defender, our youth are neither big nor experienced enough to do the job, and throwing them in now will either lead to injuries or problems with their development where they either grow to feel like they're indispensable because of their youth or grow to think they're shithouse because their arse is handed to them every game by Nick Reiwoldt, Jonathan Brown, Lance Franklin and eventually their own granny.

Well done Bails, I can see why we are so ****ed. Couldn't be any more short sighted if you tried.

Warnock doesn't get games for a reason, it's because he let's us down more often than not. He's a list clogger, we have no one to replace his position do we? Frawley 2nd best full back in the league last year and Rivers who kept the in form Waite under control. They will only need to be the third defender.

We currently have Warnock, Rivers and MacDonald in the side and we wonder why we can't get any run out of defence!

We should be going a lot smaller and bring in players like Blease etc who could possibly give us more run. MacDonald gets used as the 3rd tall until he stuffs up, being Warnock's twin it's only a matter of time. Then you bring in McDonald or Davis and if they don't cut it then you improvise. I would use Martin, Howe, Dunn, Watts maybe even Jurrah before I'd use Warnock.

The only time I would use Newton, Warnock and Bate if they literally the only talls left.

You should put a c on the front of your name considering how much you are in love with them.

 

[Logger]

Well done Bails, I can see why we are so ****ed. Couldn't be any more short sighted if you tried.

Short-sighted? I'm talking about the next 2 years, you're talking about our team last week!

We currently have Warnock, Rivers and MacDonald in the side and we wonder why we can't get any run out of defence!

We currently have Scully, Trengove, Bail, Grimes, Garland, Bartram, Tapscott, Davey, Dunn, Jamar and Wonnaeamirri out of the side and you wonder why Warnock is in?! Let alone why we can't get any run out of defence!

I would use Martin, Howe, Dunn, Watts maybe even Jurrah before I'd use Warnock.

Now I know that you're joking. Martin and maybe Dunn, fair enough. Watts in an emergency, possibly but if I might be so bold, Bailey hasn't exactly been universally praised for utilising this "Band Aid Solution" has he? Ok, now Howe, who has played exclusively in the forward line for Tasmanian League teams in the past and has only just got the chance in the midfield in the last 2 weeks, you want him to play a key defensive position? Jurrah?!? He barely gives a contest unless the ball is kicked to a spot 4 feet over his opponant's head! Sure he's exciting, but he's the worst defensive player in our entire team! How would you react if Bailey actually did this? Why, you'd scream about how useless he is, of course!

The only time I would use Newton, Warnock and Bate if they literally the only talls left.

Like now? The tallest uninjured players not playing are:
-Lucas Cook - Full Forward - 1st year - 196cm, 81kg
-Tom McDonald - Ruckman/forward - 1st year - 194cm, 84kg
-Troy Davis - Forward/Defender - 1st year - 192cm, 90kg
as opposed to:
-Matthew Warnock - Full Back - 6th year - 194cm, 95kg
-Matthew Bate - Full Forward - 6th year - 192cm, 91kg
-Michael Newton - Full Forward/Ruckman - 5th year - 193cm, 91kg
Now I'm not saying any of the above are any good at all, but compared to the first year, undeveloped, inexperiance beanpoles who are currently not showing anything at all in the VFL, they are who I would want on hand to plug gaping holes caused by injury. Watts has shown us that players like Cook take 3 years at least before they even start to show anything at all. And you would want to throw him to the Collingwood press? That'll do wonders for his confidence!

I don't think Warnock is a good AFL player by any means, I think that he's the only real stop-gap option until our younger talent overtakes him. Sometimes, if you have a lot of injuries, you need a lot of band aids. It's the way things are.

You should put a c on the front of your name considering how much you are in love with them.

Smooth. A pun-based personal dig at my name and insinuation about my sexuality. The textbook finishing manouever of a mature individual?

 

[THE STING2]

Short-sighted? I'm talking about the next 2 years, you're talking about our team last week!


We currently have Scully, Trengove, Bail, Grimes, Garland, Bartram, Tapscott, Davey, Dunn, Jamar and Wonnaeamirri out of the side and you wonder why Warnock is in?! Let alone why we can't get any run out of defence!


Smooth. A pun-based personal dig at my name and insinuation about my sexuality. The textbook finishing manouever of a mature individual?

Yeah I think we shouldn't blood any youngsters for 2 years, they may get hurt or lose confidence, wrap them in cotton wool. Is this Balme ?

Secondly we can have our whole best 22 out and I would still be wondering why Warnock is in the side.

Thirdly, it wasn't a personal dig. It was all about football, nothing outside of it. I just can't understand how anyone can stick by Warnock with the crap he has dished up the last 2 years.

 

[AFL is Number One]

I hate to say I told you so but the bloke is an absolute dud that was always going to cost us a chance of winning the game. He cost us 2 goals and should of been a third when the game had to be tight. Thank god he was subbed, stop playing these twits Bailey and bring in the kids.

**** Morton off for a packet of twisties and Newton is an embarrassment to the game.

Could not have said it better me self Sting2.

In our side we currently have 4 spuds that come straight out of the top drawer of Quality Spuds.

"Goose" Newton , "Sticks" Morton , "Bluey" Bate .... and My Mate Warnock,: who learnt all his skills from the legendary "Big Al" Nicholson, and has become his clone.

Those clearing kicks from "Big Al" Warnock, lace out on the chest of his mates sitting in the grandstand were centimeter perfect.

Get rid of 'em all....FFS.

 

[MAXIMUM GRUNDAGE]

Have mercy please. Aren't Bruce and PJ enough?

You forgot about Kyle Cheney.

 

[eskimo]

So....let me get this right -

Warnock shouldn't play, even though we have injuries and no other talls?
The club realizes this, drafts talls and starts developing them, but according to you, we should not have drafted the talls?

If you are gunna troll, at least be consistent

 

[THE STING2]

So....let me get this right -

Warnock shouldn't play, even though we have injuries and no other talls?
The club realizes this, drafts talls and starts developing them, but according to you, we should not have drafted the talls?

If you are gunna troll, at least be consistent

Firstly we do have talls, McDonald, Howe, Davis and Cook except for Davis they have played in the VFL all year.

If they pissed off Warnock like they should have then going for a tall backman would probably be ok, 2 was always unnecessary.

They have gone about it the wrong way. It's a midfielders game, Collingwood and Geelong prove it year in, year out. Midfielders especially line breaking midfielders should of been a priority. Our midfield was poor last year even with the likes of McDonald and Scully.

Until we can get our midfield near the standard of Geelong or Collingwood there will be no use for quality key backman or quality key forwards because it won't matter how good a backman you are, you won't be able to stop the onslaught and as a forward you won't get the opportunities.

What's the bet that they go for quick midfielders who are hard at the ball, can tackle and can also play a bit up forward, a small forward with tackling pressure will be thrown in too?

 

[CaptainDavey]

Firstly we do have talls, McDonald, Howe, Davis and Cook except for Davis they have played in the VFL all year.

If they pissed off Warnock like they should have then going for a tall backman would probably be ok, 2 was always unnecessary.

They have gone about it the wrong way. It's a midfielders game, Collingwood and Geelong prove it year in, year out. Midfielders especially line breaking midfielders should of been a priority. Our midfield was poor last year even with the likes of McDonald and Scully.

Until we can get our midfield near the standard of Geelong or Collingwood there will be no use for quality key backman or quality key forwards because it won't matter how good a backman you are, you won't be able to stop the onslaught and as a forward you won't get the opportunities.

What's the bet that they go for quick midfielders who are hard at the ball, can tackle and can also play a bit up forward, a small forward with tackling pressure will be thrown in too?

I think you're looking at it the wrong way. Both Geelong and Collingwood have stellar midfields but that doesn't mean to suggest that their KPP's are average. The likes of Travis Cloke, Chris Dawes, Nathan Brown, Nick Maxwell, Ben Reid, Simon Prestigiacomo and even Leigh Brown were incredibly valuable for the Pies in their rise to the top. I don't believe you can have one without the other.

Hawthorn had Franklin, Roughead, Croad, Gilham. All quality KPP's.
Geelong had the luxury of Scarlett, Mooney, Harley, Taylor. Again, all quality KPP's.

The Bulldogs have shown that without competent KPP's it's not likely they'll go the distance in a finals campaign. True they've made several preliminary finals, but you can't win a flag with a sole reliance on short people. The only team that really springs to mind that won a flag without quality tall targets is I think West Coast. And even then it could have gone either way.

I see what you're trying to say. And I don't blame you for placing an emphasis on midfielders. Once upon a time, big marking goal-kicking forwards were the most noticeable players on the field. And nowadays, midfielders are seen by the majority as the most important players, which I believe is due to the meteoric rise of statistics and importance placed on statistics as a measure of a players talent. But we shouldn't disregard a team structure just to get as many midfielders rotating into the game as much as possible. Football is very much a fundamental's game. Gameplans will change but you'll always, always need a key position spine, which is just as important as any other player on the team

 

[THE STING2]

I think you're looking at it the wrong way. Both Geelong and Collingwood have stellar midfields but that doesn't mean to suggest that their KPP's are average. The likes of Travis Cloke, Chris Dawes, Nathan Brown, Nick Maxwell, Ben Reid, Simon Prestigiacomo and even Leigh Brown were incredibly valuable for the Pies in their rise to the top. I don't believe you can have one without the other.

Hawthorn had Franklin, Roughead, Croad, Gilham. All quality KPP's.
Geelong had the luxury of Scarlett, Mooney, Harley, Taylor. Again, all quality KPP's.

The Bulldogs have shown that without competent KPP's it's not likely they'll go the distance in a finals campaign. True they've made several preliminary finals, but you can't win a flag with a sole reliance on short people. The only team that really springs to mind that won a flag without quality tall targets is I think West Coast. And even then it could have gone either way.

I see what you're trying to say. And I don't blame you for placing an emphasis on midfielders. Once upon a time, big marking goal-kicking forwards were the most noticeable players on the field. And nowadays, midfielders are seen by the majority as the most important players, which I believe is due to the meteoric rise of statistics and importance placed on statistics as a measure of a players talent. But we shouldn't disregard a team structure just to get as many midfielders rotating into the game as much as possible. Football is very much a fundamental's game. Gameplans will change but you'll always, always need a key position spine, which is just as important as any other player on the team

I like this one. You have put some thought into and I congradulate you on that, a lot better than the your a troll crap that I get.

There is no doubt that you need a structure. Did you notice a bit of a common theme with a lot of those players you mentioned especially with Collingwood? They came into the side late. Nathan Brown didn't come in until the Grand Final, Leigh Brown got dropped after the QB clash and Dawes wasn't a regular until after the QB clash, Reid wasn't even heard of before last year. Obviously Jolly and Ball made a big difference to them as well. Personally I see them as the missing pieces they had a main core of midfielders and running backman something I think we lack.

You can say that about Geelong a little bit as well with Taylor. Especially down back we have this structure anyway. Frawley and Garland are doing their job and Rivers who the club loves, only injuries will get the McDonald's and Davis's in the team and that's not even mentioning the fact that our cloggers in Warnock and MacDonald are getting games ahead of them.

Our forward line is Bulldogs like pinning our hopes on skinny kids, look at Collingwood's and Geelong's talls they are animals. I think we are predicting too far ahead with these kids.

I think the Bulldogs have showed everybody how not to draft. All the emphasis on grabbing key talls they have neglected their midfield. After Cooney, Griffen and their honest goers in Boyd and Cross they haven't got much after that, hopefully for them Higgins, Ward, Liberatore and Wallis can come on but that is still nowhere near enough depth to compete with the best. I don't think Hawthorn have the depth either but at least they still have match winners that will get them over the line more often than not unlike the Bulldogs.

 

[Chip_]

The Bulldogs have shown that without competent KPP's it's not likely they'll go the distance in a finals campaign. True they've made several preliminary finals, but you can't win a flag with a sole reliance on short people. The only team that really springs to mind that won a flag without quality tall targets is I think West Coast. And even then it could have gone either way.

That's not correct. Of course there's Cox, but you're forgetting Glass who was AA in '06 at Full Back, Lynch, while many think is a spud, kicked 65 goal in their premiership year. They also had Hunter & Hansen, both of who played career best seasons in the premiership year. Not the best ever, but with a strong midfield they were good enough

But that makes your point even stronger, no team has won a flag without decent talls.

 

[Demon 86]

I think the Bulldogs have showed everybody how not to draft. All the emphasis on grabbing key talls they have neglected their midfield. After Cooney, Griffen and their honest goers in Boyd and Cross they haven't got much after that, hopefully for them Higgins, Ward, Liberatore and Wallis can come on but that is still nowhere near enough depth to compete with the best. I don't think Hawthorn have the depth either but at least they still have match winners that will get them over the line more often than not unlike the Bulldogs.

Boyd is much more than an 'honest trier'- he is quality.

Cooney, Boyd, Cross, Griffen, Higgins, Ward, Libba (gun), Wallis, Picken, Sherman and to a lesser extent Addison, Moles and Vezspremi.

That's an alright group to work with imo...

I think the dogs midfield is looking alright moving forward.

 

[THE STING2]

Boyd is much more than an 'honest trier'- he is quality.

Cooney, Boyd, Cross, Griffen, Higgins, Ward, Libba (gun), Wallis, Picken, Sherman and to a lesser extent Addison, Moles and Vezspremi.

That's an alright group to work with imo...

I think the dogs midfield is looking alright moving forward.

The last 5 you mentioned are absolute shit. If there midfield is going great then so is ours.

 

[THE STING2]

Boyd is much more than an 'honest trier'- he is quality.

Boyd is a B grader that has to be used like an A grader because most of their midfielders don't stand up, he's a better version of Moloney.

 

[Demon 86]

Didn't say they were going great- but think there are worse midfield groups out there.

 

[THE STING2]

Didn't say they were going great- but think there are worse midfield groups out there.

Yeah! OURS!

 

[Demon 86]

Ours now- definitely.

Ours moving forward- no.

There are a lot of players who will make some dramatic improvement over the next few years which will help us immensely.

But anyway this thread is going off-topic- WARNOCK SUCKS! That's better