Mega Thread WCE: When is the first win? How do we fix this mess? Can we see any improvement at all?

[BSD]

v Melb

the 3rd qtr melb kicked 7.5 to 2.0

but the rest of the game was about 9 goals each.

Just struggling to stop momentum which is understandable when you can get the ball.

some signs though

That must have been the qtr that Turnover Turkey Tom Coles turnovers cost us 4 goals

 

[Scotland]

LOL @ buying a plane.

NBA teams can do that because they have rosters of 12-15 players and are billion dollar organisations.

AFL clubs operate in a world where if Qantas/Virgin could offer 50 business class seats it wouldn't just automatically be approved.

 

[WCErevival]

We could possibly get Harley rocking up to games in one of these. Or Gepp.

 

[Bender_]

We could possibly get Harley rocking up to games in one of these. Or Gepp.

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Reckon we bring in Hewett in the old Bat Mobile too.

 

[Rowan18]

LOL @ buying a plane.

NBA teams can do that because they have rosters of 12-15 players and are billion dollar organisations.

AFL clubs operate in a world where if Qantas/Virgin could offer 50 business class seats it wouldn't just automatically be approved.

My brother in law works for a small mining consultancy (around 10 people) and pointed out to me that they made a similar profit to West Coast last year. Really puts into perspective how small time the AFL is.

 

[Scotland]

My brother in law works for a small mining consultancy (around 10 people) and pointed out to me that they made a similar profit to West Coast last year. Really puts into perspective how small time the AFL is.

The AFL is a billion dollar organisation overall and the clubs turn over tens of millions a year but footy is a minnow compared to the US, UK and Europe. Players are well paid compared to the average Joe, but there are way more people getting paid the average AFL salary outside the AFL compared to inside. If you a highly paid doctor or lawyer or whatever you also don't have to retire at 35 and find something else to do. Average salaries in the EPL are GBP3-4m a year and the top players get 20m. If you are getting tens or even hundreds of thousands of pounds a week money stops being a consideration.

The NBA veteran's minimum is $2.2m a year, so about $3.3m in our money. They talk about max contract players making $60m a year and that being generational money, but someone like JaVale McGee has bounced around the league for 15 years earning mostly minimum deals and has career earnings of $80m. Gary Ablett Jr and Buddy Franklin would've made $10m+ but there's a reason that Will Schofield and Xavier Ellis are doing radio and TV and podcasts. Playing in the AFL affords you a great life but it's not 100 ft yachts in Monaco territory.

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

But if you play your cards right you can score yourself a couple of HJs franchises, so it's not all doom and gloom really.

 

[Scotland]

I'm more of a farm down the coast kind of guy myself.

 

[ioppolo]

We are marginally better but the rot is still there, it all starts with the centre bounce and clearance which we have to be the worst of all time. Get a dominant Ruck and things will change quickly I think.

Who's worth targetting at this point? And how much money are we willing to spend?

 

[shoutsatclouds]

But if you play your cards right you can score yourself a couple of HJs franchises, so it's not all doom and gloom really.

Came for the Footy, stayed for the pickles…

 

[jdisc]

what's with all the talk of buying a plane? it would sit on the tarmac for 2 weeks? we going to park it in front of the opposition goal?

 

[jdisc]

LOL @ buying a plane.

NBA teams can do that because they have rosters of 12-15 players and are billion dollar organisations.

AFL clubs operate in a world where if Qantas/Virgin could offer 50 business class seats it wouldn't just automatically be approved.

most NBA teams don't have planes, the NBA owns a fleet of 321N that are operated by Delta

not to mention a basketball team has 5 players on the field, not 18

 

[SloppyJoe]

Can you explain what you mean?

AFL licenses are issued by the AFL, and held by different entities for each club. For the WA clubs, these licenses are held by the WAFC. Vic clubs are independent and club is controlled by voting members.

I think only GC and GWS are owned by the AFL.

What am I misunderstanding?
Is the AFL solely trying to take over the WA club licenses while leaving the Vic & SA clubs as well a Brisbane and Sydney in peace?

This got me looking at the licence ownership situation. Some may interested in this:

Kicking the governance football – How does your AFL club compare? - Governance Institute of Australia

www.governanceinstitute.com.au

 

[Mick63]

The AFL is a billion dollar organisation overall and the clubs turn over tens of millions a year but footy is a minnow compared to the US, UK and Europe. Players are well paid compared to the average Joe, but there are way more people getting paid the average AFL salary outside the AFL compared to inside. If you a highly paid doctor or lawyer or whatever you also don't have to retire at 35 and find something else to do. Average salaries in the EPL are GBP3-4m a year and the top players get 20m. If you are getting tens or even hundreds of thousands of pounds a week money stops being a consideration.

The NBA veteran's minimum is $2.2m a year, so about $3.3m in our money. They talk about max contract players making $60m a year and that being generational money, but someone like JaVale McGee has bounced around the league for 15 years earning mostly minimum deals and has career earnings of $80m. Gary Ablett Jr and Buddy Franklin would've made $10m+ but there's a reason that Will Schofield and Xavier Ellis are doing radio and TV and podcasts. Playing in the AFL affords you a great life but it's not 100 ft yachts in Monaco territory.

Had a debate with a mate a few years ago: he reckoned any AFL player who’s cracked 200 games would never need to work again. LOL.

Bringing up Schoey is actually the perfect example to prove that wrong. He was in the system for 14 years, played 194 games, won a flag, yet he’s still hustling with podcasts, merch, media gigs and other ventures just to keep things rolling.

Sure his footy profile opened those doors, but I he’s not doing it purely for fun, he's still working. I wouldn't imagine he could sit around living off dividends from investments made during his career.

 

[eaglesfan84]

Gee, we're shit. But I am seeing some promise. And we're going to be playing some shit teams. A lot of them at home.

Round 5 - Carlton - Gather Round nup.
Round 6 - Essendon - Optus Stadium nup.
Round 7 - Hawthorn - Marvel Stadium nup.
Round 8 - Melbourne - Optus Stadium nup.
Round 9 - Richmond - MCG
Round 10 - St Kilda - Optus Stadium
Round 11 - Adelaide Crows - Adelaide Oval
Round 12 - Geelong Cats - Optus Stadium
Round 13 - North Melbourne - Bunno
Round 14 - Carlton - Optus Stadium
Round 15 - Collingwood - Marvel Stadium
Round 17 - GWS GIANTS - Optus Stadium
Round 18 - Port Adelaide - Adelaide Oval
Round 19 - Richmond - Optus Stadium
Round 20 - Fremantle - Optus Stadium
Round 21 - Melbourne - Marvel Stadium
Round 22 - Adelaide Crows - Optus Stadium
Round 23 - Western Bulldogs - Marvel Stadium
Round 24 - Sydney Swans - Optus Stadium

At home:
Round 6 - Essendon - Optus Stadium nup.
Round 8 - Melbourne - Optus Stadium
Round 10 - St Kilda - Optus Stadium
Round 13 - North Melbourne - Bunno
Round 19 - Richmond - Optus Stadium

Away:
Round 9 - Richmond - MCG

We might get 4 wins for the season. Maybe 3 of those 6 and pull another out of our arse from somewhere else.

I'm liking one of Essendon (R6) or Melbourne (R8) for first win. Brad Scott and Goodwin are both cooked. Both getting sacked this year.

We might beat Richmond or Freo later in the year, but that's it, maybe one win for the season, otherwise none.

Depending on how Mini progresses from here, he may not be coach by the end of the season.

He needs to stop chopping and changing his line ups and positions. Needs to focus on the younger players. Needs to teach the mids to shark oppo ruck taps and shut down oppo mids rather than trying to go head to head, until we get a better, more dominant ruckman.

Hough needs to go back down back. Kelly needs to be permanently replaced in midfield with Hall/Gross/Grego. Harley/Owies needs some time in the WAFL, maybe also Maric, Baker and Graham. Give more games to Davis/Champion/Dewar/Johnston/Long. Would even rather see Petch in over Baker/Graham/Owies/Kelly atm. These guys win some footy a bit more than some others but they're usage is disastrous, it's probably a net negative impact, would rather kids in there getting experience, we're going to get belted anyways.

 

[lusheslewis]

Baker to the WAFL?

 

[daddy_4_eyes]

We might beat Richmond or Freo later in the year, but that's it, maybe one win for the season, otherwise none.

Depending on how Mini progresses from here, he may not be coach by the end of the season.

He needs to stop chopping and changing his line ups and positions. Needs to focus on the younger players. Needs to teach the mids to shark oppo ruck taps and shut down oppo mids rather than trying to go head to head, until we get a better, more dominant ruckman.

Hough needs to go back down back. Kelly needs to be permanently replaced in midfield with Hall/Gross/Grego. Harley/Owies needs some time in the WAFL, maybe also Maric, Baker and Graham. Give more games to Davis/Champion/Dewar/Johnston/Long. Would even rather see Petch in over Baker/Graham/Owies/Kelly atm. These guys win some footy a bit more than some others but they're usage is disastrous, it's probably a net negative impact, would rather kids in there getting experience, we're going to get belted anyways.

If Mini gets the sack before seasons end, we need to hire this guy.
He's got the answers.

 

[Cuzz09]

Harley heading to the MCG this weekend...

 

[javaguice]

Wont win til Yeo is back....thats next year now isnt it?

 

[Woutizmoo]

We might beat Richmond or Freo later in the year, but that's it, maybe one win for the season, otherwise none.

Depending on how Mini progresses from here, he may not be coach by the end of the season.

He needs to stop chopping and changing his line ups and positions. Needs to focus on the younger players. Needs to teach the mids to shark oppo ruck taps and shut down oppo mids rather than trying to go head to head, until we get a better, more dominant ruckman.

Hough needs to go back down back. Kelly needs to be permanently replaced in midfield with Hall/Gross/Grego. Harley/Owies needs some time in the WAFL, maybe also Maric, Baker and Graham. Give more games to Davis/Champion/Dewar/Johnston/Long. Would even rather see Petch in over Baker/Graham/Owies/Kelly atm. These guys win some footy a bit more than some others but they're usage is disastrous, it's probably a net negative impact, would rather kids in there getting experience, we're going to get belted anyways.

Yeah... nah... there is a lot of change that has happened to the organization in the last year. Coach, list manager, ceo, football manager, gameplan. they'll be given a couple of years to get the new coaches, list and gameplan in shape before there is any talk of sacking

 

[bzparkes]

We might beat Richmond or Freo later in the year, but that's it, maybe one win for the season, otherwise none.

Depending on how Mini progresses from here, he may not be coach by the end of the season.

He needs to stop chopping and changing his line ups and positions. Needs to focus on the younger players. Needs to teach the mids to shark oppo ruck taps and shut down oppo mids rather than trying to go head to head, until we get a better, more dominant ruckman.

Hough needs to go back down back. Kelly needs to be permanently replaced in midfield with Hall/Gross/Grego. Harley/Owies needs some time in the WAFL, maybe also Maric, Baker and Graham. Give more games to Davis/Champion/Dewar/Johnston/Long. Would even rather see Petch in over Baker/Graham/Owies/Kelly atm. These guys win some footy a bit more than some others but they're usage is disastrous, it's probably a net negative impact, would rather kids in there getting experience, we're going to get belted anyways.

Never have I seen so much delusion in one post.

 

[swingdog]

what's with all the talk of buying a plane? it would sit on the tarmac for 2 weeks? we going to park it in front of the opposition goal?

Share with Freo. Charter it, but stop sticking athletes who’ve just played a 2 hour match into Virgin economy.

 

[ashstores]

Never have I seen so much delusion in one post.

What's delusional about it?

 

[bzparkes]

What's delusional about it?

Who's alt is this?

 

[Rowan18]

Had a debate with a mate a few years ago: he reckoned any AFL player who’s cracked 200 games would never need to work again. LOL.

Bringing up Schoey is actually the perfect example to prove that wrong. He was in the system for 14 years, played 194 games, won a flag, yet he’s still hustling with podcasts, merch, media gigs and other ventures just to keep things rolling.

Sure his footy profile opened those doors, but I he’s not doing it purely for fun, he's still working. I wouldn't imagine he could sit around living off dividends from investments made during his career.

He probably didn't save enough to get investments. Let's just say he averaged $300k a year (probably on a lot less to start, got a pretty good contract for his peak but not A grade money and was on peanuts at the end).

He probably loses 10% to his manager, so now he's on $270k average. Then if he splashed a bit of cash (nothing crazy), let's say he was spending $200k before tax on living expenses. That leaves him left with $70k before tax, and after paying top tax brack and Medicare levy, he's got about $35k in the bank at the end of the year. After 12 years playing, he's lucky if he banked $500k.

No wonder he's still working. I doubt he was as disciplined as what I outlined above and I may have been too generous with his career average.