We are causing our own flood up forward.

[madtiger2005]

As I've mentioned a few times over the last few weeks. Our forward line is poorly structured and it's costing us several goals a game and it has cost us a couple of wins. Why did Tivendale play on at half forward? Because he had no good option to kick to. There must have been about 15 players in the forward 50 when he had the ball. He really should have bombed the ball, but that probably would have been rebounded by the Roos anyway. Half the time we enter the 50, there are almost 20 players in the arc. How are we supposed to lead and mark? If you watch our game properly, watch where Richo, Krakouer and Campbell(assuming they are the full forward and pockets) stand when the ball is bounced in the middle. It's quite annoying to watch. They stand in the middle of the arc, which has cut their leading space in half. Why? I wouldn't have a clue and it is a stupid tactic.

Richo usually stands about 25 out straight in front, Kraqouer in a similar spot but 30m to Richos left and same for Campbell on the right. It's even worse when Stafford is at full forward, because Campbell will act as another small forward and he also stands in the 50, but close the CHF. When the ball is coming forward our half forwards without the ball run back towards goal and their opponent follow them. So that means there are a bunch of players around the 50m arc and most likely a loose opposition defender. These aren't leading targets, but Krakouer, Richo and cambo are. But since they start their lead 25m out from goal, they only have a small amount of space to lead. This means our player with the ball will have to chip the ball up a bit to get it over the players around the 50m arc and into the leading forward. But if you chip the ball, it gives the opposition defenders time time punch the ball away. This is alot worse when the the player coming forward with the ball has marked and has to stop and kick over the man on the mark. It gives time for opposition defenders to move into the arc.

Alot of the time, the player who is kicking forward will hesistate to kick to such poor options and then it's too late, the forward line is flooded and Richo will go for half hearted leads because he know it's useless. All this could be fixed if Richo, Krakouer and Campbell(assuming they are the full forward and pockets) actually stood right near the goal line and stayed there until the ball was 70m out from goal coming forward. That will give them an extra 20m at least to make a lead. Melbourne did this against us. Their 3 forwards had the whole 50m arc to themselves and they had it easy. By playing like this, the player coming forward with ball will see Richo and Krak or Cambo with a break and he will not hesitate to kick straight away and he will be able to kick long and low. Richo has pace and will get it 9 times out of 10. Richo and Cambo could go for leads, while Krak could crumb where the ball will go. Or Cambo could crumb and Krak lead, depending on which side the ball is.

I am totally confused and annoyed about why our forwards do not stand in the goalsquare. Is this Terrys idea? Is it David Kings? Or are our players just not thinking and not following instructions up forward? We contribute to our own flood and we deserve to loose against clubs we should beat like we have in the last 2 weeks. All the forwards have to do is stand 20m closer to goal at every centre bounce and we will have a functional forward line and will kick more goals. It is so simple it's not funny. We won't need our half forwards running into 50m trying to offer leads in an already flooded forward line. The only time we would have one player run into 50 is when Staff plays at FF. Imagine Richo and Krak leading from the pockets, Staff standing in the square as a marking target and one of our half forwards running back towards goal into the space left by Staff who doesn't lead.

Every week I see us play from the top stand and it's too obvious what our forwards are doing wrong. It's a shame, because the midfielders and defenders work hard enough getting the ball down there. If we played smartly up forward, we would have won the last 2 weeks even with all the skill errors included. We would have given Melbourne a much better run for their money too. I wrote into Wallace about this and I hope he fixes the simple problem and stop frustrating the fans

 

[IDGAF]

I wouldn't have a clue .... stupid

Yep

How long have you been working on that MT ?

 

[madtiger2005]

u are proving how dumb you are IDGAF. Have you got a brain?

 

[IDGAF]

u are proving how dumb you are IDGAF. Have you got a brain?

LMAO MT

Looking up the bible at the minute to see if Noah left a blueprint to build an ark ..... but not just any ark...... this one will have to be able to withstand 40 days of consistent bullschit .

All tiger supporters will be marched on there two by two

 

[JohnF]

lmfaoo IDGAF.

Madness, your game plan is easily thwarted by the opposition playing a loose man in the backline that hovers 30/40m out from our goals and stops all leads.

The bottom line is that you have to pass accurately and the forwards have to quick accurately for goal. If both of those things happen the result will look after itself, tactics and structural positioning notwithstanding.

 

[madtiger2005]

That's rubbish JohnF. There is pretty much always a loose man in defence whichever way our forward line is setup and the way we currently play attracts flood, so having our 3 deep forwards stand in the goal square will only inprove our goal scoring chances. A loose man cannot take on 2 leads and a crumber. Our current play up forward is definately the wrong way to go about it. You saying that players like Pettifer, Tuck, Simmonds, Tivendale etc don't have the skills to kick the ball 40m to Richo on a lead 5m ahead of his opponent? I guess you would prefer us to bomb the ball to a pack of 20 players. lol

 

[JohnF]

Richo is pretty much the only player in our forward line that can offer a strong lead and the players in the pockets can't. Flankers and pocket players like Krakouer, Pettifer, Campbell, never offer strong leads. Therefore the loose man can always stand in front of Richo and let the flankers' opponents take care of themselves.

And yes I am suggesting that the skills of our forwards and our midfielders isn't up to scratch, which is why we found ourselves squandering opportunity after opportunity on the weekend.

 

[madtiger2005]

no one can offer a strong lead inside the forward 50 the way we play. There is no room usually. Richo offers most of his strong leads outside 50. Sometimes we have space up forward, but not often. I bet you Petts and Krak would provide leads if they had the space, but so often there is no use even bothering in the congestion.

 

[Harvey Leadpipe]

We have seen on occasions Krak and Pettifer try to present in the forward line. The bottom line is, neither are strong enough to hold their position against opposition defenders. Many a time has the ball been delivered to these sort of players, to watch them be outmarked or have the ball punched away and run out of our attack quite easily. Hence, Richo is sought after most of the time. Krak is more useful here than Petts, as he is at least a handy tackler, and can put some sort of pressure on the oppositions defence. He is also more useful than Petts in that he can be creative when the ball hits the deck, although he doesn't damage the opposition all the time. JohnF is correct, a loose man in defence is all that's needed to block Richo's run or double team him, as more often than not the opposition defenders will negate our small forwards.

Disclaimer: This obviously doesn't apply to Browny.

 

[JohnF]

We have seen on occasions Krak and Pettifer try to present in the forward line. The bottom line is, neither are strong enough to hold their position against opposition defenders. Many a time has the ball been delivered to these sort of players, to watch them be outmarked or have the ball punched away and run out of our attack quite easily. Hence, Richo is sought after most of the time. Krak is more useful here than Petts, as he is at least a handy tackler, and can put some sort of pressure on the oppositions defence. He is also more useful than Petts in that he can be creative when the ball hits the deck, although he doesn't damage the opposition all the time. JohnF is correct, a loose man in defence is all that's needed to block Richo's run or double team him, as more often than not the opposition defenders will negate our small forwards.

Disclaimer: This obviously doesn't apply to Browny.

Exactly HL. MT's plan would work if we had the likes of Browny, Russell Robertson, or an O'Loughlin in the forward line but with the cattle we've got our flankers and pockets can't make strong leads. Matters aren't helped by severely lacking a presence at CHF. Simmonds and Schulz have so far failed to make the most of this position.

Our best bet is to use the ball smartly and hit our targets when we get the chance. Our execution is our biggest worry.

Agree that the likes of Krakouer do most of their damage when the ball hits the deck and the likes of Pettifer are best suited to getting the recieve and pinging them from the 50 metre arc.

 

[madtiger2005]

pettifer is usually on the flank, while cambo, krak, deledio play in the pockets. All of these guys can offer a lead in an open forward line, but the problem is we never have an open forward line. John and Harvey are saying we don't have the players to do this, but look at our scores this season. We obviously have the players to kick goals and the way to kick goals as a forward is to lead, which we do, but we don't lead from the right spot. Whether our forwards lead from the goal square or from 25m out, there will still be a loose opposition defender. How can you not say that will be better off with more room to lead? I'm sure we would kick an extra 4 or 5 goals with an open forward line, compared to a flooded one. When we played Melbourne, Ben Holland kicked 2 goals just from leading from the goal square. Holland is as slow as a snail. But he had the advantage of knowing when and where to lead, so he had 5m on his opponent very quickly. Krak proved he can lead and mark against Carlton. If these players are given the space, they will get the ball

 

[Sealen]

Madtiger I read what you wrote and I do feel you are on the right track. However, I dont think you should count Krakouer as a "leading forward", he needs to be at Richardsons feet.

Also, I dont think some of the midfielders have understood the concept of kicking into space.. the good teams like Melbourne don't have to rely on taking contested marks [Fact: Richardson was +9 contested marks than the next best player at the start of last round] because they have players who can kick into the path of the leading targets. I am not sure if some of our players have the skill or the smarts to be able to pull this off.

 

[IDGAF]

Madtiger I read what you wrote and I do feel you are on the right track. However, I dont think you should count Krakouer as a "leading forward", he needs to be at Richardsons feet.

Also, I dont think some of the midfielders have understood the concept of kicking into space.. the good teams like Melbourne don't have to rely on taking contested marks [Fact: Richardson was +9 contested marks than the next best player at the start of last round] because they have players who can kick into the path of the leading targets. I am not sure if some of our players have the skill or the smarts to be able to pull this off.

LMAO every time i see that avatar

 

[madtiger2005]

If you read the original post to my thread, it says Krak would crumb of the the player that the ball is kicked to, unless the ball is on kraks side of the ground, the he could lead and cambo could crumb instead. But krak has proven he can lead and mark. Our forward line never had space during the Frawley years for the same reasons as it is now, but at least Wallace knows how to run the ball from defence to the forward line and to win the ball out of the middle. Anyone can lead and mark with space to run. I hope to see us get it right very soon. If we keep playing this way up forward, we will continue to lose some games we can win and will will struggle against the strong teams. This is the reason why we needed players like Brown and Richo to get us over the line in games. I expected better of Wallace up forward though. Melbourne did it easily without Neitz when we played them because they played smart up forward. Anything is better than what we are currently doing

 

[oxx]

LMAOO@ Mad Tiger causing a flood up forward every time he get's excited.

 

[Sealen]

If you read the original post to my thread, it says Krak would crumb of the the player that the ball is kicked to, unless the ball is on kraks side of the ground, the he could lead and cambo could crumb instead. But krak has proven he can lead and mark. Our forward line never had space during the Frawley years for the same reasons as it is now, but at least Wallace knows how to run the ball from defence to the forward line and to win the ball out of the middle. Anyone can lead and mark with space to run. I hope to see us get it right very soon. If we keep playing this way up forward, we will continue to lose some games we can win and will will struggle against the strong teams. This is the reason why we needed players like Brown and Richo to get us over the line in games. I expected better of Wallace up forward though. Melbourne did it easily without Neitz when we played them because they played smart up forward. Anything is better than what we are currently doing

No, relying on a midget to kick all our goals could be worse

 

[madtiger2005]

he's just one of several options. Change your pic lol

 

[Sealen]

he's just one of several options. Change your pic lol

I was refering to hardcore whorethorn. Since you've been a good sport, I'll change it a bit later when I get some free time after I get more work done.

 

[IDGAF]

he's just one of several options. Change your pic lol

C`mon MT let him keep it , thats the funniest thing i have seen on here in ages

 

[tigertRANCE]

As I've mentioned a few times over the last few weeks. Our forward line is poorly structured and it's costing us several goals a game and it has cost us a couple of wins. Why did Tivendale play on at half forward? Because he had no good option to kick to. There must have been about 15 players in the forward 50 when he had the ball. He really should have bombed the ball, but that probably would have been rebounded by the Roos anyway. Half the time we enter the 50, there are almost 20 players in the arc. How are we supposed to lead and mark? If you watch our game properly, watch where Richo, Krakouer and Campbell(assuming they are the full forward and pockets) stand when the ball is bounced in the middle. It's quite annoying to watch. They stand in the middle of the arc, which has cut their leading space in half. Why? I wouldn't have a clue and it is a stupid tactic.

Richo usually stands about 25 out straight in front, Kraqouer in a similar spot but 30m to Richos left and same for Campbell on the right. It's even worse when Stafford is at full forward, because Campbell will act as another small forward and he also stands in the 50, but close the CHF. When the ball is coming forward our half forwards without the ball run back towards goal and their opponent follow them. So that means there are a bunch of players around the 50m arc and most likely a loose opposition defender. These aren't leading targets, but Krakouer, Richo and cambo are. But since they start their lead 25m out from goal, they only have a small amount of space to lead. This means our player with the ball will have to chip the ball up a bit to get it over the players around the 50m arc and into the leading forward. But if you chip the ball, it gives the opposition defenders time time punch the ball away. This is alot worse when the the player coming forward with the ball has marked and has to stop and kick over the man on the mark. It gives time for opposition defenders to move into the arc.

Alot of the time, the player who is kicking forward will hesistate to kick to such poor options and then it's too late, the forward line is flooded and Richo will go for half hearted leads because he know it's useless. All this could be fixed if Richo, Krakouer and Campbell(assuming they are the full forward and pockets) actually stood right near the goal line and stayed there until the ball was 70m out from goal coming forward. That will give them an extra 20m at least to make a lead. Melbourne did this against us. Their 3 forwards had the whole 50m arc to themselves and they had it easy. By playing like this, the player coming forward with ball will see Richo and Krak or Cambo with a break and he will not hesitate to kick straight away and he will be able to kick long and low. Richo has pace and will get it 9 times out of 10. Richo and Cambo could go for leads, while Krak could crumb where the ball will go. Or Cambo could crumb and Krak lead, depending on which side the ball is.

I am totally confused and annoyed about why our forwards do not stand in the goalsquare. Is this Terrys idea? Is it David Kings? Or are our players just not thinking and not following instructions up forward? We contribute to our own flood and we deserve to loose against clubs we should beat like we have in the last 2 weeks. All the forwards have to do is stand 20m closer to goal at every centre bounce and we will have a functional forward line and will kick more goals. It is so simple it's not funny. We won't need our half forwards running into 50m trying to offer leads in an already flooded forward line. The only time we would have one player run into 50 is when Staff plays at FF. Imagine Richo and Krak leading from the pockets, Staff standing in the square as a marking target and one of our half forwards running back towards goal into the space left by Staff who doesn't lead.

Every week I see us play from the top stand and it's too obvious what our forwards are doing wrong. It's a shame, because the midfielders and defenders work hard enough getting the ball down there. If we played smartly up forward, we would have won the last 2 weeks even with all the skill errors included. We would have given Melbourne a much better run for their money too. I wrote into Wallace about this and I hope he fixes the simple problem and stop frustrating the fans

Top post Madtiger. Our forward structure has been woeful since Browny was injured. Great observation.

GO TIGES!!!