We are still two drafts away...

[tugga]

Posted this in another thread, but I'll post it here as well:

Assuming we have six picks in the national draft (2, 17, 18, 33, 49, 65, and we'll pass on 81) and one pick in the pre-season draft and with Gaspar and Knobel already gone, that leaves five more to be culled.
Kingsley, Hartigan, Moore, Hall and pat Bowden all on thin ice.
That's pretty much it.
Guys like Tivendale, Krakouer, Hyde, Meyer will all probably stay.
We still have another two drafts minimum to get to even close to where we need to be.

 

[Don Logan]

Posted this in another thread, but I'll post it here as well:

Assuming we have six picks in the national draft (2, 17, 18, 33, 49, 65, and we'll pass on 81) and one pick in the pre-season draft and with Gaspar and Knobel already gone, that leaves five more to be culled.
Kingsley, Hartigan, Moore, Hall and pat Bowden all on thin ice.
That's pretty much it.
Guys like Tivendale, Krakouer, Hyde, Meyer will all probably stay.
We still have another two drafts minimum to get to even close to where we need to be.

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[LVAK]

I think by 2009-10 we will be much improved but I don't think we have any real chance of being top 4 until our current 24-28 y.o group have moved on .

Or should I say that age group from other teams have moved on or become less effective.

 

[Ah Cheung]

Yeah as much as some of us want to get rid of krak, tivers, hyde, white, etc, we cant cull more than 5-6 players per year.
I agree with Kingsley, Hartigan, Moore, and Hall, however the last spot will be interesting. I'll take a punt and say White (if hes not contracted for next year)

 

[Crumden]

Gaspar was on the vets list, so only creates a spot if Bowden goes on in his stead. And we eitehr have to promote Graham from the rookie list or delist him.
I posted this a couple of weeks ago

My guess is that Knobel, Hartigan, Kingsley, Krak and Hall will go, Graham will be promoted, King kept as a rookie to keep a spot free on the main list, Clingan kept as a rookie and Howat to go. That would leave us 4 picks in the draft and one in the psd. I think we could cut deeper but I don't think we will, unless the club makes the tougher calls on players like P Bowden and Tivendale. But I don't think the club would cut more than two of Hall, Krak, Tiv and P Bowden at once given our already young list.

 

[Wally Matera]

Yeah as much as some of us want to get rid of krak, tivers, hyde, white, etc, we cant cull more than 5-6 players per year.
I agree with Kingsley, Hartigan, Moore, and Hall, however the last spot will be interesting. I'll take a punt and say White (if hes not contracted for next year)

Thats an interesting thing to say... l come from the belief that even if you win the premiership, you turn over at least 6 players per annum. If you're not chaning, then youre not building.

I would imagine that more than 6 players on our list, will not be there next year. Kingsley, Hall, Moore, Gasper and Knobel are certanties... some tough decisions need to be made on a hell of a lot more.

Bowden, Howat, Hartigan, Krakeour, Schulz, maybe Meyer... all represent too much or a question mark.

 

[beaver fever]

Graham doesn't have to be delisted, we can keep him on for 1 more year. rookies have 3 years now. I think king will be ineligable due to age but he will probably be promoted anyway.

 

[PHX]

Graham doesn't have to be delisted, we can keep him on for 1 more year. rookies have 3 years now. I think king will be ineligable due to age but he will probably be promoted anyway.

Correct.

Aswell . . .

If we want to rookie Neville like every man and his dog seems to, we will have to promote King because only 1 player is allowed on the rookie list over 23 and I think both will be next year.

 

[Delediodelight]

just lookin at the rfc website in the rookie club. i was interested to read that the members(of the rookie club) would be provided with weekly recruiting analysis of players and there is one on there of trent cotchin. to any members out there i was wondering if you could post a thread of all the analysed players so far? it would be greatly appreciated, the cotchin one was a very good read. thanking you in advanced.

 

[mavric]

Posted this in another thread, but I'll post it here as well:

Assuming we have six picks in the national draft (2, 17, 18, 33, 49, 65, and we'll pass on 81) and one pick in the pre-season draft and with Gaspar and Knobel already gone, that leaves five more to be culled.

I'm worried by the noises coming out that we may pass on 65 and god forbid 49 - if so I would feel physically ill. However that seems to be Miller's way ie dont take risks if we can save some money.

 

[astro_toby]

trade krak and our fourth rounder to another club - for the 3rd rounder.

krak should go- to old to be running around in our coburg when we are bottom of the ladder - he can go - prefer bowden to him

gaspar, knobel, Kingsely, hall, Haartigan Should all be definites in my eyes. krakour, moore, white, and possibly hyde could should all be definite trade bait - only 1 or 2 of those guys should be on the list next year

i could easily make 7-9 cuts this season without an ounce of doubt that i have let a potential player go.

i'd rather we get sampi in a trade or PSD than have another year "waiting" for krakour.

 

[IDGAF]

trade krak and our fourth rounder to another club - for the 3rd rounder.

krak should go- to old to be running around in our coburg when we are bottom of the ladder - he can go - prefer bowden to him

gaspar, knobel, Kingsely, hall, Haartigan Should all be definites in my eyes. krakour, moore, white, and possibly hyde could should all be definite trade bait - only 1 or 2 of those guys should be on the list next year

i could easily make 7-9 cuts this season without an ounce of doubt that i have let a potential player go.

i'd rather we get sampi in a trade or PSD than have another year "waiting" for krakour.

agreed ... schulz has to go for all the same reasons as Krak

i think trades need to be engineered for those to , get your thinking cap on Miller ... our mix needs to be changed more than just 5-6

 

[nugget_12]

Whats this talk of Rookieing Neville???? Bugger that!
Pick him up in the National Draft so he's on the senior list.
This guy can play from Round 1 and if by some extrordinary good luck that we have an injury free pre-season, if he's rookie he cant play.

This guy is a MUST for the RFC,a good big bodied mid is something we lack.

 

[Bojangles17]

Guys like Tivendale, Krakouer, Hyde, Meyer will all probably stay.
We still have another two drafts minimum to get to even close to where we need to be.

rubbish they will all stay, Tivendale would be the only possible one as his form hasnt been too bad the others are not even getting a game with 3 or more seasons behind them and zero scope for improvement ...Theyre gone

 

[Tigerland_SA]

Why Bowden and Knobel?

Pat has had injury problems this year, but showed some good things last year and I think he would be a valued senior member of the side if he gets in a good pre-season and stays fit.

Trent ... well I just don't think he is that high up the list to cull. Especially when he is an AFL ruckman, who like Pat needs a better run with injuries. I don't think we can afford to throw away a ruckman at this point in the clubs rebuild. Pattison has done a great job in trying circumstances but he is not our future fulltime ruckman. I really like the look of Graham and I would have liked him to get more of a chance this year, but I do not know the full story with him regarding injuries or form.

I am sure I could find 6 names above these two and here they are.

Kingsley
Krak
Hall
Schultz
Hartigan (what happened here .. I thought he was going to make it)
Meyer

I think Hide should get another year and the same with Tiv. Hyde on the half forward flank and Tiv on the wing.

Anyway they are my two bobs worth from the other side of the border.

cheers all and no matter what happens remember ... the fight in the fury is only as strong as the passion in it's fans!!!

 

[Ah Cheung]

Why Bowden and Knobel?

Pat has had injury problems this year, but showed some good things last year and I think he would be a valued senior member of the side if he gets in a good pre-season and stays fit.

Trent ... well I just don't think he is that high up the list to cull. Especially when he is an AFL ruckman, who like Pat needs a better run with injuries. I don't think we can afford to throw away a ruckman at this point in the clubs rebuild. Pattison has done a great job in trying circumstances but he is not our future fulltime ruckman. I really like the look of Graham and I would have liked him to get more of a chance this year, but I do not know the full story with him regarding injuries or form.

I am sure I could find 6 names above these two and here they are.

Kingsley
Krak
Hall
Schultz
Hartigan (what happened here .. I thought he was going to make it)
Meyer

I think Hide should get another year and the same with Tiv. Hyde on the half forward flank and Tiv on the wing.

Anyway they are my two bobs worth from the other side of the border.

cheers all and no matter what happens remember ... the fight in the fury is only as strong as the passion in it's fans!!!

Im pretty sure knobs is gone as he bought a house up in QLD and is looking to play up in QLD next year.

 

[Wally Matera]

i could easily make 7-9 cuts this season without an ounce of doubt that i have let a potential player go.

Could not agree more

It would an absolute indictment on the club that the wooden spooners feel they are in such good shape that they only have to use 4 draft selections, plus use the PSD.

We should be using pick 81 as well. Reason:

Pick 81 is on minimum wage and a one year deal... and the chances of him coming somthing is slim, but really who knows.

Krakeour staying on our list for another year at $150-200k when he will continue to play reserves and achieve absolutely nothing.

Would rather go with a cheap unknown gamble than an overpaid parts player that will never improve.

 

[blxx]

people forget that White is still only 19 years old. Hes a dedicated workhorse on and off the track. i cant believe people want to shovel him being so young.

I also can't understand what some see in Hyde. Much like Harts although Harts is abit faster off the mark but they both have major flaws to their game which they have not manged to iron out. They're really skating.

Knobel is off to redneckville and i hope Hall and Kingsley follow suit.

Tivendale is overcooked by many on here. He's not doing too bad this year compared to recent seasons.

I dont know whats happening with Krak, Conspiracy theories abound.

Dont care how many picks/trades we get or how we get em, i just want every pick to be of benefit to the Richmond Football Club. If it looks like DP49 is a dud then pass. Lets not pickup another discard senior again please.

Alistair Neville is a very interesting prospect i mean i've been tantalising over Masten's ball getting ability yet do we have one in our own backyard ready to go?

Hmmm interesting one that.

 

[nugget_12]

people forget that White is still only 19 years old. Hes a dedicated workhorse on and off the track. i cant believe people want to shovel him being so young.

I also can't understand what some see in Hyde. Much like Harts although Harts is abit faster off the mark but they both have major flaws to their game which they have not manged to iron out. They're really skating.

Knobel is off to redneckville and i hope Hall and Kingsley follow suit.

Tivendale is overcooked by many on here. He's not doing too bad this year compared to recent seasons.

I dont know whats happening with Krak, Conspiracy theories abound.

Dont care how many picks/trades we get or how we get em, i just want every pick to be of benefit to the Richmond Football Club. If it looks like DP49 is a dud then pass. Lets not pickup another discard senior again please.

Alistair Neville is a very interesting prospect i mean i've been tantalising over Masten's ball getting ability yet do we have one in our own backyard ready to go?

Hmmm interesting one that.

We do BLXX, Ive been harping on about Neville on these boards for months and he is a player that could really benefit the RFC.

If we let him slip through to the end of the Draft and another club takes him, im gunna be SUPER P1SSED!!!!!

This is a guy that can play from Round 1 and play 22 games next year.

People must think that he's been wallowing around the VFL for 5 years or something, He is only 22 and his body has matured into the perfect AFL Midfielder size.

A MUST for the RFC!

Plus we can still Take Masten aswell!

 

[CoggaRules]

Posted this in another thread, but I'll post it here as well:

Assuming we have six picks in the national draft (2, 17, 18, 33, 49, 65, and we'll pass on 81) and one pick in the pre-season draft and with Gaspar and Knobel already gone, that leaves five more to be culled.
Kingsley, Hartigan, Moore, Hall and pat Bowden all on thin ice.
That's pretty much it.
Guys like Tivendale, Krakouer, Hyde, Meyer will all probably stay.
We still have another two drafts minimum to get to even close to where we need to be.

pretty confident that we are now in a position where we can pick young with high picks and start building our base of 20 somethings with the later picks.
LEIGH TREEBY and BRODIE LOMAS from the SA eagles need to be looked at. 23 and 22 respectively, and move like they should be playing AFL footy.
We cant keep going 100% for teenagers, balance is what is needed.

 

[Punt Road Feral]

We do BLXX, Ive been harping on about Neville on these boards for months and he is a player that could really benefit the RFC.

If we let him slip through to the end of the Draft and another club takes him, im gunna be SUPER P1SSED!!!!!

This is a guy that can play from Round 1 and play 22 games next year.

People must think that he's been wallowing around the VFL for 5 years or something, He is only 22 and his body has matured into the perfect AFL Midfielder size.

A MUST for the RFC!

Plus we can still Take Masten aswell!

Geez i didn't know he was so young. He could do just as good as King if we recruit him.

 

[CoggaRules]

people forget that White is still only 19 years old. Hes a dedicated workhorse on and off the track. i cant believe people want to shovel him being so young.

I also can't understand what some see in Hyde. Much like Harts although Harts is abit faster off the mark but they both have major flaws to their game which they have not manged to iron out. They're really skating.

Knobel is off to redneckville and i hope Hall and Kingsley follow suit.

Tivendale is overcooked by many on here. He's not doing too bad this year compared to recent seasons.

I dont know whats happening with Krak, Conspiracy theories abound.

Dont care how many picks/trades we get or how we get em, i just want every pick to be of benefit to the Richmond Football Club. If it looks like DP49 is a dud then pass. Lets not pickup another discard senior again please.

Alistair Neville is a very interesting prospect i mean i've been tantalising over Masten's ball getting ability yet do we have one in our own backyard ready to go?

Hmmm interesting one that.

yep, but gotta say that you dont understand a problem that most tiger heads have and they dont even know it.

"Tivendale is overcooked by many on here. He's not doing too bad this year compared to recent seasons."

so tell us man, where would you think we can get having players in because they are not doing too bad, when comparing one season to recent seasons of shit? aahhh, i get it, he is developing.

 

[ImaBeliever!]

yep, but gotta say that you dont understand a problem that most tiger heads have and they dont even know it.

"Tivendale is overcooked by many on here. He's not doing too bad this year compared to recent seasons."

so tell us man, where would you think we can get having players in because they are not doing too bad, when comparing one season to recent seasons of shit? aahhh, i get it, he is developing.

The aspect that seems to be ignored is what capabilities and what role our players can assume, rather than lumping them into mids, flankers, etc.
Sure, he has his flaws, but Tivendale is one of the few guys we have that can run the lines and advantage our forwards, or kick goals, with his penetrating kicking.
If you don't have much of something, you hang onto it until you find something better. If we had someone that could provide the benefits of Tivendale but better, then Greg wouldn't get a game.