What a difference one game has made!

[Vintage 62]

What a diiference to Brisbanes reputation the GF has made, especially amongst pies supporters.Before the GF C'wood were goingto kill Brisbane, never mind losing Rocca, they'd just win without him, no problem.

And it must be said, this opinion seems to have been shared by most of the so-called experts, Collingwood were heavily, incredibly heavily, favoured to win the flag.

Even the bookies got it wrong - Collingwood long odds-on to win.

But now, just ONE game later "Brisbane are one of the best sides ever" "Nobody could beat Brisbane" "There is a gap between Brisbane and the rest"

What a load of garbage. This was a very even year (once Port had choked). Brisbane lost a lot of games compared to normal premiership teams, including a final to C'wood. They were very beatable, it's just that Collingwood weren't up to it.

Good luck to Brisbane, they deserved their victory. But C'wood's GF effort was insipid. Even Port would have played better. And it's a pity a more worthy opponent didn't make the GF.

Collingwood fans seem to be taking some consolation in the fact that they lost to some sort of super-team. They didn't.

 

[MarkT]

Originally posted by Vintage 62
Even the bookies got it wrong - Collingwood long odds-on to win.

Whose your bookie? I read it as a 10c quote. Something like $1.55 to $1.65 when I saw it. may have moved a bit hardly long odds on.

As for a more worth opponent making it - unfortunataly for everyone there wasn't one. There hasn't been a more worthy opponent for 2 seasons now.

 

[Lions43]

Originally posted by Vintage 62
What a diiference to Brisbanes reputation the GF has made, especially amongst pies supporters.Before the GF C'wood were goingto kill Brisbane, never mind losing Rocca, they'd just win without him, no problem.

And it must be said, this opinion seems to have been shared by most of the so-called experts, Collingwood were heavily, incredibly heavily, favoured to win the flag.

Even the bookies got it wrong - Collingwood long odds-on to win.

But now, just ONE game later "Brisbane are one of the best sides ever" "Nobody could beat Brisbane" "There is a gap between Brisbane and the rest"

What a load of garbage. This was a very even year (once Port had choked). Brisbane lost a lot of games compared to normal premiership teams, including a final to C'wood. They were very beatable, it's just that Collingwood weren't up to it.

Good luck to Brisbane, they deserved their victory. But C'wood's GF effort was insipid. Even Port would have played better. And it's a pity a more worthy opponent didn't make the GF.

Collingwood fans seem to be taking some consolation in the fact that they lost to some sort of super-team. They didn't.

Why is everyone being so harsh on Collingwood, including Malthouse who I thought went a bit far after the match?

Weren't Essendon humiliated by even further in 1983 and came back to win the next 2? Weren't Hawthorn humiliated in 1985 and bobbed up with 4 of the next 6?

You are wrong about Brisbane not being a great side. They struggled with injury all year, but as soon as it got to sudden death and there was no tomorrow they put the foot down and dealt with Adelaide and Sydney almost as harshly if you look at the scorelines.

No team could have beaten Brisbane on Saturday and if they are still hungry next year it will probably happen again.

 

[Vintage 62]

Re: Re: What a difference one game has made!

Originally posted by MarkT
Whose your bookie? I read it as a 10c quote. Something like $1.55 to $1.65 when I saw it. may have moved a bit hardly long odds on.

As for a more worth opponent making it - unfortunataly for everyone there wasn't one. There hasn't been a more worthy opponent for 2 seasons now.

$1.55 IS long odds-on !!

Had C'wood travelled to WA they wouldn't have been in the GF. Any of Port, Sydney, Adelaide, Essendon would have been far worthier opponents on saturday.

 

[bucksisbest]

Yet Carlton are still a rabble and Kouta's still an overpaid cripple.

 

[Vintage 62]

Re: Re: What a difference one game has made!

Originally posted by Lions43


No team could have beaten Brisbane on Saturday and if they are still hungry next year it will probably happen again.

My point is that this wasn't the accepted opinion Friday night - most then thought that Brisbane wouldn't even win!

They met a very poor opponent are are now considered unbeatable - ridiculous.

I'm not saying that Brisbane didn't deserve to win, just that they were very beatable and their reputation has gone through the roof since Saturday.

 

[MarkT]

Re: Re: Re: What a difference one game has made!

Originally posted by Vintage 62
$1.55 IS long odds-on !!

Had C'wood travelled to WA they wouldn't have been in the GF. Any of Port, Sydney, Adelaide, Essendon would have been far worthier opponents on saturday.

Based on the fact they were not good enough to beat Collingwood late in the seaon or in the finals? Collingwood beat all those teams in that time so the facts would suugest otherwise. In 2002 Collingwood travelled to WA twice and made the GF. So once again the facts don't support what you say.

 

[Vintage 62]

Re: Re: Re: Re: What a difference one game has made!

Originally posted by MarkT
Based on the fact they were not good enough to beat Collingwood late in the seaon or in the finals? Collingwood beat all those teams in that time so the facts would suugest otherwise. In 2002 Collingwood travelled to WA twice and made the GF. So once again the facts don't support what you say.

No, based on Collingwoods performance saturday.

 

[MarkT]

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Originally posted by Vintage 62
No, based on Collingwoods performance saturday.

Oh, based on the second best team in the comps performance, dismal as it was, other teams who aren't as good would have done better. Good theory.

 

[Vintage 62]

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Originally posted by MarkT
Oh, based on the second best team in the comps performance, dismal as it was, other teams would aren't as good would have done better. Good theory.

If you are assuming Collingwood is a better team than these others because they beat them in the H&A season, Port is the best side in the comp. Besides, as I have said, Collingwood as everyone knows had an easy draw - that was a big help in getting them to the GF.

Obviously I am saying that none of the teams I mentioned would have played as poorly as did Collingwood.

Collingwood was soft, that's the fact that you are going to have to accept.

 

[MarkT]

Collingwood beat all those teams last year as well as this year and finished above all of them last year and this. Collingwood beat Port in successive years in the finals and Adelaide haven't beaten Collingwood at home or away, night or day, finals or home and away in the senior competition for a long time. Sydney and Essendon couldn't beat Collingwood when they needed to late in the season. Essendon couldn't beat Port in a final and Sydney lost to Brisbane by not much less than Collingwood with a big chance at 3/4 time. These are the indisputable facts.

 

[Vintage 62]

Originally posted by MarkT
Collingwood beat all those teams last year as well as this year and finished above all of them last year and this. Collingwood beat Port in successive years in the finals and Adelaide haven't beaten Collingwood at home or away, night or day, finals or home and away in the senior competition for a long time. Sydney and Essendon couldn't beat Collingwood when they needed to late in the season. Essendon couldn't beat Port in a final and Sydney lost to Brisbane by not much less than Collingwood with a big chance at 3/4 time. These are the indisputable facts.

And all of them would have produced a more credible effort in the GF.

(Incidentally, I think Collingwood have beaten Essendon twice in the last 11 games between the two clubs - you forgot to mention that.)

Collingwood also beat Brisbane in a final. You are missing my point.

Rather than saying "nobody would have beaten Brisbane" I think it's far more accurate to say "Anyone would have beaten Collingwood" Collingwood's effort was atrocious, they made very little attempt to win the hard ball, and all their desperation and will to win was gone - nowhere to be seen.

 

[PTP]

Re: Re: Re: What a difference one game has made!

Originally posted by Vintage 62
Had C'wood travelled to WA they wouldn't have been in the GF. Any of Port, Sydney, Adelaide, Essendon would have been far worthier opponents on saturday.

Port - thrashed.

Sydney - thrashed.

Adelaide - thrashed.

Essendon - beaten.

So, tell me again, with facts and reasoning!

Why any of these beaten sides might have done better?

 

[Lloydy!]

I agree vintage, totally...

 

[BlackPowerMach1]

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Originally posted by PTP
Port - thrashed.

Sydney - thrashed.

Adelaide - thrashed.

Essendon - beaten.

So, tell me again, with facts and reasoning!

Why any of these beaten sides might have done better?

Wollingwood thrashed, abused and humiliated!

 

[kimp]

The reason they played so poorly was becuase of the pressure that Brisbane applied. Teams who finish in the final 8 don't just turn around and play badly, they do so becuase their opposition forces them to play that way.

 

[Vintage 62]

Originally posted by kimp
The reason they played so poorly was becuase of the pressure that Brisbane applied. Teams who finish in the final 8 don't just turn around and play badly, they do so becuase their opposition forces them to play that way.

Only up to a point kimp. No team can stop another from at least having a red hot go.

Collingwood let themselves down just as much as they were beaten by Brisbane. I'm not saying they could have won, but surely they could have had more of a go.

Collingwood supporters seem to think the pies on saturday played as they have all year, and therefore teams they defeated throughout the year wouldn't have done any better on saturday. They are kidding themselves.

 

[MightyHawks]

Hawthorn would've done better than the Pies...

And yes we beat Collingwood, Swans (2), Crows, Eagles, Dockers and got within a kick of Port in the H&A.

Confidently would've had a crack against any finalist (except Lions). Would've been more competitive than the Wobbles...

We got closer to the lions than you did at the Gabba this year.

 

[sp-mac]

Originally posted by MightyHawks
Hawthorn would've done better than the Pies...

And yes we beat Collingwood, Swans (2), Crows, Eagles, Dockers and got within a kick of Port in the H&A.

Confidently would've had a crack against any finalist (except Lions). Would've been more competitive than the Wobbles...

We got closer to the lions than you did at the Gabba this year.

hey a new game. fantasy grandfinals. only non-finalist losers eligible to play though.

i suggest the hawks concentrate on finishing in the top half first

 

[taff wa]

Originally posted by Vintage 62
Collingwood supporters seem to think the pies on saturday played as they have all year, and therefore teams they defeated throughout the year wouldn't have done any better on saturday. .

You think Collingwood supporters think they played on Sat like they have all year. Yes they were f**king pathetic in the G/F but that is 1 of 3 games (the others being Anzac Day and against Hawthorn) that were shockers. They won 15 so they obviously havent played that way all year. LMAO. If they played like last Sat all year they would have finished 16th.

 

[Helix]

Originally posted by sp-mac
hey a new game. fantasy grandfinals. only non-finalist losers eligible to play though.

Collingwood might have a better chance to win that one, as Brisbane will be in the real one playing a real contender.....

The fact is, with the easy draw and lack of travelling (they travelled 6 times, Brisbane travelled 10 times), Collingwood promised more than they delivered.

Game Over.

 

[Macpie]

Originally posted by Helix
Collingwood might have a better chance to win that one, as Brisbane will be in the real one playing a real contender.....

The fact is, with the easy draw and lack of travelling (they travelled 6 times, Brisbane travelled 10 times), Collingwood promised more than they delivered.

Game Over.

can you believe the number of new members who signed on AFTER the GF????? that takes some nerve

 

[anduril]

The only great thong about the GF as far as I'm concerned,is that the result has shut up that insignificant pillow biter "bucksisbest" the mug can now go jack off to his posters of boxhead buckley or watch the tape of the ugly man SHARING the Brownlow.....heh heh....suffer fool suffer.

 

[Macpie]

Originally posted by anduril
The only great thong about the GF as far as I'm concerned,is that the result has shut up that insignificant pillow biter "bucksisbest" the mug can now go jack off to his posters of boxhead buckley or watch the tape of the ugly man SHARING the Brownlow.....heh heh....suffer fool suffer.

geez those shared brownlows are shocking things aren't they. just ask hird, voss and plugger - they'd be so disappointed!

 

[anduril]

Voss Hird et al....would not be disappointed at all...you miss the point....it's well known in the circles that know that Buckley was wayyyy ****ed off...that's just the way he is...he's never changed.