When should the AFL act??

[W.C. Fry]

your kidding right?
After the stuff your players have been through the last decade, best to stay away from this current topic unless you live in a bubble.

If Essendon and Collingwood were not apart of the Anzac day clash, I doubt the mutual respect by all Australians would be as paramount as what it has become thanks to this fixture.

Yeah now you are kidding. 90% of NSW and Qld would never have watched Collingwood and Essendon play. Most of SA and WA could hardly care less about it either. Thank god this fixture came along and made Anzac Day what it is today for the millions who don't live in Melbourne

My club had a handfull of players who did the wrong thing and we got punished for it. Unlike the players at injunction, or those at Collingwood who admitted this pre-season to drug use - who did exactly the same as we did but nothing happened to. But thats besides the point - to compare some players off field exploits to a whole clubs systematic cheating is laughable.

 

[Evo47]

Let them work their guts out getting to a top four position, then strip them of points a week before the finals start.

So when Richmond finish 9th again they can take their place and play finals!

 

[Chameleon75]

I only posted it to show you can source a legal liquid form in Australia. The claims were made that it wasnt available other than on the black market.

Just More of the ignorant speculating in these threads

http://www.tga.gov.au/hp/index.htm

All on their website.

 

[mxett]

Let them work their guts out getting to a top four position, then strip them of points a week before the finals start.

So when Richmond finish 9th again they can take their place and play finals!

AFL boss Andrew Demetriou says it could be two to three months before the Australian Sports Anti-doping Authority's investigation into Essendon is concluded, but has knocked on the head any suggestion the club could lose points this season.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/spo...-season-afl-says/story-fnca0u4y-1226615259190

Sorry to burst your jealous little bubble

 

[Snake_Baker]

the standard response you make when you've got no come back

I am limited by the fact that you seem to have a patent on "LOL" & "HAHAHAHAHA"

 

[lones37]

AFL boss Andrew Demetriou says it could be two to three months before the Australian Sports Anti-doping Authority's investigation into Essendon is concluded, but has knocked on the head any suggestion the club could lose points this season.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/spo...-season-afl-says/story-fnca0u4y-1226615259190

Sorry to burst your jealous little bubble

Umm, the article was 3 weeks ago, and stated that Essendon is not indicating they took any of the alleged substances.

Fast forward 16 days, Essendon confirmed banned substances were taken, and invoices for Hexeralin have become public.

So VLAD can do his best to try to get the players off, it wont wash.

Only the most delusional Essendon supporter would not realise they are going to lose all points, Barrett said on TFS the club wants a club penalty rather than 2 year bans for players.

So the club knows whats coming, as they are now fessing up. The fact this whole operation was hidden from the board from Robson down means everyone will be sacked, only the board will remain intact.

And ASADA saying players face 12 months jail if they don't fess up with the truth indicates they are going to get super hard and destroy the club, and rightly so.

This is akin to the East Germany regime in the last 80s in the Olympics.

 

[mxett]

Umm, the article was 3 weeks ago, and stated that Essendon is not indicating they took any of the alleged substances.

Fast forward 16 days, Essendon confirmed banned substances were taken, and invoices for Hexeralin have become public.

So VLAD can do his best to try to get the players off, it wont wash.

Only the most delusional Essendon supporter would not realise they are going to lose all points, Barrett said on TFS the club wants a club penalty rather than 2 year bans for players.

So the club knows whats coming, as they are now fessing up. The fact this whole operation was hidden from the board from Robson down means everyone will be sacked, only the board will remain intact.

And ASADA saying players face 12 months jail if they don't fess up with the truth indicates they are going to get super hard and destroy the club, and rightly so.

This is akin to the East Germany regime in the last 80s in the Olympics.

Vlad has said all along he knows more than what has been revealed to the public. He's been kept in the loop by ASADA and essendon. ASADA interviewed Reid over a month ago. He would have known for sure

 

[The_Reaper]

Vlad has said all along he knows more than what has been revealed to the public. He's been kept in the loop by ASADA and essendon. ASADA interviewed Reid over a month ago. He would have known for sure

You're assuming Vlad will survive the fallout.

 

[Evo47]

AFL boss Andrew Demetriou says it could be two to three months before the Australian Sports Anti-doping Authority's investigation into Essendon is concluded, but has knocked on the head any suggestion the club could lose points this season.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/spo...-season-afl-says/story-fnca0u4y-1226615259190

Sorry to burst your jealous little bubble

Jealous. Ha. Nobody wants to be in Essendons position regardless of onfield performance. It doesn't take a genius to work that out.

As for the article, a lot has happened in three weeks. The truth is nobody knows what will happen to the bombers. Would be embarrassing for the AFL if Essendon were to go deep into finals.

 

[mxett]

Jealous. Ha. Nobody wants to be in Essendons position regardless of onfield performance. It doesn't take a genius to work that out.

As for the article, a lot has happened in three weeks. The truth is nobody knows what will happen to the bombers. Would be embarrassing for the AFL if Essendon were to go deep into finals.

Why? They need to be found guilty first

 

[Scott Emberton]

Why? They need to be found guilty first

The confessions have already started .are you too busy posting crap on here to notice? Damage control now.

 

[mxett]

The confessions have already started .are you too busy posting crap on here to notice? Damage control now.

Sounds like you're the one too busy posting crap. Haven't you heard the controversy over any action against the essendon players over the use of AOD?

Even today's article stated:
The use of this drug may yet lead to players or the club facing doping sanctions, although any such prosecution by doping authorities is likely to face legal challenges.

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-ne...banned-drug-20130426-2ikou.html#ixzz2RdvEiG4O

Previous articles claim ASADA aren't overly chipper about their chances

 

[The_Reaper]

Sounds like you're the one too busy posting crap. Haven't you heard the controversy over any action against the essendon players over the use of AOD?

Even today's article stated:
The use of this drug may yet lead to players or the club facing doping sanctions, although any such prosecution by doping authorities is likely to face legal challenges.

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-ne...banned-drug-20130426-2ikou.html#ixzz2RdvEiG4O

Previous articles claim ASADA aren't overly chipper about their chances

Sadly those legal challenges rest on the existance of a legit letter that says that athletes are allowed to take AOD. A letter saying that AOD is not a banned substance will not sufice.

 

[Evo47]

Why? They need to be found guilty first

The club has already admitted to 6 players taking a banned substance. I don't think I'm jumping the gun there at all...

The players may no longer be benefiting from PED's but its like Mr Amstrong saying "...don't worry guys I'm clean now..." The connection will be made between PED'S and any success EFC have in the near future whether you like it or not.

 

[mxett]

Sadly those legal challenges rest on the existance of a legit letter that says that athletes are allowed to take AOD. A letter saying that AOD is not a banned substance will not sufice.

I doubt it will be the only cause for appeal.

With the ACC report claiming AOD wasn't banned, and the letter fairfax have showing wada weren't so sure even this year, there is evidence of doubt.

Add to that the loophole mentioned by the Age re compounding chemists etc

 

[mxett]

The club has already admitted to 6 players taking a banned substance. I don't think I'm jumping the gun there at all...

The players may no longer be benefiting from PED's but its like Mr Amstrong saying "...don't worry guys I'm clean now..." The connection will be made between PED'S and any success EFC have in the near future whether you like it or not.

It ain't over, otherwise this would be over

Lawyers at 10 paces and all that

 

[The_Reaper]

I doubt it will be the only cause for appeal.

With the ACC report claiming AOD wasn't banned, and the letter fairfax have showing wada weren't so sure even this year, there is evidence of doubt.

We've gone through this several times. The only relevant list is the list of authorised substances. Anything not on the list is illegal in WADA compliant competitions (like the AFL). There is no confusion over whether or not AOD was on the list of authorised substances.

Add to that the loophole mentioned by the Age re compounding chemists etc

We've also gone through this several times.

It isn't a loophole for WADA. It lets Joe Public take AOD legally. It does not let Joe Athlete take AOD whilst competing in a WADA compliant competition (like the AFL).

 

[GreatBradScott]

You're assuming Vlad will survive the fallout.

Considering the last 12 months, it's like watching a dying government. Lame duck. Scandal after scandal.

 

[mxett]

We've gone through this several times. The only relevant list is the list of authorised substances. Anything not on the list is illegal in WADA compliant competitions (like the AFL). There is no confusion over whether or not AOD was on the list of authorised substances.


We've also gone through this several times.

It isn't a loophole for WADA. It lets Joe Public take AOD legally. It does not let Joe Athlete take AOD whilst competing in a WADA compliant competition (like the AFL).

We've gone through it, us legal experts

Lets see the big boys take it on.

Remember, the acclaimed Age investigators stated ASADA believe their case is weak.

 

[The_Reaper]

We've gone through it, us legal experts

Lets see the big boys take it on.

Remember, the acclaimed Age investigators stated ASADA believe their case is weak.

The legal boys will only have something to play with if Essendon can provide a letter from WADA approving the use of AOD9604.

 

[mxett]

The legal boys will only have something to play with if Essendon can provide a letter from WADA approving the use of AOD9604.

So why are ASADA reportedly pessimistic about their case? I

 

[The_Reaper]

So why are ASADA reportedly pessimistic about their case? I

Because at that stage Essendon hadn't admitted that players had taken AOD.

 

[mxett]

Because at that stage Essendon hadn't admitted that players had taken AOD.

Oh come on. ASADA interviewed essendon staff over a month ago. They would already have known. If they didn't know why the hell would essendon deny it then but admit it now?

 

[The_Reaper]

Oh come on. ASADA interviewed essendon staff over a month ago. They would already have known. If they didn't know why the hell would essendon deny it then but admit it now?

Because the club is run by amateurs as Ziggy will soon reveal.

 

[mxett]

Because the club is run by amateurs as Ziggy will soon reveal.

So deny using AOD when officially questioned, then admit it to the press weeks later....

Oh dear, are you really suggesting this happened? Inst that jail time?