Where are all your draft picks

[I love DELEDIO]

I like the Swans And I am just wondering where and how your younger players are developing i have been looking on your website and there isnt to many younger players

 

[rancidpants13]

I like the Swans And I am just wondering where and how your younger players are developing i have been looking on your website and there isnt to many younger players

if you read a recent thread you'll realise a lot of us have been trying to get information on our website, without much success
don't worry about our kids, if they get the chance to play, we'll all learn something

 

[Sanecow]

As long as they get good grades in their classes, they'll be OK.

 

[bloods01]

With the second oldest list in the competition, expect to see our kids come through in the next year or so. There should be at least 4 debutants this year with a few more next season. It's quite exciting...

 

[SirJimi05]

I like the Swans And I am just wondering where and how your younger players are developing i have been looking on your website and there isnt to many younger players

They have plenty of kids but none have them have shown anything yet at senior level. I believe that if you add all the draft picks together for the last 3 years they have accumelated a total of one senior game between them. It really shows just how good West Coast have been at recruiting as they have an abundence of great queality young kids coming through yet have been in a similiar position to Sydney in terms of draft picks et al.

 

[liz]

They have plenty of kids but none have them have shown anything yet at senior level. I believe that if you add all the draft picks together for the last 3 years they have accumelated a total of one senior game between them. It really shows just how good West Coast have been at recruiting as they have an abundence of great queality young kids coming through yet have been in a similiar position to Sydney in terms of draft picks et al.

Your belief is incorrect. Grundy, Moore, Barlow, Jack, Laidlaw, Phillips (now departed) are half a dozen players drafted in the past 3 years who have debuted. By definition they must have played more than 1 game between them.

Nonetheless, the point that not many have made an impact is fair. The logic behind the comparison with West Coast is not entirely reasonable. One of the reasons West Coast youngsters have had more opportunities is that they had a pretty ordinary list of 24-30yos. This is because they had two or three really crap recruiting years around the turn of the century. Had the Swans draftees been taken by West Coast instead, they might have had similar success. That's hypothetical, of course, and there's no doubt that Roos has been a little slow to blood new players. But we don't really know how they compare to West Coast's, as a group, since they've not had the same opportunities.

 

[banana_bus]

how about craig bird, has big wraps on him, but does anyone tihk he can crack the team this year?

 

[is2SWaNz]

how about craig bird, has big wraps on him, but does anyone tihk he can crack the team this year?

I wouldn't be surprised at all if Craig Bird has a crack this year. I remember Roosy mentioning that Bird is very likely to play.

 

[rancidpants13]

how about craig bird, has big wraps on him, but does anyone tihk he can crack the team this year?

does anyone think he can? yes, i do...why not?
we have to play young blood like him or we risk stagnating and falling further off the pace
not just bird, there's others

 

[banana_bus]

Cheers guys. I know hes young but you guys really do need to blood (pardon the pun ) some of the youngens.

Ed Barlow looks a steal too

 

[is2SWaNz]

does anyone think he can? yes, i do...why not?
we have to play young blood like him or we risk stagnating and falling further off the pace
not just bird, there's others

I'm pretty confident that he'll play round one as well, a gut feeling.

I'm also pretty certain that there are going to be more young ones coming through this season. Its time for change, like what Roosy said, and its changing big time (in contrast with other years where young guns debuting have dried up).

Ones I'm looking forward to see is White, DOK and Bird.

 

[NUMBER14]

does anyone think he can? yes, i do...why not?
we have to play young blood like him or we risk stagnating and falling further off the pace
not just bird, there's others

hopefully CURRIE plays in the nab cup/some games in the season. he is our back up ruckmen, when jolly or spida get injured/suspended

the bloke is a deadset animal i sat near him at the footy once and he is a unit he would dominate a game if given the chance and of course when he gets enough experience

 

[rancidpants13]

hopefully CURRIE plays in the nab cup/some games in the season. he is our back up ruckmen, when jolly or spida get injured/suspended

the bloke is a deadset animal i sat near him at the footy once and he is a unit he would dominate a game if given the chance and of course when he gets enough experience

you're not the first to report this about currie, a bloke who claimed to be either a mate of his or someone who knew and lived near him here in melb, posted late last year that he'd seen currie training on his own in 07, that he'd grown and looked massive, very fit, and also reported he had great skills at ground level
and i am very excited and desperate to see him on the field, NAB cup would be ideal

 

[FM0226]

While I really like Bird, I think round one is a bit early for him.
It sounds that Bolton is ready to go back to trenches (which is where he
belong - and he needs to perform because we just gave him a pay rise).
With Kirk, Bolton and probably Buchanan and Ablett (and even Goodes) acting as rovers, there isn't much room to fit Bird in.

And nevertheless, I'll try Schmidt and Moore ahead of him (maybe even Jack - I think he's wasted as a small defender). I think Bird will on get on
the picture if there's a long-term injury to Kirk or Jude. I think late in the
season or early 2009 is a more realistic time table for him.

 

[bedford]

Your belief is incorrect. Grundy, Moore, Barlow, Jack, Laidlaw, Phillips (now departed) are half a dozen players drafted in the past 3 years who have debuted. By definition they must have played more than 1 game between them.

Nonetheless, the point that not many have made an impact is fair. The logic behind the comparison with West Coast is not entirely reasonable. One of the reasons West Coast youngsters have had more opportunities is that they had a pretty ordinary list of 24-30yos. This is because they had two or three really crap recruiting years around the turn of the century. Had the Swans draftees been taken by West Coast instead, they might have had similar success. That's hypothetical, of course, and there's no doubt that Roos has been a little slow to blood new players. But we don't really know how they compare to West Coast's, as a group, since they've not had the same opportunities.

sorry liz, but they had ken judge as coach which put them down to early draft pick land,which enabled them to pick up chris judd at no.2 or 3.
the eagles went down under judge which helped them to rebuild,because of the soft sydney market we carn't do the same.

 

[FM0226]

sorry liz, but they had ken judge as coach which put them down to early draft pick land,which enabled them to pick up chris judd at no.2 or 3.
the eagles went down under judge which helped them to rebuild,because of the soft sydney market we carn't do the same.

I don't buy the 'must tank to get low-draft pick to rebuild' theory - just look at the top ten picks we got - Fosdike, Jude, Crouch (he's a top ten pick, right?), McVeigh, Fitzgerald etc didn't exactly turn us into a powerhouse. Of course we also had Rocca and Shannon Grant running off to their mothers. Low draft picks doesn't garrantee success at all - look at Richmond and Melbourne - of which is a yoyo club that finishes 2nd one year, then second last the next.

 

[bedford]

I don't buy the 'must tank to get low-draft pick to rebuild' theory - just look at the top ten picks we got - Fosdike, Jude, Crouch (he's a top ten pick, right?), McVeigh, Fitzgerald etc didn't exactly turn us into a powerhouse. Of course we also had Rocca and Shannon Grant running off to their mothers. Low draft picks doesn't garrantee success at all - look at Richmond and Melbourne - of which is a yoyo club that finishes 2nd one year, then second last the next.

look at the coaches they have had and their clubs in general,richnond and melb. have been crap.
rocca and grant were in 95 a long time ago.
fossy,jude and crouch have been great players in the modern era.
fitzgerald would have been a superstar,5 goals against the scum at the dome in his first game,before he was cut down by injury,mcveigh?

 

[rancidpants13]

look at the coaches they have had and their clubs in general,richnond and melb. have been crap.
rocca and grant were in 95 a long time ago.
fossy,jude and crouch have been great players in the modern era.
fitzgerald would have been a superstar,5 goals against the scum at the dome in his first game,before he was cut down by injury,mcveigh?

exactly right
fitzy promised the world but was cut down before he was even close to his prime, i remember the excitement abut him when he was drafted
and yes, fossy, jude and crouch have been absolutely key parts of not only our success in the past 5 years, but in forging the style of football that we built our success upon
mcveigh has had ample time to look at the blueprint, but his contributions have been negligible

 

[FM0226]

Fosdike, Bolton et al are all capable players, but the players that really propel us to a championship and a grand final were Barry Hall, Kirk, C.Bolton, Leo, Magic, Jolly, Nick Davis, Buchanan, Kenelly, Sneider and LRT - none of which is close to being a top 5 pick (how high was Ball though? I have no idea about him). Jude in early 2005 was great, as was Fosdike in the 2005 GF, but neither of which have bigger impact then other players which are much lower picks.

Fitzgerard is exactly what I'm talking about, yes he could have been a star, but reality is that he was cut down with injury - draft picks is a lottery from pick 1 to pick 79 and are no guarrantee to success. I'm just sick of people saying that you need to 'tank' to be successful - you don't. What you really is good scouting and a good development coach.

Yes, Judd is a good player, but the reason that the Eagles had done so well is because they found their share of diamonds in getting the best AFL ruckman in Cox through patience and the rookie list, they grabbed Lynch off the rookie list as well. Hansen was a lowish pick and they converted Glass from a forward to an all-australian full-back (he was pick 11). Judd was probably the best pick of any variety, but without this 'spine', Judd would still be without a premiership. Kerr a was mid teen pick (13?), Embley was a low pick, Wirripanda was a low pick I think, Nicoski was a rookie-list player. While high picks like MacDougall and Sampi were failed projects. The only other high pick that have done well for the eagles in the modern times that I can think of was Cousins and he's, well, Cousins.

It's players that wins premierships, not a low draft pick number that you get given after a dismal season.

 

[liz]

The only other high pick that have done well for the eagles in the modern times that I can think of was Cousins and he's, well, Cousins.

FS pick

 

[Big Wheel]

FS pick

I'm not sure but he could have gone to Geelong under FS pick to, couldn't he???

 

[mitch820]

I'm not sure but he could have gone to Geelong under FS pick to, couldn't he???

Yes, but West Coast were also eligible and got to him first.

 

[grimlock]

It's the injuries (or rather non-injuries) list. With so few player (touch wood) on the list over the past 3 years, these youngsters have comparatively got lesser time than their counterparts on injury-ravaged teams.

 

[FM0226]

FS pick

Didn't West Coast still have to give up a top 5 pick for him?
(not entirely sure)

 

[rancidpants13]

Fosdike, Bolton et al are all capable players, but the players that really propel us to a championship and a grand final were Barry Hall, Kirk, C.Bolton, Leo, Magic, Jolly, Nick Davis, Buchanan, Kenelly, Sneider and LRT - none of which is close to being a top 5 pick (how high was Ball though? I have no idea about him). Jude in early 2005 was great, as was Fosdike in the 2005 GF, but neither of which have bigger impact then other players which are much lower picks.

Fitzgerard is exactly what I'm talking about, yes he could have been a star, but reality is that he was cut down with injury - draft picks is a lottery from pick 1 to pick 79 and are no guarrantee to success. I'm just sick of people saying that you need to 'tank' to be successful - you don't. What you really is good scouting and a good development coach.

Yes, Judd is a good player, but the reason that the Eagles had done so well is because they found their share of diamonds in getting the best AFL ruckman in Cox through patience and the rookie list, they grabbed Lynch off the rookie list as well. Hansen was a lowish pick and they converted Glass from a forward to an all-australian full-back (he was pick 11). Judd was probably the best pick of any variety, but without this 'spine', Judd would still be without a premiership. Kerr a was mid teen pick (13?), Embley was a low pick, Wirripanda was a low pick I think, Nicoski was a rookie-list player. While high picks like MacDougall and Sampi were failed projects. The only other high pick that have done well for the eagles in the modern times that I can think of was Cousins and he's, well, Cousins.

It's players that wins premierships, not a low draft pick number that you get given after a dismal season.

i'm as opposed to any form of tanking, as you and i'm sure all of us are...the idea of going out not trying is wrong, just wrong
and draft picks ARE a lottery, although with the science of recruiting as advanced as it is now, clubs know so much more about so many more potential draftees...of course, injuries, etc are the wild card, there's no absolute insurance against them
but certainly, clubs with recruiters who can look beyond the obvious and identify talented footballers who won't go high in a draft are going to benefit
at our club there's the likes of goodes, ROK and malch in recent times, while surely james hird is one of the great draft stories (much to sydney's chagrin), didn't he go at 66 or some ridiculous low pick???

sorry, off track a bit, but is it true the SA and WA clubs, particularly the eagles, have gained great benefit from the rookie system by hiding some of their young prospects in their respective state leagues then getting them as rookie selections? i'm not sure how they do it, but i've been led to believe this has been the case