Where did we go wrong?

[one_twelve112]

I missed the game and the replay on the weekened, and would like to get some thoughts on where we went wrong, who were the better/worse players and how the young boy Kennedy went aswell as Wiggins in his first game of the year?!? Pagan?
Would prefer constructive criticism rather than Carlton bashing...

 

[Da Shag On Fire]

I missed the game and the replay on the weekened, and would like to get some thoughts on where we went wrong, who were the better/worse players and how the young boy Kennedy went aswell as Wiggins in his first game of the year?!? Pagan?
Would prefer constructive criticism rather than Carlton bashing...

We were beaten all over the park. No positives at all really apart from Big Red. There are simply players in our team that are ordinary at best.

Bentick - Our starting centremen, what a joke. Why do people on big footy continue to praise this guy. Lacks pace and his skills aren't anything to right to your mum about.

Scotland - Unaccountable

Wiggo - Surely I dont need to comment

Banno - See Wiggo

 

[Uhumagoo]

You cannot afford to have too many unaccountable midfielders playing at once. We got rid of Campo, But we still have Scotland, Stevens, Kouta, they do not show any desperation to play accountable football. It would be Ok if they got the ball, played better than their opponent and hurt the oppostion, but they don't.

 

[Stig O'Hara]

Inevitable we would cop a pasting or two,
especially against the top sides.

Really interested to see how the club reacts,
in regards to Essendon match,
to see if they learned anything from Collingwood game.

As the club has no major injuries,
and the magoos are flying,
there would be a few senior players looking over their shoulders.

 

[pumped]

Hi one_twelve112,

I watched the whole game and felt that Kennedy was very badly handled. He was dragged too quickly and given too little game time. In fact with Carlton well down in the 2nd half he had very little time on the ground. Felt at least that when on his passion to play was at least high even though his confidence seemed to get progressively lower.

Wiggins just did not look up to the standard at all. His disposal was poor and even his willingness to run seemed less than I remember of him.

Pagan was very reactive and slow in his thinking imo. Also his obsession with flooding right from the start of games is imo killing our ability to play instictive footy. Players in the first 10 minutes would look up field to nothing but opposition jumpers. I feel that this kills their decision making and confidence.

Best player was Whitnall [ brilliant as ever]. Aside from this Stevens was good in first half but went missing in the second. Walker, Betts, Fevola,Thornton and even McLaren at least tried and showed some passion to play for most of the game.

As for the worst most were pretty bad. Saddington looked all at sea as did Bentick and I also thought that Bannister looked a little out of his depth. Scotland was very loose again and Kouta just look defeated and bereft of any energy.

May have missed some other good or bad contributors but overall the side is badly lacking in discipline and passion.

 

[Sticks 4]

I missed the game and the replay on the weekened, and would like to get some thoughts on where we went wrong, who were the better/worse players and how the young boy Kennedy went aswell as Wiggins in his first game of the year?!? Pagan?
Would prefer constructive criticism rather than Carlton bashing...

You didn't miss much....
We were soft. Missed too many tackles, pulled out of too many contests. Once the pies got a sniff they ran all over us.
Whitnall was brilliant again. Walker did the job on Buckley but the rest were ordinary after half time.

Kennedy didn't get a chance to show much. Didn't see him on the ground much and when he was we were under pressure. Tough game to debut in. The less said about Wiggins the better. I usually don't mind him, he's courageous which we lack a lot of the time, but he was ordinary.

I'm not into Pagan bashing but we had the momentum at half time, Fev had just snapped a beauty to put us in front, and we came out for the 3rd quarter flat. How does that happen? A coach with Pagan's experience, and a captain with Kouta's experience, should have had the boys fired to kick on from a good finish to the first half.

 

[bibi01]

• accuracy in kicking for goal. again 9 goals 12 points
• poor decision making, leading to turnovers (i know this is at time due to our structure)
• poor disposal all over the ground
• missed tackles, way too many from our players
• ONE percenters- tackles, shepherds, blocks, smothers, spoils
• pressure and intensity- we don't apply pressure for the 4 quarters, we only do it it spurts and there are only a few players who provide pressure and intensity for the full 4 quarters
• willingness to chase
• also I think we went into the game too tall, we needed another crummer at the feet of fev and waite

 

[one_twelve112]

• accuracy in kicking for goal. again 9 goals 12 points
• poor decision making, leading to turnovers (i know this is at time due to our structure)
• poor disposal all over the ground
• missed tackles, way too many from our players
• ONE percenters- tackles, shepherds, blocks, smothers, spoils
• pressure and intensity- we don't apply pressure for the 4 quarters, we only do it it spurts and there are only a few players who provide pressure and intensity for the full 4 quarters
• willingness to chase
• also I think we went into the game too tall, we needed another crummer at the feet of fev and waite

Apart from that we did well???

 

[AlecDuncan]

• accuracy in kicking for goal. again 9 goals 12 points

Collingwood:
DISTANCE OF GOALS: 0-15m 6; 15-30m 6; 30-40m 2; 40+m 7

Carlton:
DISTANCE OF GOALS: 0-15m 1; 15-30m 3; 30-40m 2; 40+m 3

12 of 21 goals from just in front. It's all about where you get your shots, and you need to make space for your forwards to do that. Unfortunately Collingwood did this way better than we did. Their on-ballers blitzed us - we won't win games until ours are in a position to kick goals. Using them to fill holes at half-back works for a half, but not much longer.

And you're right - we went too tall. We need more crumbers, but we don't have a lot running around with the Bullants either. Really just Blackwell and Russell. I'd pick at least one of them for next week.

And let Bannister take Saddington's spot in the backline. He needs the game happening in front of him. He's a gun as a VFL fullback. Why play him off the wing as a tagger when you promote him to AFL?

 

[AlecDuncan]

And let Bannister take Saddington's spot in the backline. He needs the game happening in front of him. He's a gun as a VFL fullback. Why play him off the wing as a tagger when you promote him to AFL?

And for that matter, let Simpson play on a wing where he'll do lots more damage than minding a crumbing forward. I guess it's Pagan's way of putting some run into the backline, but it's not working, and we've robbed our centreline of run in the process.