Which evil would you rather?

[Karl Pilkington]

Option 1. Being so ashamed of your ethnic heritage that you change your last name so that it's easier to do business in Australia

Option 2. Ripping off the entire Australian public through price fixing, and getting a slap on the wrist for it, when death would have been the more appropriate punishment

Option 3. Fathering a child out of wedlock, even though you are 65 and have been married for over 40 years

Option 4. Being president of the Carlton Football Club


Personally, I'd go with probably option 1 or option 3, because it would hurt less people. However, there is a man involved with Australian Football who has somehow managed to be such a concentration of pure evil, that he has accomplished all 4 of these evils. And likely countless others that haven't been reported.

Meanwhile, Ben Cousins, one of the greatest players this game has ever seen and a man who has an unrivaled sense of honesty among the AFL community in the way he came forward with his issues BEFORE ever being caught (tell me one other player who has done that), sits out this year (at minimum) of football for merely using some drugs.

Just goes to show you, the AFL has no soul, and much prefers white collar criminals with no morals to the blue collar type who makes a mistake and hurts himself.

 

[GuzzLG]

Ben Cousins looks down his nose at Richard Pratt.

 

[Karl Pilkington]

Ben Cousins looks down his nose at Richard Pratt.

And then probably snorts him, but either way, Cousins is a far more redeemable human than Richard Przecicki is.

 

[Hodgies Heroes]

Option 1. Being so ashamed of your ethnic heritage that you change your last name so that it's easier to do business in Australia

Option 2. Ripping off the entire Australian public through price fixing, and getting a slap on the wrist for it, when death would have been the more appropriate punishment

Option 3. Fathering a child out of wedlock, even though you are 65 and have been married for over 40 years

Option 4. Being president of the Carlton Football Club


Personally, I'd go with probably option 1 or option 3, because it would hurt less people. However, there is a man involved with Australian Football who has somehow managed to be such a concentration of pure evil, that he has accomplished all 4 of these evils. And likely countless others that haven't been reported.

Meanwhile, Ben Cousins, one of the greatest players this game has ever seen and a man who has an unrivaled sense of honesty among the AFL community in the way he came forward with his issues BEFORE ever being caught (tell me one other player who has done that), sits out this year (at minimum) of football for merely using some drugs.

Just goes to show you, the AFL has no soul, and much prefers white collar criminals with no morals to the blue collar type who makes a mistake and hurts himself.

Could be worse .... and be a Dees supporter....

 

[Karl Pilkington]

Could be worse .... and be a Dees supporter....

Game, set and match.

You sir, are the king of the verbal stoush. I salute thee.

 

[Silvagnis]

Can anyone name one thing Melbourne's President has done and achieved?

Besides signing a player as talented as John Meesen.

Or even name him?

Better to have people talking about you than not at all.

 

[Karl Pilkington]

Can anyone name one thing Melbourne's President has done and achieved?

Besides signing a player as talented as John Meesen.

Or even name him?

Better to have people talking about you than not at all.

Melbourne's president is one of the biggest names in advertising in Australia.

Melbourne's president also didn't get handed a 5 million dollar empire in the 60's.

He also didn't change his name to hide his heritage.

He also didn't father a child out of wedlock.

He also didn't rip off the entire country of Australia.

He also isn't evil incarnate.

Mind you, being that you support Carlton, you probably think Christopher Skase was nothing more than a lovable rogue.

 

[Barry Zuckercorn]

I reckon our president would attend the grand final if we ever made it again

 

[Frankston Rover]

I reckon our president would attend the grand final if we ever made it again

If Richard Pratt lives til he's 127, he deserves to go.

 

[SweetLeftFoot]

While we are on the subject of club Presidents of an 'ethnicity' as you put it, Pratt's wrong doings pale into comparison with those of a certain Mr Gutnick.

Pratt ripped off people in a simple business scam.

Gutnick's involvement with Netanyahu and the settler movement is far, far worse.

But Gutnick also won a precedent setting libel case about stuff posted online, so I can't go into any detail about his alleged malfeasance here.

Howevere google is your friend.

 

[oogac]

Option 1. Being so ashamed of your ethnic heritage that you change your last name so that it's easier to do business in Australia

Is that you Karlos Pilkapopolous?

 

[thatswhatimtalkinabout]

Can anyone name one thing Melbourne's President has done and achieved?

Excuse me, but without the Paul Gardners of this world the Australian plum industry would have been forced to the point of extinction decades ago.

I rest my case and bid good day to you Sir!

 

[Zvim]

Excuse me, but without the Paul Gardners of this world the Australian plum industry would have been forced to the point of extinction decades ago.

I rest my case and bid good day to you Sir!

We have a plum industry?

 

[Austin_McCrabbs]

We have a plum industry?

I plum reckon.

 

[Karl Pilkington]

While we are on the subject of club Presidents of an 'ethnicity' as you put it, Pratt's wrong doings pale into comparison with those of a certain Mr Gutnick.

Pratt ripped off people in a simple business scam.

Gutnick's involvement with Netanyahu and the settler movement is far, far worse.

But Gutnick also won a precedent setting libel case about stuff posted online, so I can't go into any detail about his alleged malfeasance here.

Howevere google is your friend.

You put me on that information a while back - I agree, Gutnick was pretty bad, but the fact is he was never going to last at a Protestant Blue-Blooded club like the Demons. We like our right wing Jews, but prefer to keep them at arms length, preferably in the United States or Israel.

Doesn't change the fact Richard Pratt is the ****ing Antichrist.

 

[SweetLeftFoot]

You put me on that information a while back - I agree, Gutnick was pretty bad, but the fact is he was never going to last at a Protestant Blue-Blooded club like the Demons. We like our right wing Jews, but prefer to keep them at arms length, preferably in the United States or Israel.

Doesn't change the fact Richard Pratt is the ****ing Antichrist.

Hard to disagree with that stuff.

 

[super_phaser]

Option 1. Being so ashamed of your ethnic heritage that you change your last name so that it's easier to do business in Australia

Option 2. Ripping off the entire Australian public through price fixing, and getting a slap on the wrist for it, when death would have been the more appropriate punishment

Option 3. Fathering a child out of wedlock, even though you are 65 and have been married for over 40 years

Option 4. Being president of the Carlton Football Club

Tough choice!

All of them are as low as you can get.

But Ill go with option 4

 

[TCB-1935]

Option 1. Being so ashamed of your ethnic heritage that you change your last name so that it's easier to do business in Australia

Option 2. Ripping off the entire Australian public through price fixing, and getting a slap on the wrist for it, when death would have been the more appropriate punishment

Option 3. Fathering a child out of wedlock, even though you are 65 and have been married for over 40 years

Option 4. Being president of the Carlton Football Club

Firstly, how is running away from a booze bus an indication of honesty and upright citizenship.

But to your options. Have to say that this is a somewhat puerile thread but guess that is to be expected from someone who jumps off their team (Melb) just two games into a season and gets on the Hawthorn bandwaggon. Hope right minded Hawthorn supporters give you the welcome you so richly deserve.

Anyway your options --in reverse order because option1 requires the longest answer:

Option4 . Why is this an evil per se ? Why should it bother you or the supporter of any other club unless it directly affects your own club.

Option3. No business of yours or mine. If you were going to condemn everybody who commits adultery/infidelity you are going to have a very, very long list.

Option 2: If you have read the specifics of what actually happened you would find that prices were not inflated by Visy or Amcor. What occurred to the best of my knowledge was that a price war started (hey that means lower prices!) but Amcor was losing too much market share to Visy because of the 'war' and so asked for a truce on price-cutting. Visy agreed -- foolishly in hindsight I guess but maybe the thought of becoming a monopoly(and the consequential repressive legislation) if they killed off Amcor was a consideration.
I can guess you would prefer a monopolistic situation to that which now exists????

Option 1: Do you have a problem with ethnic minorities? It would seem so.

It may surprise you to know that post WW2 immigrants (1940's & 50's) faced a far different social environment than currently exists. Racial epithets such as 'wog, wop, dago' were common in those decades and even into the 1960's. Ethnic food was often referred to as 'wog' food no matter the culture from which it emanated. I would not have been surprised if many immigrants changed their surname but I think relatively few did so out of shame. Some Croats dropped the 'ich' or 'vich' from their names and some Hungarians I was acquainted with changed their name from 'Kiss' to 'King' because of embarrassing situations. Also many Italians accepted our complete lack of understanding of Italian pronunciation of such combinations of letters as 'ch' or 'gl' in their surnames and in doing so accepted a name change in pronunciation if not in spelling. I think that in pretty much all cases of name changes it was done to help their Australian neighbours/friends/workmates rather than through shame of their ethnicity. Most immigrants I know are proud of their culture and ethnic origins.

I feel that before you post you should first think and then also consider the feelings of all those Australians who have changed their names rather than just inferring that name changes are done through a sense of shame.

 

[BigBadCam]

Firstly, how is running away from a booze bus an indication of honesty and upright citizenship.

But to your options. Have to say that this is a somewhat puerile thread but guess that is to be expected from someone who jumps off their team (Melb) just two games into a season and gets on the Hawthorn bandwaggon. Hope right minded Hawthorn supporters give you the welcome you so richly deserve.

Anyway your options --in reverse order because option1 requires the longest answer:

Option4 . Why is this an evil per se ? Why should it bother you or the supporter of any other club unless it directly affects your own club.

Option3. No business of yours or mine. If you were going to condemn everybody who commits adultery/infidelity you are going to have a very, very long list.

Option 2: If you have read the specifics of what actually happened you would find that prices were not inflated by Visy or Amcor. What occurred to the best of my knowledge was that a price war started (hey that means lower prices!) but Amcor was losing too much market share to Visy because of the 'war' and so asked for a truce on price-cutting. Visy agreed -- foolishly in hindsight I guess but maybe the thought of becoming a monopoly(and the consequential repressive legislation) if they killed off Amcor was a consideration.
I can guess you would prefer a monopolistic situation to that which now exists????

Option 1: Do you have a problem with ethnic minorities? It would seem so.

It may surprise you to know that post WW2 immigrants (1940's & 50's) faced a far different social environment than currently exists. Racial epithets such as 'wog, wop, dago' were common in those decades and even into the 1960's. Ethnic food was often referred to as 'wog' food no matter the culture from which it emanated. I would not have been surprised if many immigrants changed their surname but I think relatively few did so out of shame. Some Croats dropped the 'ich' or 'vich' from their names and some Hungarians I was acquainted with changed their name from 'Kiss' to 'King' because of embarrassing situations. Also many Italians accepted our complete lack of understanding of Italian pronunciation of such combinations of letters as 'ch' or 'gl' in their surnames and in doing so accepted a name change in pronunciation if not in spelling. I think that in pretty much all cases of name changes it was done to help their Australian neighbours/friends/workmates rather than through shame of their ethnicity. Most immigrants I know are proud of their culture and ethnic origins.

I feel that before you post you should first think and then also consider the feelings of all those Australians who have changed their names rather than just inferring that name changes are done through a sense of shame.

Touched a nerve?

 

[TCB-1935]

Touched a nerve?

Yeah it did but not because it was about Carlton.

Would not have bothered with the rest of the post/thread if it were not for the unsubtle crack about immigrants who change their surnames. Totally uncalled for and essentially incorrect -- and no I am not a 'name-changed' immigrant.

I went to a school in the 50's and 60's which had many immigrants - mainly Italians and Croats and their love of Australian footy was unparalleled. Coincidentally I also follow a team in the WAFL with the nickname "the garlic-munchers" -- so I guess there is a fair bit of empathy.

 

[Karl Pilkington]

Firstly, how is running away from a booze bus an indication of honesty and upright citizenship.

But to your options. Have to say that this is a somewhat puerile thread but guess that is to be expected from someone who jumps off their team (Melb) just two games into a season and gets on the Hawthorn bandwaggon. Hope right minded Hawthorn supporters give you the welcome you so richly deserve.

Anyway your options --in reverse order because option1 requires the longest answer:

Option4 . Why is this an evil per se ? Why should it bother you or the supporter of any other club unless it directly affects your own club.

Option3. No business of yours or mine. If you were going to condemn everybody who commits adultery/infidelity you are going to have a very, very long list.

Option 2: If you have read the specifics of what actually happened you would find that prices were not inflated by Visy or Amcor. What occurred to the best of my knowledge was that a price war started (hey that means lower prices!) but Amcor was losing too much market share to Visy because of the 'war' and so asked for a truce on price-cutting. Visy agreed -- foolishly in hindsight I guess but maybe the thought of becoming a monopoly(and the consequential repressive legislation) if they killed off Amcor was a consideration.
I can guess you would prefer a monopolistic situation to that which now exists????

Option 1: Do you have a problem with ethnic minorities? It would seem so.

It may surprise you to know that post WW2 immigrants (1940's & 50's) faced a far different social environment than currently exists. Racial epithets such as 'wog, wop, dago' were common in those decades and even into the 1960's. Ethnic food was often referred to as 'wog' food no matter the culture from which it emanated. I would not have been surprised if many immigrants changed their surname but I think relatively few did so out of shame. Some Croats dropped the 'ich' or 'vich' from their names and some Hungarians I was acquainted with changed their name from 'Kiss' to 'King' because of embarrassing situations. Also many Italians accepted our complete lack of understanding of Italian pronunciation of such combinations of letters as 'ch' or 'gl' in their surnames and in doing so accepted a name change in pronunciation if not in spelling. I think that in pretty much all cases of name changes it was done to help their Australian neighbours/friends/workmates rather than through shame of their ethnicity. Most immigrants I know are proud of their culture and ethnic origins.

I feel that before you post you should first think and then also consider the feelings of all those Australians who have changed their names rather than just inferring that name changes are done through a sense of shame.

What did I say that gave an impression I have an issue with minorities? I just have an issue with liars.

 

[thatswhatimtalkinabout]

What did I say that gave an impression I have an issue with minorities? I just have an issue with liars.

You'd be ****ed off with your footy club then, they promised you everything but have delivered nothing,

 

[Karl Pilkington]

You'd be ****ed off with your footy club then, they promised you everything but have delivered nothing,

Hawthorn? We're sitting on top of the ladder.

 

[Binxy]

Welcome aboard, Karlos.

 

[thatswhatimtalkinabout]

Hawthorn? We're sitting on top of the ladder.

Personally, I don't have any respect for turncoats Roger.

I think everyone knows who's who in the zoo.