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Good afternoon all,

I'd just like to get your feelings on a few of these deals revolving around Lance Whitnall. Lance, in my opinion, is exactly the kind of player Geelong are after - a bulking, strong marking forward with the ability to hold down the FF post well.

So, how's about I give you Bartel and Cameron Mooney for Big Red? Bartel in my mind is an out-and-out future star prospect, however has become disgruntled due to his mismanagement at Geelong and supposedly wants out (And I hate it.. :()

He was taken at pick 8 in the 2001 draft and Captained a rather strong Geelong Falcons side in the TAC cup. Has a lot of class and beautiful disposal - God only knows why we want to rid ourselves of such class. Apparently however, his defensive side lacks something, though I'm sure it's nothing Pagan can't fix.

Mooney runs the potential club. He bleeds potential with his bulky frame and certainly has the potential to break games open. Last year, when Geelong won 7 on the trot, he was the driving force behind our wins. He was at his peak and really looked like he was finally starting to mature. Unfortunately however, he fell back into his deep and darkened hole this season, giving away free kicks tirelessly and looked out of his depth on several occasions. However, he's a KPP and KPPs are very handy to have. Perhaps with a little guidance from his previous master (Pagan, we got Mooney from North whilst he was at the helm) he would finally fulfill his potential consistently.

Another couple of players I'd suggest would be David Spriggs and Kent Kingsley. Spriggs shot out of the blocks in his first season, played a phenomenal amount of games for a kid straight out of the U18's, and looked like he was on his way to superstardom, Crawford-esque (okay, so I might be ****ing him up a tad). As we all know, however, Spriggs had an a rather serious accident which saw his knee give way, but he has been able to fight back and rightfully, claim his place in the side. Sometimes, his disposal is questionable, but on the whole his tenacity and spirit overrules his poor kicking.

Kingsley is always short changed, in my opinion. Whilst I'm not his biggest fan, he's a very vaulable goal kicker. Why on earth would Geelong want to give up a valuable goal kicker, given their forward structural problems, you ask? Well quite simply, Kingsley tends to make us one-dimensional, where he becomes the sole target in our forward line. This rids us of the element of unpredicitabilty (Which arises having multiple forwards - which one are we going to kick to?) and for some reason creates a dilemma where we cannot play Kingsley, Playfair, Mooney, Steve Johnson and McCarthy in the same forward line. Kingsley would be good value to Carlton, he could play on a flank and he'd probably give you a servicable 35 - 50 goals a season, also wouldn't mind the Pagan approach, he's had it before :).

So basically, make up a trade with these players in exchange for Lance Whitnall... I'd be interested on your thoughts, thanks.
 
Originally posted by Adrenaline
Bartel, Mooney and Spriggs for Whitnall?

Bending Geelong over backwards there.

Bartel and Kingsley would be the best deal out of those 4 players I previously mentioned.

what about wocinski?

What else do you want, Monica and ... ?
 

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We haven't got many quality players in that age group(23-27) at Carlton. So I guess I would hold out for as much as I can get for a Player like Whitnall. Might throw in a player like Livingston to get the deal done.
 
Originally posted by Adrenaline
We haven't got many quality players in that age group(23-27) at Carlton. So I guess I would hold out for as much as I can get for a Player like Whitnall. Might throw in a player like Livingston to get the deal done.

Whitnall and Livingston for Spriggs, Bartel and Mooney?


Hmmm, maybe. Still feel a tad short changed, though.

Whitnall is coming off a knee injury and hasn't exactly had a super season.
 
I'm sorry, but Whitnall will be a foundation towards our re-building plan. I'm confident that he can get his form up (he was getting there against West Coast)... but we need some leadership in the forward line. Sure, Whitnall may be "fat", "slow" and a few cms short of the perfect height for a CHF, but that hasn't stopped him before. He has the ability, talent and fitness to become one of the better CHFs again, but he'll need plenty of confidence and some support.

There is the midfield factor. He is not struggling because of the gameplan, it's because our midfield is so crap that they can't deliever the ball into the forward 50 properly. It was no surprise that Whitnall kicked 70 goals in 2000 because we had the best delievery in the competition; but what convinced me to keep him was his efforts in 2002.

Consider that in 2002, we had a worse midfield than today and a far weaker gameplan with lower inside 50s. Whitnall missed half a preseason last year, played down back a lot of time time, but was still in contention of an AA position at CHF before Fevola crashed into him. His form prior his injury was fantastic... in a team with the worst midfield (with hardly any forward delivery) but still managed to be very good. He was more confident, unfitter and weighed more than this year. what does that tell you? Either his confidence is down, or he can't relate to Pagan well. I realise there has been a huge amount of pressure on him, but he's got to stop thinking he's Wayne Carey. It's obvious that he doesn't like the gameplan, but he'd better accept and and change how he goes about playing in that particular plan. Find space, take a lot of marks, kick a couple of goals here and there, give leadership to the forward line, be a physical presense and run the game out.

He can do all of this, if his mind is on it. If he can get his confidence back, then we'll be regretting it. Besides, there is too much support for him to be traded. If he does, I have no doubt a majority would want blood spilled. We know what he's capable of doing, and he's still 23! I would consider trading him if he was 26-28 but age gives him another chance. He has time to redeem himself.

He's not going anywhere (and please, no fat jokes this time ;)).
 
I agree keep Whitnall if we can inject our midfield with pace (ie:Beetham or other guys not getting a run at other clubs.), but if this is not possible then we must trade Whitnall to pick up guys that are ready to play next year such as Bartel and Spriggs. Mooney is a premiership player under Pagan and is only 25 next year, he knows the game plan already and at least could do alot of the hard work while the youngsters come on such as Waite, Fisher, Norman and Angwin(if not locked up).

Whitnall will be 25 next year.
 
Originally posted by Shaitan
Whitnall and Livingston for Spriggs, Bartel and Mooney?


Hmmm, maybe. Still feel a tad short changed, though.

Whitnall is coming off a knee injury and hasn't exactly had a super season.
Hmmm, what sort of season are Bartel and Mooney coming off?

It's a sellers market and the Cats need a Whitnall more than we need unproven midfielders. We need midfielders granted but we are banking on potential whereas you are banking on injuries or lack of.

A deal like this would depend if we missed Brown, Stevens, Guerra etc etc and still had to pick up a couple of midfielders. I agree with Thrawn though that we would prefer to build a side around Lance.

Aren't the Cats happy with Rawlings at CHF, fit, eager and freshly chauffeured to the Bay?
 
Carlton are very keen on Jimmy Bartel as are WCE :confused:. I'll be pis*ed if he leaves but it looks as if he will. Whitnall and Rawlings would provide us with some super targets up forward and would be huge gets for us. I actually rate Whitnall above Jade simply on the fact he is a proven goal kicker who plays on the best defender each week.

Whitnall for Bartel + Mooney + our 4th rd?
Whitnall for Bartel + Wojcinski?

These kids are no mugs and are midfielders in the right age bracket ie. capable of playing 200 games for the CFC. Just coz we are currently sh*t, mainly because we are so young, doesnt mean our youngster are no good. Look I may have this horrible wrong but these kids will be much better players than Guerra and other fringe players some Blues fans are desperate to get. What do you guys reckon?
 

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Originally posted by The Old Dark Navy's
Hmmm, what sort of season are Bartel and Mooney coming off?


Point taken RE: Mooney, but you could hardly fathom the season Bartel has had, especially considering he's only a kid in his second season. Bartel played 13 games of football, and was only really considered a selection when people put pressure on Thompson to play him. During those 13 games, he won the hearts of many Geelong supporters for his obvious class - brilliant disposal in particular, something we lacked all season. (Similarly with Ablett, sure the hype of the name was one reason for the euphoria, and some got carried away, but he's just such a classy player)

It's a sellers market and the Cats need a Whitnall more than we need unproven midfielders. We need midfielders granted but we are banking on potential whereas you are banking on injuries or lack of.

That is an excellent point, although I would hardly call Bartel unproven (but hey, I'm biased). He would slot nicely into the Carlton midfield and would reward you with 20+ possessions every week. All quality.

I agree with Thrawn though that we would prefer to build a side around Lance.

Times are tough at Carlton, we're all intelligent beings in hindsight, but I fear you could be staring down the barrel in a few years thinking, perhaps we should have drafted Bartel and Kingsley in exchange for Whitnall... After all, Whitnall would have to be as proven as Bartel. Whitnall's first season was absolutely sensational, and was touted as perhaps the next Carey (Which somebody alluded to); however, 3 years down the track, Carlton are sitting down the bottom (for obvious reasons - grossly unfair penalty IMO) and Whitnall isn't Carey-like, in fact he's struggling to play under Pagan. Maybe he needs the change, and maybe we over rated him in the first place - maybe he was just in a good team. It's a balancing act, would Whitnall prove to carry the value of say a classy midfielder and a valuable flanker? Who knows... only time will tell.

Aren't the Cats happy with Rawlings at CHF, fit, eager and freshly chauffeured to the Bay?

Thanks smart ass, he's off to Melbourne ;)
 
First timer so go easy....

Whitnall would be a much better get than Rawlings. Geelong desprately needs a BIG key forward not another Mitchel White. Rawlings has had one great season as a 2nd/3rd string forward out of many alright years. He cannot fill the No. 1 forward position.
 
Originally posted by Skoff
First timer so go easy....

Whitnall would be a much better get than Rawlings. Geelong desprately needs a BIG key forward not another Mitchel White. Rawlings has had one great season as a 2nd/3rd string forward out of many alright years. He cannot fill the No. 1 forward position.

I am most definitely of that opinion.

I think Whitnall has potential, and could be a star - I just don't understand what the deal is with him at Carlton. Perhaps he's living in Fevola's shadow now? Fevola seems to have quickly become Carlton's main target (Pagan's doing), and Whitnall seems to have dropped off considerably...I know there were rumours revolving around the relationship of Pagan and Whitnall, a case of whereever there's smoke, there's fire perhaps?
 
Originally posted by Skoff
First timer so go easy....

Whitnall would be a much better get than Rawlings. Geelong desprately needs a BIG key forward not another Mitchel White. Rawlings has had one great season as a 2nd/3rd string forward out of many alright years. He cannot fill the No. 1 forward position.

I reckon 80% of Geelong fans agree with you. Being experienced at playing on the oppositions best defender is a huge plus in my book.
 
Whitnall's first season was absolutely sensational, and was touted as perhaps the next Carey (Which somebody alluded to)

Actually, he was sensational in '99 and 2000 where he kicked 55 and 70 goals respectively. That at an age of only 19-20! People always imply that he's too fat and too slow but despite these limitations, he can still provide a large influence on the field (no pun intended). He can play down back too, read the play and provide that extra leadership. But he's better suited to CHF.
 

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Originally posted by BigCat1
I reckon 80% of Geelong fans agree with you. Being experienced at playing on the oppositions best defender is a huge plus in my book.
Proudly a member of the 20% group then.
 
Originally posted by Turkey Tom
Whitnall for pick 7

Unfortunately, Carlton can't accept first-round draft selections :(

Although, not sure I'd want to give up our first-round for Whitnall.... Come on down Ferguss ;)
 
Whitnall to Geelong
Geelongs first pick and player (Need to be a decent player).
to Port Adelaide.
Stevens & Guerra to Carlton.

How about that one.........not that I want Whitnall to go but, it's the thought that counts..
 
Originally posted by SurreyBlue
Whitnall to Geelong
Geelongs first pick and player (Need to be a decent player).
to Port Adelaide.
Stevens & Guerra to Carlton.

How about that one.........not that I want Whitnall to go but, it's the thought that counts..

So Carlton can accept first-round draft picks?
 

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