Who has won out..after 2 1/2 seasons?

[Catsace]

Wondering from Richmond fans whom they feel has done better out of the Ottens trade. We gave Richmond our picks 12 and 16 for him, costing us the chronically injured but young Brent Moloney who went to Melbourne, but have gained a bloke who has now established himself as our premier ruckman, and a massive boost since King has become injured/lost form. This Tigers drafted Adam Pattison and Danny Meyer with the two picks gained, so wondering do you feel you have more to gain long term by your choices? As a Cats fan, Otto, despite being maligned when tried as a forward, has been fantastic in the ruck. We're glad we have him!!

 

[Weaver]

You ignore the most important factor. Richmond were is debt, losing money, and had to cut our football budget. Moving on Ottens and Fiora would have saved us 600k (?). Simmonds came in on a long-but-low contract meaning we still had savings.

You won't find any Richmond supporter who doesn't think Simmonds replacing Ottens was a bad move.

Pattison will never be as talented as Ottens. But then Ottens will never have the heart of Patto. In that mythical big-game-final in the future I think I'd prefer to have Patto in my team than Ottens.

 

[Harvey Leadpipe]

As one of the very few Tigers supporters that do not harbour any ill feelings towards Ottens, I am not displeased at all to see him doing well. He has added a string to Geelong's bow that may form a necessary ingredient towards premiership success. However, if he had stayed at Richmond, would we be in a different position? Probably not, our problems stem a lot deeper than missing a ruckmen. Meyer has not proven or really even shown anything yet, but Patto shows more heart than nearly any bloke on anyone's list. When the Tiges will be in a position (hopefully 3-4 years???) to start being consistent finals contenders, Patto will have served his apprenticeship, having been thrown in the deep end contender against more accomplished types earlier in his career. I have seen a lot in Patto since his debut, and although he has been scrutinised by many of the "eat our own" Tiges supporters since day 1, he will be there serving RFC long after the memory of Ottens was forgotten.

Answer to your question: Ottens achieving success now, but I wouldn't have him back.

 

[PUNTROADHAMMER]

You're taking the pi$$ Cats Ar$e.
I wouldn't have begrudged Geelong breaking their GF hoodoo as I have many Geelong supporting friends who regularly express their pain.
As a result of you're puerile little post I'm no longer sure.
If you're bored go and set the neighbours dog on fire - again!

 

[PLSC]

at the time it was a cracking deal 2 first rounders for a pea heart of a bloke on big money

the way we used those selections though is a different story

 

[astro_toby]

ottens, who was drafted as your forward solution ended up being a rucking solution when king went down.

ottens the forward showed he cant handle the pressure of being the go to man

ottens the ruckman has been a good player - but certainly not an AA ruckman or a match winner

we drafted pattison, who is quickly becoming the supporters choice - and danny meyer who has been disappointing and will most likely be off loaded at the end of the season - i guess it depends what we may acquire for him, which will really give us a better opinion of that side of things (much talk meyer for meesen at seasons end, who was taken at pick9 in that same draft )

the other flip side is if ottens had of stayed, we wouldnt have had the $$$ to go for simmonds.

So in a complete view of things

Ottens & Fiora for Simmonds, pattison, meyer

i am very happy with - as i think simmonds is the best player on that list, and pattison the 3rd best player on that list.

geelong's perspective - ottens for pattison and maloney - i would imagine you would have been happy with, because of kings terrible form

ottens was giving us nothing - he showed little passion and we were not in a position to have one of our highest paid players to have that attitude.

so yes i am happy - as i probably think geelong would be

 

[Goldust]

NOT sad to see Ottens go, but good luck to him. Seems to be playing some decent footy this year.

Would hardly say his 2005 and 2006 were anything to write home about...if anything, he was a huge disappointment.

We ended up with Simmonds anyway, who has been good after a sluggish start in 05.

But PLSC hits the nail on the head, we should have made more of our selections 12 and 16. Patto - the jury is still out. I chamge my mind on him on a week to week basis. On one hand he's slow and uncordinated, on the other he can find the pill (which is half the battle) and for application and determination I doubt we have anyone better at Tigerland, save for Foley and Richo. And then there is Danny Meyer!!!!!!!!! A tragedy unfolding before our very eyes. A player who can play, but just doesn't seem to give a stuff about it all!!!

 

[Catsace]

You're taking the pi$$ Cats Ar$e.
I wouldn't have begrudged Geelong breaking their GF hoodoo as I have many Geelong supporting friends who regularly express their pain.
As a result of you're puerile little post I'm no longer sure.
If you're bored go and set the neighbours dog on fire - again!

No intention of this post being anything but a simple analysis, and i wasn't aware that part of the spin off from that trade was Richmond trading Fiora for Simmonds, which in anyone's language is an excellent get.

Nathan G also got picked up in that year, so i think there is no question that Richmond gave themselves a strong hand in the context of who they dealt off (Otto and Fiora). I was mainly saying that however it's worked out, i as a Cats fan am happy that Otto has turned it on in the ruck, maybe showing a string to his bow that perhaps Geelong was not fully aware of at the time of his trading. Upshot is probably a win-win situation.

 

[astro_toby]

No intention of this post being anything but a simple analysis, and i wasn't aware that part of the spin off from that trade was Richmond trading Fiora for Simmonds, which in anyone's language is an excellent get.

Nathan G also got picked up in that year, so i think there is no question that Richmond gave themselves a strong hand in the context of who they dealt off (Otto and Fiora). I was mainly saying that however it's worked out, i as a Cats fan am happy that Otto has turned it on in the ruck, maybe showing a string to his bow that perhaps Geelong was not fully aware of at the time of his trading. Upshot is probably a win-win situation.

nathan wasn't taken that season - he was the season previous to that.

at richmond, we knew of his rucking ability - he mainly played there in his final year with us.

thats why when you fella's were touting him as your full forward solution - we smirked - he is not good or mentally strong enough to play that position.

he is lucky king fell away - and you are lucky that when king fell away - you had otto waiting.

if he still was having to play full forward though - i don't think u would be wrapt with his output - people underestimate a) how good richo is - he was pretty much double teamed back then & b) how much pressure that took of ottens in regards to match ups - as he would usually get the 2nd or 3rd tall defender - and usually he outsized them, and if he didn't he was more mobile than them.

 

[Bunga_From_65]

all of you! leave him alone!

 

[astro_toby]

all of you! leave him alone!

LOL

forgotten about that

 

[Bojangles17]

Pattison will never be as talented as Ottens. But then Ottens will never have the heart of Patto. In that mythical big-game-final in the future I think I'd prefer to have Patto in my team than Ottens.

thats sums it up in my book, a mature Patto could one day assume a leadership role at RFC that will have a far greater impact on our performance that a dissapointing Otto could hope to muster, good luck to him, we needed him out as he was part of the rot that was too damn comfy in just playing league footy

 

[Stoney]

As a completely unbias 3rd party (who happens to go for Geelong and is therefore going to be bias) let me sum it up for EVERYBODY Geelong and Richmond supporters alike.

In theory, Pick 12 + Pick 16 >>> Brad Ottens

In reality, Brad Ottens >>> Adam Patison and Denny Meyer

The fact is - Richmond could have possibly whipped us in that deal HAD they drafted wisely. The reality is they didn't - and therefore Geelong got the better of that deal.

Had Richmond drafted 2 of: Matthew Bate (Pick 13), Angus Monfries (14), Nathan Van Berlo (24), Chris Knights (56), Brent Prismall (32), Justin Sherman (45) or Matthew Egan (62) ......... then they would have clearly won out on the deal.

Had Richmond taken Moloney instead of 12 (Meyer) so that made it Moloney + Pattison they probably would have won out on the deal.

What were Richmond scouts thinking that year? Oh my bad - they weren't! Hence why they drafted Tambling ahead of Lance Franklin and Jordan Lewis.

 

[PLSC]

As a completely unbias 3rd party (who happens to go for Geelong and is therefore going to be bias) let me sum it up for EVERYBODY Geelong and Richmond supporters alike.

In theory, Pick 12 + Pick 16 >>> Brad Ottens

In reality, Brad Ottens >>> Adam Patison and Denny Meyer

The fact is - Richmond could have possibly whipped us in that deal HAD they drafted wisely. The reality is they didn't - and therefore Geelong got the better of that deal.

Had Richmond drafted 2 of: Matthew Bate (Pick 13), Angus Monfries (14), Nathan Van Berlo (24), Chris Knights (56), Brent Prismall (32), Justin Sherman (45) or Matthew Egan (62) ......... then they would have clearly won out on the deal.

Had Richmond taken Moloney instead of 12 (Meyer) so that made it Moloney + Pattison they probably would have won out on the deal.

What were Richmond scouts thinking that year? Oh my bad - they weren't! Hence why they drafted Tambling ahead of Lance Franklin and Jordan Lewis.

you just about summed it up but i still rate meyer!

people around here think he's gone but you just dont trade away your first round picks from only 3 years ago especially when they are skinny not-yet-hit-puberty footballers

moloney's groins are stuffed anyway

 

[Wally07]

Don't believe either of us have done that well so far.

Considering the hype Ottens seems to have done f*&k all in his two and a half years, I actually think blake is a better ruckman, and the jury is definitely still out on our two draft picks.

 

[IDGAF]

No intention of this post being anything but a simple analysis, and i wasn't aware that part of the spin off from that trade was Richmond trading Fiora for Simmonds, which in anyone's language is an excellent get.

Nathan G also got picked up in that year, so i think there is no question that Richmond gave themselves a strong hand in the context of who they dealt off (Otto and Fiora). I was mainly saying that however it's worked out, i as a Cats fan am happy that Otto has turned it on in the ruck, maybe showing a string to his bow that perhaps Geelong was not fully aware of at the time of his trading. Upshot is probably a win-win situation.

Other than 6 weeks of footy for you guys this year Ottens has been as big a waste of space on your list as he was ours .

LMAO @ Cats fans lauding the success of his recruitment now .

Just leave him alone ... alright ... leave him alone .

All this shows is the guy is a down-hill skier for mine .

Moral of the story is catsace is ..."Don`t get too far ahead of yourselves" ... i will rate Brad ottens a success when he is a key figure in a finals campaign for the GFC ... until then he is a chump

 

[duckboy]

What were Richmond scouts thinking that year? Oh my bad - they weren't! Hence why they drafted Tambling ahead of Lance Franklin and Jordan Lewis.

I don't necessarily think that Meyer and Patto were the best use of those picks, but Tambling was a lock-in at 3. He was widely touted as a #1 prospect at the time.

 

[Bojangles17]

Had Richmond drafted 2 of: Matthew Bate (Pick 13), Angus Monfries (14), Nathan Van Berlo (24), Chris Knights (56), Brent Prismall (32), Justin Sherman (45) or Matthew Egan (62) ......... then they would have clearly won out on the deal.

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all that tripe proves is what a %^$#head you really are, do you also kick your feet in the sand every sunday morning cursing why your lotto numbers didnt come up...if only huh...FFS, go away and stop insulting the ordinary footy fans intelligence with your drivel...there's always the geelong board for that

 

[Stoney]

Had Richmond drafted 2 of: Matthew Bate (Pick 13), Angus Monfries (14), Nathan Van Berlo (24), Chris Knights (56), Brent Prismall (32), Justin Sherman (45) or Matthew Egan (62) ......... then they would have clearly won out on the deal.

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all that tripe proves is what a %^$#head you really are, do you also kick your feet in the sand every sunday morning cursing why your lotto numbers didnt come up...if only huh...FFS, go away and stop insulting the ordinary footy fans intelligence with your drivel...there's always the geelong board for that

Someone got out of the wrong side of the bed today... there was absolutely no intention to offend Richmond with me naming the players that u turned down for Meyer and Pattison - I was simply stating HAD you drafted them the argument over who 'won out' of the Ottens trade would have been closed.

It's ok if ur still sour on that trade - just don't let it affect they way u treat others on this forum.

 

[Ando_4]

Before this year I would have said Richmond easily.
BUT
Meyer is rapidly becoming a disaster and the expensive Ottens finally looking comfortable at Geelong.

I think the cats are ahead at this point.