Why do we let so-called 'good' teams outplay us so easily?

[legendtofski]

Just watching some of the highlights on the telly, and it just bugs be when we allow teams that aren't that great outplay us so easily in crucial moments...We let Richmond towel us, then we let Essendon win a game that we should have won, and now we let Adeliade...

In each game it was an individual, sort of 'over the hill' forward destroy us. With Richmond Richo came from nowhere, with Bummer Lllooyyyddd and today it was Burton..

I really miss the days when we had a Doull or Southby or SOs or Peter Dean or even a McKay...It was telling when T-Bird injured himself, but really we won't start moving up the ladder until we get a player than can negate the influence of these fading champions.

We really need to make a pick-up like Richmond did with a Polak type player, coz it's still a hole in our gameplan, and we need another option to cylce through.

I mean Pagan set in place our midfield rebuild from 2004 on, but we really need to rebuild our defense as it's stopping us from winning these games that we seem to get to get a grip on, but lose after half-time.

The boys need to learn the importance of 'the Premiership Quarter' as it seems to have vacated the brainspace of the Carlton team of this decade.

 

[thylacine60]

Sorry, but we need a CHF more than Ross Lyon needs a personality. Really.

 

[THE_GUN]

joel bowden will be on the market for a new home at the end of the season, could fit in well in the carlton backline.
would provide valuble experiance to a very young backline
any thoughts.

 

[bakerboy]

joel bowden will be on the market for a new home at the end of the season, could fit in well in the carlton backline.
would provide valuble experiance to a very young backline
any thoughts.

We will offer up Lawrence Angwin.

 

[celtic_pride]

We need time and be patient ...

Also we had like one fit player on the bench for most of the 2nd half, so It's not all doom and gloom ...

But geez Chambermaid shits me bigtime ... (that tosser umpire)

 

[wavefall21]

Just watching some of the highlights on the telly, and it just bugs be when we allow teams that aren't that great outplay us so easily in crucial moments...We let Richmond towel us, then we let Essendon win a game that we should have won, and now we let Adeliade...

In each game it was an individual, sort of 'over the hill' forward destroy us. With Richmond Richo came from nowhere, with Bummer Lllooyyyddd and today it was Burton..

I really miss the days when we had a Doull or Southby or SOs or Peter Dean or even a McKay...It was telling when T-Bird injured himself, but really we won't start moving up the ladder until we get a player than can negate the influence of these fading champions.

We really need to make a pick-up like Richmond did with a Polak type player, coz it's still a hole in our gameplan, and we need another option to cylce through.

I mean Pagan set in place our midfield rebuild from 2004 on, but we really need to rebuild our defense as it's stopping us from winning these games that we seem to get to get a grip on, but lose after half-time.

The boys need to learn the importance of 'the Premiership Quarter' as it seems to have vacated the brainspace of the Carlton team of this decade.

look i know we are a young side and all, but we definitely could have won that yesterday, i agree adel aren't great, but they are good enough and too experienced not to make us pay for the amount of turnovers we had in the second half, there's no way you can expect to win gams of footy when u turn it over as much as we did......we definitely should have been further up at qtr time, but we really had the chance to win that......even though we prob wouldnt have come back before the waite decision, we still had time to come back and make a game of it, but that decision really ruined it

 

[legendtofski]

this is what's frustrating. Adelaide are a 'good ordinary team', the will probably make top 4, playing good ordinary footy and will get knocked out early in the finals - just like North..thing is their 'good ordinary' footy is more consistent and their 'good ordinary' players are better than our mid-range 'good ordinary' players..

i mean we know the suspects, it's prlly not worth analysing, unless we lose next week...

 

[Mike_blues]

this is what's frustrating. Adelaide are a 'good ordinary team', the will probably make top 4, playing good ordinary footy and will get knocked out early in the finals - just like North..thing is their 'good ordinary' footy is more consistent and their 'good ordinary' players are better than our mid-range 'good ordinary' players..

i mean we know the suspects, it's prlly not worth analysing, unless we lose next week...

ad sydney to that
ordinary good teams go out in finals... excellent ordinary sides win grand finals

 

[TooFar]

The arrogance on this board is unbelievable. You tanking supporters are have absolutely nothing to be arrogant about. Since having to compete with the best in the land, you have proven to be nothing more than a bumbling, incompetent rabble. Once you get you heads out of you arses you may progress up the ladders, but until then, enjoy you priority picks.

 

[The Real Deal]

When you've got a lot of yougsters in the side (our ave. games per player in this match was about 57- Adelaide was near 100) you're going to burn a few matches that you should win. These same guys were excellent in the win over Collingwood, but didn't quite back it up in this match.

I thought we were extremely impressive in the 1st quarter, and wasn't surprised that Neil Craig said the pressure applied early on was the best they had faced this year. The inaccurate kicking cost us- if you turn 5.7 into 8.4 that's a sizeable lead at 1/4 time.

We really sparked their revival with poor mistakes in the back half. We then started to look undermanned with the injuries.

Overall a fair few positives. The young players need to learn from this and I'm sure they will.

 

[Blue Dawn]

The arrogance on this board is unbelievable. You tanking supporters are have absolutely nothing to be arrogant about. Since having to compete with the best in the land, you have proven to be nothing more than a bumbling, incompetent rabble. Once you get you heads out of you arses you may progress up the ladders, but until then, enjoy you priority picks.

Umm, card this sh!t for brains will ya!

 

[Stiffy_18]

look i know we are a young side and all, but we definitely could have won that yesterday, i agree adel aren't great, but they are good enough and too experienced not to make us pay for the amount of turnovers we had in the second half, there's no way you can expect to win gams of footy when u turn it over as much as we did......we definitely should have been further up at qtr time, but we really had the chance to win that......even though we prob wouldnt have come back before the waite decision, we still had time to come back and make a game of it, but that decision really ruined it

I think there is this myth that Adelaide are an experienced side. Throughout this year we have had around 7 or 8 young, inexperinced players (30 AFL games or less at the start of the year) in the side every week.

For instance, players like Tippett, Griffin, MacKay, Symes, Vince, Douglas and Porplyzia have all played less than 30 AFL games at the start of the season. Add to that the likes od Stevens, van Berlo, Bock, Knights etc that have not played 100 AFL games yet (some of them not even 50) and you have a pretty inexperienced, young side on your hands.

I think our youngsters are standing up and performing well enough for us to win some games. Will they run out of gas towards the end of the year? Who knows but so far this year in 6 rounds we have had 4 debutants and a couple of other players with 0 AFL games to their name being regular emergencies in Dangerfield and Otten.

Just because we still have players like Goodwin, Burton, Edwards and McLeod, it doesn't mean that as a side we are an experienced outfit.

 

[a1118374]

I think there is this myth that Adelaide are an experienced side. Throughout this year we have had around 7 or 8 young, inexperinced players (30 AFL games or less at the start of the year) in the side every week.

For instance, players like Tippett, Griffin, MacKay, Symes, Vince, Douglas and Porplyzia have all played less than 30 AFL games at the start of the season. Add to that the likes od Stevens, van Berlo, Bock, Knights etc that have not played 100 AFL games yet (some of them not even 50) and you have a pretty inexperienced, young side on your hands.

I think our youngsters are standing up and performing well enough for us to win some games. Will they run out of gas towards the end of the year? Who knows but so far this year in 6 rounds we have had 4 debutants and a couple of other players with 0 AFL games to their name being regular emergencies in Dangerfield and Otten.

Just because we still have players like Goodwin, Burton, Edwards and McLeod, it doesn't mean that as a side we are an experienced outfit.

yeah i see what your saying but i disagree. These players have played 150+ (guessing) as well as playing them together. add in thompson and the steady backline structure and it adds up. we have none of this. our experiences players.....judd, stevens..fev? we have 22-24 yr olds as our real leaders at the club. You are overwhelmingly more experienced than us

 

[mediumsizered]

I think there is this myth that Adelaide are an experienced side. Throughout this year we have had around 7 or 8 young, inexperinced players (30 AFL games or less at the start of the year) in the side every week.

For instance, players like Tippett, Griffin, MacKay, Symes, Vince, Douglas and Porplyzia have all played less than 30 AFL games at the start of the season. Add to that the likes od Stevens, van Berlo, Bock, Knights etc that have not played 100 AFL games yet (some of them not even 50) and you have a pretty inexperienced, young side on your hands.

I think our youngsters are standing up and performing well enough for us to win some games. Will they run out of gas towards the end of the year? Who knows but so far this year in 6 rounds we have had 4 debutants and a couple of other players with 0 AFL games to their name being regular emergencies in Dangerfield and Otten.

Just because we still have players like Goodwin, Burton, Edwards and McLeod, it doesn't mean that as a side we are an experienced outfit.

You can add Bassett, Johncock, McGregor, Shirley, Thompson, Rutten & Stevens (both who are nearing 100 games) & even the 25 year old Bock to that list. That gives you 12 experienced/hard bodied players against our 7 (Fev, Fisher, Judd, Scotland, Stevens, Thornton & Waite) & after the 1st quarter that was reduced by one with the loss of Thornton. Among Adelaide's best players in yesterday's game, according to the AFL website, were Thompson, Burton, Johncock, Goodwin, McLeod, Shirley, Edwards & Bock. Therein lies the difference between the 2 teams.

 

[prettyboy65]

You can add Bassett, Johncock, McGregor, Shirley, Thompson, Rutten & Stevens (both who are nearing 100 games) & even the 25 year old Bock to that list. That gives you 12 experienced/hard bodied players against our 7 (Fev, Fisher, Judd, Scotland, Stevens, Thornton & Waite) & after the 1st quarter that was reduced by one with the loss of Thornton. Among Adelaide's best players in yesterday's game, according to the AFL website, were Thompson, Burton, Johncock, Goodwin, McLeod, Shirley, Edwards & Bock. Therein lies the difference between the 2 teams.

couldnt of said it better myself
i think this year we should be taking all wins as a bonus
we will drop games from a winning position
but that is expected of a young team
if we lose this week
thats when we worry

 

[Stiffy_18]

You can add Bassett, Johncock, McGregor, Shirley, Thompson, Rutten & Stevens (both who are nearing 100 games) & even the 25 year old Bock to that list. That gives you 12 experienced/hard bodied players against our 7 (Fev, Fisher, Judd, Scotland, Stevens, Thornton & Waite) & after the 1st quarter that was reduced by one with the loss of Thornton. Among Adelaide's best players in yesterday's game, according to the AFL website, were Thompson, Burton, Johncock, Goodwin, McLeod, Shirley, Edwards & Bock. Therein lies the difference between the 2 teams.

I never compared Adelaide to Carlton in terms of age. I just disputed this myth that Adelaide are a hard, experienced outfit with not many youngsters coming through when in actual fact as many as 7 or 8 players are inexperienced and there is also a decent group of players who have played less than 100 AFL games at the start of the season.

In years gone by you could argue that we were experienced, hardened side but I can't remember the last time we have fielded a side thats got as many inexperienced players as we have been doing this season. At no stage this year did we have side that didn't have less than 7 players with 30 AFL games or less of experience at the start of the year.

 

[legendtofski]

I never compared Adelaide to Carlton in terms of age. I just disputed this myth that Adelaide are a hard, experienced outfit with not many youngsters coming through when in actual fact as many as 7 or 8 players are inexperienced and there is also a decent group of players who have played less than 100 AFL games at the start of the season.

In years gone by you could argue that we were experienced, hardened side but I can't remember the last time we have fielded a side thats got as many inexperienced players as we have been doing this season. At no stage this year did we have side that didn't have less than 7 players with 30 AFL games or less of experience at the start of the year.

There is a valid point to make here, especially when you consider other 'young' sides like Hawthorn doing really well...But Carlton's experienced 'core' is way sh!tter than nearly every other team..

This notion of 'arrogance' is totally deserved, if you grew up in the 80s and 90s and experienced the brilliance of home-brewed VICTORIAN names like Doull, Southby, Harmes, Silvagni, Jimmy Buckley, Meldrum, Ashman, Gleason, Ratten etc..etc..

Sure the past is gone forever...but I mean we had teams that DEFINED the modern game, played a brand of footy that even a premiership winning Adelaide could only dream about. I mean Mil Hanna would be the type of player that plays like Adelaide play in the years since their last flag.

Maybe we need some Mil Hanna type players down back??! LOL!

But hence the arrogance of older supporters that LIVED those times, we have high expectations, but I do believe this team will adapt, we just stuffed up a few years back with the cheating and crap.

 

[Matt72]

Total Players By Games
Carlton Games Adelaide
11 Less than 50 8
6 50 to 99 4
4 100 to 149 5
1 150 or more 5



These figures based on Saturdays line-ups.
So in the critical 100+ game area they had twice as many players as we did which was quite telling.
In the less than 100 games area they had 12 to our 17 so at any given time they had no more than 55% of players on the ground with less than 100 games experience compared to Carlton who may have had up to 77% of players on the ground with less than 100 games experience.