Why Do We Need To Trade?

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I thought we were on the right track with Wallaces plan for sustained success. All year I have read how we just need to stick to the plan and we'll be right. All year I've been told that we need to be patient and the results will come.

Yet before our season is even completed there is practically a new thread every 1-2 days that links us to a player who wants to leave their current club. First it was Warnock & Mundy, then Brown, followed by Kerr, now it is Griffin.

If everything is going as great as a number of people think then why is there a train of thought that we suggests we need to throw away draft picks to chase these players?

 

[JSFish]

People are always going to talk about stuff like that now the season's finished basically finished.

And also take note that there are a large amount of posters on here that can't possibly see any improvement despite obvious improvement. So a lot of them would be talking about trading.

 

[sante]

Because a large number of Richmond supporters are bandwagoners. They are just following the trend of the media etc.

 

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People are always going to talk about stuff like that now the season's finished basically finished.

And also take note that there are a large amount of posters on here that can't possibly see any improvement despite obvious improvement. So a lot of them would be talking about trading.

Because a large number of Richmond supporters are bandwagoners. They are just following the trend of the media etc.

So would I be correct in assuming neither of you believe we should trade for players this year? No matter who it is.

 

[JSFish]

Well if we get a good deal we should.

 

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Well if we get a good deal we should.

Of those players we've been linked with, who would you trade for and what would trade to get them?

 

[sante]

Not 100% correct.

If we could get a young player relatively cheaply, eg. Prismall/Griffin/Thomson (Port) then I'd go for it, kind of like Morton last year.

I definately don't want us chasing a Mundy (HBFer which we have millions of), Kerr (There goes our 1st rounder), J Brown (See Kerr).

 

[TigerGlory]

Perhaps because we see our list as a genuine finals contendor for next year and importing a good player makes sense to fill in the gaps on our list?

 

[The Cotch]

Because Kerr is an absolute superstar. Youd be stupid not to look at him

 

[sante]

Matt Moody from the Lions. Was showing a bit a couple of years ago but is completely out of the Lions team. I think he is from WA, so he'll probably return there.

 

[JSFish]

Of those players we've been linked with, who would you trade for and what would trade to get them?

I wouldn't be hugely shattered if we didn't trade anyone.

I don't know a lot about the Griffin situation, but it sounds as though if he does leave, we'd be a fair chance. Not sure what Adelaide would want for him to be honest, but similar to Warnock, I wouldn't want to trade much more than a third rounder. Doubt they'd accept that though.

Don't want Kerr, worth too much, especially considering the doubts over him.

Prismall looks fairly decent. People might say he just looks good playing for Geelong, but he's rarely actually playing in their firsts, but more often racking up 40 touches in the reserves. If we can get him cheap then yes, but again, don't want to give up too much considering I don't see the midfield as one of our problems.

Mundy nah. Doesn't look too bad but he's just an average outside looking player. Not too hard to find elsewhere, and not too hard to find on our list.

Brown obviously would be great to get, but he'll cost half our team.

Obviously I'm not going to be willing to give up as much as some other posters who don't rate our list, especially in terms of giving up players.

Pretty much I don't want to trade any young players. Of our list, the only players I'd want us to trade are those who I hope will be delisted - Hyde (he's not terrible when he does get a game, but I don't know that any one else will want him), and Pettifer (third rounder if we're lucky. Again, he's not that bad. He can kick a goal). Other than that there's no one I'd want us to trade.

 

[Richo Rules]

because we are nowhere as good as some people may believe
we traded for nathan brown, polak, johnson, morton, mc mahon, simmonds and even tuck came from hawks rookie list although we drafted him

you always need good players and if you can get a good trade then you should look at doin it
dont need to trade your 1st pick though

also its not just about us in 5 years time we have to win games for our older stars in richo, bowden, simmo, brown and johnson and in picking up polak's and mc mahon's helps us to give them success too and if we are winning games our membership number go up as well
so if we can trade not much for a early 20's mid 20's player who will benefit us then you should do it

 

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Perhaps because we see our list as a genuine finals contendor for next year and importing a good player makes sense to fill in the gaps on our list?

What holes do you see in our list? And which players from those we've been linked with fill that/those holes?

Because Kerr is an absolute superstar. Youd be stupid not to look at him

How would you get what WC are asking for? Remember they have stated they want 2 picks inside the top 10 or no deal. We have pick 8, who do you trade to one of Melbourne, Port, Freo, Essendon, Carlton or Lions to get the other top 10 pick?

 

[JSFish]

Remember last year they weren't trading Judd unless they got pick 1.

 

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Remember last year they weren't trading Judd unless they got pick 1.

Last year Judd was out of contract and would have walked for nothing, they took what they could get. Kerr is contracted for next season, if they don't get what they want this year then Kerr stays.

 

[JSFish]

Question. I might look stupid for not knowing this, but can Kerr not just say he's leaving no matter what, even though he's contracted? Is he actually physically bound to stay there if WC don't want him to go? I would've thought he could still walk out, but he just won't get his money for next year at WC. And if he is bound to stay there unless WC give him permission, why would there even be talk of him being traded?

 

[TigerGlory]

What holes do you see in our list? And which players from those we've been linked with fill that/those holes?

Midfield. We need as many midfielders as we can get. Kerr's a superstar and we should at least try to get him.

I know your asking what we should give up. If the Weagles dont deal with us, then bugger them, we dont have to be their bitches. But we should give it a go anyway.

Pick 8 + Matt White is a starting point.

 

[JSFish]

The problem with putting up a player like Matt White is that we are always going to rate him a lot higher than the team we are trading him to, so while we might think it is more than enough, they will still want more.

 

[NQTIGER]

Because a large number of Richmond supporters are bandwagoners. They are just following the trend of the media etc.

We dont follow the trends.....We set the Media Agenda!!!!!!!!!

 

[TigerGlory]

The problem with putting up a player like Matt White is that we are always going to rate him a lot higher than the team we are trading him to, so while we might think it is more than enough, they will still want more.

West Coast supporters might bitch and moan about it. But i guarantee you that if you that if we offered Matt White to the Weagles themselves, they'd think it over.

Think about it, hes everything they need isnt he? A Nathan Foley look-alike in footballing potential. Its good, because i'd really like him to continue playing footy, and i dont think theres a spot in our Best 22 next year.

 

[nut]

I thought we were on the right track with Wallaces plan for sustained success. All year I have read how we just need to stick to the plan and we'll be right. All year I've been told that we need to be patient and the results will come.

Yet before our season is even completed there is practically a new thread every 1-2 days that links us to a player who wants to leave their current club. First it was Warnock & Mundy, then Brown, followed by Kerr, now it is Griffin.

If everything is going as great as a number of people think then why is there a train of thought that we suggests we need to throw away draft picks to chase these players?

Except for Mcmahon last year using pick 19 and swapping picks plus a third rnd pick to get Polak, our club under wallace and MILER have been very disciplined in the off season.
Personally I'd rather see us quiet again, but with Wallaces job on the line I can't see it happen.

People will naturally predict us to continue to improve next year but historically it doesn't always work that way, we had a great run of injuries this season and I think if we loose a couple players early we might be introuble, our depth even though it is getting a lot better still needs improvement.. Personally I want that improvement to come from within, but I hope the club is in better position to know wether that will be the case then I would.

The Rumblings about a Ruckman and Wallaces remarks about Warnock and that the club has said that we will look at him seems to lead to the fact that Simmonds is getting to the end of his career and his replacements are either not ready or wont make the grade. Simmonds may well find himself deep in the fowardline more times then not next season.
Pattison is safe and for a young 22 year old has a future for sure. Angus Graham's year has been littered with Injury and Carteledge only was able to break into the seniors when it was all but over..
Putt from all accounts is still developing and could turn out to be a gem....
So Why Warnock?? to answer this the club must want Three quality Rucks in the future. Pattison and Putt plus one more as a back up. Graham and Cartledge's may well be replaced by Warnock.
As I've stated in the past I'd rather see the club continue to build a midfield then trade for ruckman.

 

[Harry Bosch]

We don't

Only trade picks if you genuinely believe the player will give more long term value than the player you would get if you kept the pick..

don't trade for trading sake or short term fix or to fill some age gap crap..

Given kerr will cost at least two good young players capable of playing ten years it clearly doesn't fall into this category..

 

[JSFish]

Seriously Tiger Glory? You don't see a spot? I would've agreed with you last year, but this year he's just gone absolutely nuts. That's why I don't know that he'd be a good trade option, because we've seen this massive improvement, but to WC he might still just be a young player hanging on to a spot in a bottom 8 side.

 

[T4P]

So would I be correct in assuming neither of you believe we should trade for players this year? No matter who it is.

No matter who it is, we should not trade for players. Our only trading should be for draft picks. Otherwise we should have a quiet trade week.

 

[sante]

Pick 8 + Matt White is a starting point.

So we are developing quality youngsters so we can trade them off for a player who has his problems? White is Richmond through and through.

If we offered that I'd be pissed off.

Plus, you're talking about how important the midfield is yet you want to trade White (midfielder) and our Pick 8 (potential midfielder) to gain one midfielder?