Hot Topic Will Elijah Hollands get another gig at Carlton?

[Aphrodite]

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[WalshistheGOAT]

Only reason I can think of is to keep some people happy, if that is an issue internally

If that's the case we may as well just move on to preparations for 2027 already.

 

[Soapy V]

100%

Delist a kid with issues. Tell him to come back and train. Smashes it.

"Sorry I know you did everything asked of you but it turns out we still can't trust you or look past what you did last year. Best of luck!".

Maybe the criteria and support is more than just one pre season?

Maybe it’s a 12 month plan?

Who has promised him if he does a full pre season he will get a spot?

 

[Soapy V]

That's great Soapy, but you speaking in vague obscurities really doesn't provide much to the discussion

Neither does making points like that is 100% what is happening

I don’t know clubs thinking but people are making clear assumptions based on no evidence at all.

No one knows reasons for him training and what criteria is for him to come back. Could be a number of things and I am offering possibilities when people say there are none

One thing I do know for sure is that Elijah or anyone else have NOT been promised a spot if they get through pre season

 

[marcmurphy3]

Maybe the criteria and support is more than just one pre season?

Maybe it’s a 12 month plan?

Who has promised him if he does a full pre season he will get a spot?

Im not saying he has to get the spot. But if he doesnt it shouldn't be because of what happened last year, but rather his actions going forward.

If we can't get past what happened last year he shouldn't have a train on spot. He should be gone. Or, if we want to keep him around to support him we could sign him to our VFL squad. Or just support him outside the AFL system.

Whichever way you look at it, it'd be ridiculous to give him one of only 2 train on spots, unless we genuinely thought there was a decent chance we'd pick him. Same goes for White. For me thats just common sense.

 

[Soapy V]

Im not saying he has to get the spot. But if he doesnt it shouldn't be because of what happened last year, but rather his actions going forward.

If we can't get past what happened last year he shouldn't have a train on spot. He should be gone. Or, if we want to keep him around to support him we could sign him to our VFL squad. Or just support him outside the AFL system.

Whichever way you look at it, it'd be ridiculous to give him one of only 2 train on spots, unless we genuinely thought there was a decent chance we'd pick him. Same goes for White. For me thats just common sense.

Makes no sense to me and doesn’t consider many other issues

Could easily be that club are doing best by him by keeping him close?

With Phillips Paea Walley White Riley also training (and we can pick outside this group) it’s not a big deal letting him train. Positives to this far outweigh the negatives for so many reasons

We may even hold a spot over until mid season

 

[Bfevola]

Yep keeping LIJ and especially White is a waste. We should be trialling KPP positions.

White - is nothing special. Get it that he loves the club. But that shouldnt matter.
Lij - If he was bad enough to cut mid contract then why bother.

We dont use the SSP and Rookie system correctly sometimes.

Would rather go the untried Wes Walley. At least you are trying something different.

 

[Soapy V]

Yep keeping LIJ and especially White is a waste. We should be trialling KPP positions.

We do have Phillips & Paea training with us

 

[Bfevola]

Phillips is not the future. We need a young untried KPP.

Phillips is not athletic enough for todays game.

 

[Soapy V]

Phillips is not the future. We need a young untried KPP.

Phillips is not athletic enough for todays game.

Maybe but that’s subjective. You don’t pick a young KPP for the heck of it especially if no good ones are available. We passed on a few in draft so obviously didn’t rate any

Remember we have Dean & HOF on list. Both look good but are young

Phillips may be handy as depth and to play on bigger bodies whilst they develop

 

[ItsAllAboutMe]

If booting people out the door was THE solution to all of our cultural issues why didn't it work after we gave the ass to Stocker, Bootsma, Angwin, Yarran, etc.?

At some point we have to grow up as a club. Like Geelong who can actively recruit a problem child (Mitch Clark / Bailey Smith / etc.) and have the confidence that the club is strong enough culturally to deal with it.

Dumping people is a cop out and a good way to avoid dealing with the actual issues.

Geelong are not the blue print, do you honestly think we would have got away with having a player OD in a nightclub like they did with Stengle.... Geelong just have the media and the AFL in the palm of their hands which enables them to sweep uncomfortable truths under the carpet.

 

[JimmyRabbit49]

Well yes, otherwise they would.just be signed.

I think the point is when it's two train ons for every available spot it's in a clubs interest to give opportunities to guys who have a genuine chance.

How many players out there really have a genuine chance at making a train on spot?

Every year they would invite some players they pretty much think have the spot locked and some players they want to look at to see if they surprise or in case we have a ACL during pre-season

Elijah has clearly put himself behind the 8 ball

 

[JimmyRabbit49]

There's no logical reason we'd bring him to train on for a final list spot if we're no chance of picking him. And if that truly is our plan, whoever was in charge of formulating it should be shown the door for being a dumbass.

What if Ainsworth does his knee?

And I wouldn't say no chance - I would say there is a less than 5% chance

 

[JimmyRabbit49]

100%

Delist a kid with issues. Tell him to come back and train. Smashes it.

"Sorry I know you did everything asked of you but it turns out we still can't trust you or look past what you did last year. Best of luck!".

If we are trying to help him deal with his issues, Im not sure giving him false hope will be great for him.

That is life - you had your chance you blew it, which put you behind others in our calculations - so even though you came back and smashed it and ticked all our boxes, so did Will White/Wes Walley - so we are going in another direction.

 

[AndyLucimitis]

Geelong are not the blue print, do you honestly think we would have got away with having a player OD in a nightclub like they did with Stengle.... Geelong just have the media and the AFL in the palm of their hands which enables them to sweep uncomfortable truths under the carpet.

Agree there - Imagine Caro if that was a Carlton or Essendon player unconscious at a nightclub ?

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

What if Ainsworth does his knee?

And I wouldn't say no chance - I would say there is a less than 5% chance

Based on what? We've heard pretty much zilch from the club about his chances for next year

 

[Bamboo Harvester]

Elijah’s been given a set of targets to hit over the summer, told that if he meets them, he’ll secure the final spot on the list.

Right now, I am saying he will be at the club next year.

From two of our more informed posters - so what's changed since then for Lij to now have a less than 5% chance?

Schmurf's message though seems a bit more open - ie possibly offer him a spot on our VFL list?

 

[RPCB]

Based on what? We've heard pretty much zilch from the club about his chances for next year

It’s the vibe.

Incredible how many BigFooty posters know what the club are going to do regarding Elijah Hollands before they do.

 

[Soapy V]

It’s the vibe.

Incredible how many BigFooty posters know what the club are going to do regarding Elijah Hollands before they do.

Exactly

 

[Soapy V]

From two of our more informed posters - so what's changed since then for Lij to now have a less than 5% chance?

Schmurf's message though seems a bit more open - ie possibly offer him a spot on our VFL list?

Not arguing with any of them as they have good info but my question is with more than 2 months to go and several players trying out how does anyone know what will happen?

My opinion is that the club is trialling a few and depending upon form, injury, list needs etc will be open to anything and will not make a decision or guarantee until right up to the last minute

I personally wouldn't have put anyone above others. This time last year people were saying McMahon & Phillips were certainties

If we get through pre season injury free they may even hold position open until mid year

 

[The_BigFella]

A lot to play out, I guess. If I’m Voss coaching for my job, Lij could be a key difference — not just in how we play but in getting a couple of extra wins that could ultimately save his position. If he integrates well with the group and there are no divides (which would only hurt us more), he’d be pushing hard to get him the spot, in my opinion.

 

[GoBlues!]

From two of our more informed posters - so what's changed since then for Lij to now have a less than 5% chance?

Schmurf's message though seems a bit more open - ie possibly offer him a spot on our VFL list?

Yeah it’s possible EH has been offered a spot in the VFL, hence the delisting. The train on opportunity might be there as a first step to see if behaviour changes (or whatever the issues are) are being seriously addressed by him.

Things can also change quickly - 2 months might not be long enough to assess him, but if we cop a LTI is there a mid season intake where say after 7 months on the straight and narrow we would consider him?

All speculation of course, good news is there’s only 79 more days till we find out.

 

[JimmyRabbit49]

Based on what? We've heard pretty much zilch from the club about his chances for next year

Based on my conversation with a source very close to Will White (which i have posted previously)which corresponds with what xDQ82x and other ITK posters have said on here.

But my point is that your assertion that we are letting him train with 0% chance of a spot just is not true - even if the club is very confident right now that they will not take him his chances of getting picked by the club would remain above 0% - due to the possibility of injury to others or him just making an undeniable case for himself.

 

[JimmyRabbit49]

A lot to play out, I guess. If I’m Voss coaching for my job, Lij could be a key difference — not just in how we play but in getting a couple of extra wins that could ultimately save his position. If he integrates well with the group and there are no divides (which would only hurt us more), he’d be pushing hard to get him the spot, in my opinion.

This is really something I don't get - all the talk of EH being the difference maker - career he averages 16.5 disposals and 0.6 goals a game

 

[marcmurphy3]

I few itks are a yes on Lij, a few are a no. In either case, not sure anyone can be relied on with certainty as there's still a lot to play out.

As for casual observers, I dont think many are saying Lij has the spot with certainty. Just suggesting it'd be odd if chances are very low, given we've gone through the effort to offer him a train on spot and hes appearing to do well.

 

[C4[2]Yo`DooR]

It’s not surprising that there are differences in the messaging from the club depending on the source.

I know as fact that GW was keen for Elijah to leave, whereas the list management team wanted to retain him and give him a second chance (which is why he was offered a train-on position).

My guess is that these contrasting positions naturally lead to different messages being communicated through separate channels.

I don't think anyone could know for certain what the decision will be in 80 days time.