How far will Winderlich develope in 2006.
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Will Winderlich step up?
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I thought he's shown good signs pretty much every time i've seen him in the seniors. Needs to get more of the footy but so do most young midfielders.
I like the way in the 2nd half of last season he was trying to play to his strengths and run with the footy. Looks really determined too and apparently is training very well this pre season. I'd like to see him in our best 22, but he has extra competition with cole, campo and heff here now (though less without murphy).
I'll get off the fence and say he'll be a regular senior player.
I like the way in the 2nd half of last season he was trying to play to his strengths and run with the footy. Looks really determined too and apparently is training very well this pre season. I'd like to see him in our best 22, but he has extra competition with cole, campo and heff here now (though less without murphy).
I'll get off the fence and say he'll be a regular senior player.
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If his atitude and training is anything to go by he will have put himself in a position where he will get a chance to proove himself .
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I honestly dont know what winders will do. has pace and skill and for our sake I hope he begins to use it and commands a regular spot. I also think stants, dyson, lovett, monfries and slattery may have surpased him or will surpass his this year though
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jamesisabomber said:
Monfires and Slattery havnt surpassed him fitness wise so far this pre season but if he doesnt step up this year the younger blokes will have passed him.
Another one in the make or break category. Will never bulk up , has to rely on skill/smarts , getting enough game time seems a problem for him....that four on the bench has alot to answer for, some blokes don`t know wether they are coming or going.
With the speed that he posseses, he is a very valuable prospect. Very raw body was and probs wont grow. His skills by feet are average but are getting better.
Could well be an important player in the next 5-10 years
Could well be an important player in the next 5-10 years
marcuz
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There is a spot in midfield with his name on it and he knows it.
C: Winderlich - Stanton - Dyson
Lack of pace my arse!
C: Winderlich - Stanton - Dyson
Lack of pace my arse!
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Improving every year, but is he doing it quickly enough?
I expected him to have 40-50 games under his belt by now, not half that many.
I expected him to have 40-50 games under his belt by now, not half that many.
I think he'll have 4-5 games this year, and possibly be cut at year's end.
He's got pace, but at the seniors no footy sense at all. I look at the other youngsters (Dyson, Slattery, Monfries, Stanton, Watson, Lovett), and I think all of them will do better.
I think he's been hurt by Lovett's emergence. His one dimension is being taken by someone else, and I think with the speed the others have, we don't really need him solely for his pace.
Reminds me of Fraser a lot. Who wasn't good enough for a top team.
He's got pace, but at the seniors no footy sense at all. I look at the other youngsters (Dyson, Slattery, Monfries, Stanton, Watson, Lovett), and I think all of them will do better.
I think he's been hurt by Lovett's emergence. His one dimension is being taken by someone else, and I think with the speed the others have, we don't really need him solely for his pace.
Reminds me of Fraser a lot. Who wasn't good enough for a top team.
The difference between Winderlich and Lovett/Fraser, is the Licha will go and win his own ball. He's got more than one dimension, he's hard, has courage, runs, carries and can kick the footy. He likes playing hard, contested footy and that's one thing you can't teach a player.
He's never going to average 25 touches a game, but he can do a lot of damage with 15-20. His biggest problem last season was that he didn't have the tank to run both ways. He'd work so hard around the ball and forward of the ball when we had possession but then got burnt going back the other way.
He also seemed to be one of Sheedy's whipping boys. He'd get dropped when we'd lose, he'd get benched when he made a mistake, whilst others were afforded the time on the field to develop and learn from their mistakes. And he'd constantly get played out of position.
From all reports, he now has the tank to run out games of footy. He probably isn't quite in our best 22 if everyone is fit, but of course we are never going to have a full list to choose from. I'd like to see him given the opportunity to play as part of midfield rotation, and have him left on the field. I really think he'll prove a lot wrong if given the opportunity.
He's hungry.
He's never going to average 25 touches a game, but he can do a lot of damage with 15-20. His biggest problem last season was that he didn't have the tank to run both ways. He'd work so hard around the ball and forward of the ball when we had possession but then got burnt going back the other way.
He also seemed to be one of Sheedy's whipping boys. He'd get dropped when we'd lose, he'd get benched when he made a mistake, whilst others were afforded the time on the field to develop and learn from their mistakes. And he'd constantly get played out of position.
From all reports, he now has the tank to run out games of footy. He probably isn't quite in our best 22 if everyone is fit, but of course we are never going to have a full list to choose from. I'd like to see him given the opportunity to play as part of midfield rotation, and have him left on the field. I really think he'll prove a lot wrong if given the opportunity.
He's hungry.
Respectfully Long413, I disagree.
I think last year he showed a lack of something I value a great deal - football brains. He seemed to position himself wrong again and again. I agree that maybe I was a bit harsh saying he was one-dimensional, I wasn't expressing myself well. He does play a more rounded game. But except for his speed, I'd have said none of the other facets speak out that this kid's going to be an AFL footballer.
I don't think his ball winning is good enough (at AFL), his skills don't appear exceptional, and although he has courage he doesn't appear to know where/when to go. I think he could make it in a weaker team (as Fraser did), but unless our midfield is really slow and MUST have a speedster (which I don't think it will be), I don't think he'll be good enough for EFC.
Now, I agree he had limited time last year, but I think that also applied to a number of players.
Part of the problem is I compare him against the others. Watson seems to have a hell of a footy brain, and I think is an extractor. Lovett's pace is frightening. Dyson, Stanton and Monfries look like they'll combine good pace, good skills, and footy brains. And I like what little I've seen of Slattery and Nash.
So I just question whether Winda will make it ahead of all of those others.
I think last year he showed a lack of something I value a great deal - football brains. He seemed to position himself wrong again and again. I agree that maybe I was a bit harsh saying he was one-dimensional, I wasn't expressing myself well. He does play a more rounded game. But except for his speed, I'd have said none of the other facets speak out that this kid's going to be an AFL footballer.
I don't think his ball winning is good enough (at AFL), his skills don't appear exceptional, and although he has courage he doesn't appear to know where/when to go. I think he could make it in a weaker team (as Fraser did), but unless our midfield is really slow and MUST have a speedster (which I don't think it will be), I don't think he'll be good enough for EFC.
Now, I agree he had limited time last year, but I think that also applied to a number of players.
Part of the problem is I compare him against the others. Watson seems to have a hell of a footy brain, and I think is an extractor. Lovett's pace is frightening. Dyson, Stanton and Monfries look like they'll combine good pace, good skills, and footy brains. And I like what little I've seen of Slattery and Nash.
So I just question whether Winda will make it ahead of all of those others.
I agree with everything you have said. But I think there is a reason for it.
I think he does have a decent footy brain, not outstanding, but good enough. I've seen a lot of him through the junior system and I agree he has a way to go. I just think he's really lacked in confidence and fitness.
If he gets game time he'll improve out of sight as his confidence rises.
I think he does have a decent footy brain, not outstanding, but good enough. I've seen a lot of him through the junior system and I agree he has a way to go. I just think he's really lacked in confidence and fitness.
If he gets game time he'll improve out of sight as his confidence rises.
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I've never really thought Winders' footy brain to be that bad. Fitness and confidence goes a long way. Hopefully this is his year, because if it isn't, it may be his last (for us anyway)
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I think he will improve out of sight, but not quite to the extent of option 1. I think by seasons end he will be avergaing 15-18 disposals a game.
By all accounts he is training the house down and has all but solved his fitness issues.
I think he has a decent footy brain, and with more game time, should develope into a very good senior player. And to everyone who has said that Slattery, and Nash have shown more at senior level, get your hand off it. They have played 4 and 2 games respectively. Winders has played 21 games, and some pretty good ones last year and shown enough to me to suggest he will a very very good player.
By all accounts he is training the house down and has all but solved his fitness issues.
I think he has a decent footy brain, and with more game time, should develope into a very good senior player. And to everyone who has said that Slattery, and Nash have shown more at senior level, get your hand off it. They have played 4 and 2 games respectively. Winders has played 21 games, and some pretty good ones last year and shown enough to me to suggest he will a very very good player.
I think there is a case for saying Slattery has, in his first game when he stopped a rampant Dal Santo cold, shown that he'll be a player. Winderlich, though I'm one of his biggest supporters perhaps hasn't quite made such an impression at AFL level yet.. he's had some good games yes, but that one of Slattery's was very enlightening.samthemanlonergan said:
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Agree with whirl.
Slattery > Winderlich > Nash.
But that being said, it's more important for us as a side to have Winderlich up and firing than it is Slattery. We don't really have another player like Licha on the list.
Slattery > Winderlich > Nash.
But that being said, it's more important for us as a side to have Winderlich up and firing than it is Slattery. We don't really have another player like Licha on the list.
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Longy413 said:
Slattery is a good honest footballer. Nash and winderlich have talent in bucketloads but both are yet to realise that talent. Its a big call but if Jay can get some intensity in his game then he could be very special.
dunno about Nash. shows glimpses at VFL but not enough for my liking. I guess he has time on his side, but he would want to improve this year or with list sizes he will be gone.
Slattery - can't understand how everyone reckons he is a walk up to our best 22. he is young and needs time to build up. His kicking needs work. But he does seem to have a great attitude on the field so it would be easy to accept if he succeeded in a year or so.
And now Winderdud. Has courage yes, pace - sort of, good receiver yes, in and under hell no. I am really encouraged to hear his tank is bigger becasue if it wasn't he, he would be the first delisted at seasons end.
Last year started to show the glimpses of talent he showed in his first year. Maybe injuries have hurt him, but he doesn;t have a big kick, is over confident in his pace and is run down too often. Perhaps a lack of fitness is the reason for this, but one thing is for sure. He, along with Watson and Reynolds and even Nash, must show something this year or it will be kudos to them.
Note that the amount they show does vary by player, but they all need to prove why they should stay on the list.
50-50 for Winderdud. Hope he proves me wrong but I don't see how he will get ahead of the other quicker players.
Slattery - can't understand how everyone reckons he is a walk up to our best 22. he is young and needs time to build up. His kicking needs work. But he does seem to have a great attitude on the field so it would be easy to accept if he succeeded in a year or so.
And now Winderdud. Has courage yes, pace - sort of, good receiver yes, in and under hell no. I am really encouraged to hear his tank is bigger becasue if it wasn't he, he would be the first delisted at seasons end.
Last year started to show the glimpses of talent he showed in his first year. Maybe injuries have hurt him, but he doesn;t have a big kick, is over confident in his pace and is run down too often. Perhaps a lack of fitness is the reason for this, but one thing is for sure. He, along with Watson and Reynolds and even Nash, must show something this year or it will be kudos to them.
Note that the amount they show does vary by player, but they all need to prove why they should stay on the list.
50-50 for Winderdud. Hope he proves me wrong but I don't see how he will get ahead of the other quicker players.
I think Winderlich will certainly improve, its just a question of whether he can improve as much as we want/need him to. I think he will improve just enough to sneak into our best 22 by seasons end.
The games i've seen Winda he appears to get a bit of the ball early and then fades out. This would support the statement that he will get more ball once he increases endurance and that his footy brain isnt that bad it is only made to look bad in the past because he didnt have the endurance to get in the right positions. I suspect this is why he has been a Sheedy whipping boy, because endurance can be improved and he is forcing Winda to be more motivated. I think also because of his pace and courage there may be conflict in his mind like when should he go and get the hard ball or wait and receive.
Slattery has it all, good pace (not scintillating but good), clean hands and is a good competitor and reader of the play. I think he has the size to make an impact this year as well.
Slattery has it all, good pace (not scintillating but good), clean hands and is a good competitor and reader of the play. I think he has the size to make an impact this year as well.