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WHERE: Rio All-Suite Hotel & Casino in Las Vegas, NV
WHEN: May 27 to July 14, 2015
MAIN: July 5-14 then "November 9" ($10 Million for 1st :rolleyes:)
SCHEDULE: expected to be released in January
STRUCTURES: expected to be released in January
HIGHLIGHTS: Millionaire Maker, Monster Stack, The $565 Colossus w/ re-entry ($5,000,000 prize pool guarantee)
2014 FIELDS: Main (6,683 entries), Millionaire Maker (7,977), Monster Stack (7,863), Little One for ONE DROP (4,496), Seniors (4,425)

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[B]Entries[/B] [B]Day 8[/B] [B]Day 9[/B] [B]1st[/B] [B]2nd[/B] [B]3rd[/B] [B]FT Hands[/B] [B]Final Hand[/B]
2015 Mo 9/11 Tu 10/11 (?) 10.0M
2014 [URL='http://pokerdb.thehendonmob.com/circuit.php?a=e&n=WSOP&s=2014'][U]Results[/U][/URL] 6683 Mo 10/11 Tu 11/11 (3) 10.0M 5.14M 3.80M 328 ThTd v Ah9h
2013 [URL='http://pokerdb.thehendonmob.com/circuit.php?a=e&n=WSOP&s=2013'][U]Results[/U][/URL] 6352 Mo 4/11 Tu 5/11 (2) 8.36M 5.17M 3.72M 261 AhKh v Qd5d
2012 [URL='http://pokerdb.thehendonmob.com/circuit.php?a=e&n=WSOP&s=2012'][U]Results[/U][/URL] 6598 Mo 29/10 Tu 30/10 (3) 8.53M 5.29M 3.80M 399 Kd5d v QsJs
2011 [URL='http://pokerdb.thehendonmob.com/circuit.php?a=e&n=WSOP&s=2011'][U]Results[/U][/URL] 6865 *Mo 7/11 *Tu 8/11 (3) 8.71M 5.43M 4.02M 301 AsKc v Tc7c
2010 [URL='http://pokerdb.thehendonmob.com/circuit.php?a=e&n=WSOP&s=2010'][U]Results[/U][/URL] 7319 *Su 7/11 *Mo 8/11 (2) 8.94M 5.54M 4.13M 262 AsJh v Kd8d
2009 [URL='http://pokerdb.thehendonmob.com/circuit.php?a=e&n=WSOP&s=2009'][U]Results[/U][/URL] 6494 *Sa 7/11 *Mo 9/11 (2) 8.54M 5.18M 3.48M 364 9d9c v QdJd
2008 [URL='http://pokerdb.thehendonmob.com/circuit.php?a=e&n=WSOP&s=2008'][U]Results[/U][/URL] 6844 Su 9/11 Mo 10/11 (2) 9.15M 5.80M 4.51M 274 Ad5s v 4h2h
* actually Days 9 and 10
 
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Yeah, don't like the $10m ME guaranteed 1st prize either.

I also read somewhere that there's going to be an older seniors event for 65+. Oh lord, could you imagine the endless drone of bad-beat stories and "what? is action on me? speak up!" in that one :p
 

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A lot of pros have taken to Twitter to voice their displeasure at the top prize
 

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A lot of pros have taken to Twitter to voice their displeasure at the top prize
Yeah, from a marketing perspective, a $10M first prize is a nice figure to trumpet out to the masses. Thing is, the masses, and the pros, are still buying in if it's $8M, or even less.
 

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WSOP have changed the payouts.

Top 1000 now all get paid and the November Nine will all take home at least a million.

Fantastic changes.
 

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WSOP have changed the payouts.

Top 1000 now all get paid and the November Nine will all take home at least a million.

Fantastic changes.
I hate them

The payjimp for 10th>9th is actually laughable. Its going to be the longest table of 10 in history to the point where it wouldnt shock me to see people folding aces pre.

4.6mill for 2nd is pathetic, its the lowest 2nd place payout since Grey Raymer won a decade ago. How could that ever be a good thing?

Paying out 15%/1k is a little bit meh whatever, but if theyre going to do that need they to go lower than 15k mincash and get more money up top. Paying out 1k people and $1million for all FTs is a disaster as well

The tournament now is just a gimmick, its a theme park of a tournament that has basically disconnected itself from its values of the past 30 years within 12 months.

The tournament has grown to the biggest and best in the world through the idea that its the most traditional/well balanced reliable NLHE MTT there is.
 

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It still has a great playing structure though right?

The 50K players championship is now where the best players play for the prestige of bets player in the world. 10K buy ins just aren't what they used to be either, especially with all the SHR around these days
 
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I hate them

The payjimp for 10th>9th is actually laughable. Its going to be the longest table of 10 in history to the point where it wouldnt shock me to see people folding aces pre.

4.6mill for 2nd is pathetic, its the lowest 2nd place payout since Grey Raymer won a decade ago. How could that ever be a good thing?

Paying out 15%/1k is a little bit meh whatever, but if theyre going to do that need they to go lower than 15k mincash and get more money up top. Paying out 1k people and $1million for all FTs is a disaster as well

The tournament now is just a gimmick, its a theme park of a tournament that has basically disconnected itself from its values of the past 30 years within 12 months.

The tournament has grown to the biggest and best in the world through the idea that its the most traditional/well balanced reliable NLHE MTT there is.
what would you suggest juddy?

after the HUGE numbers in the Monster Stack and Millionaire Maker, the WSOP is definitely trying to reach out to the masses, which can only be a good thing to increase numbers of players.
 

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what would you suggest juddy?

after the HUGE numbers in the Monster Stack and Millionaire Maker, the WSOP is definitely trying to reach out to the masses, which can only be a good thing to increase numbers of players.
I suggest no change, I'm not sure why we are looking for a change

The Main Event has been a raging success for over a decade based off the same set of characteristics. 8mill up top, 10-12~ paid, 20k mincash and massive FT payouts.

Whats wrong with that? Its the way poker tournaments around the world operate.

I dont think this is the tournamament to be experimenting with such drastic changes

Whats the point of increasing numbers if the top 100 finishers are still going to get less money than if there were less players on the older payouts?
 

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I suggest no change, I'm not sure why we are looking for a change

The Main Event has been a raging success for over a decade based off the same set of characteristics. 8mill up top, 10-12~ paid, 20k mincash and massive FT payouts.

Whats wrong with that? Its the way poker tournaments around the world operate.

I dont think this is the tournamament to be experimenting with such drastic changes

Whats the point of increasing numbers if the top 100 finishers are still going to get less money than if there were less players on the older payouts?
Because it's a means of attracting newer players to the poker scene.

The poker boom is over, this is just one of the ways of drawing new people to the game.

The pros all seem to be happy with the changes too, as you'd expect since these changes were led by the likes of Negreanu and Hellmuth.
 

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Because it's a means of attracting newer players to the poker scene.

The poker boom is over, this is just one of the ways of drawing new people to the game.

The pros all seem to be happy with the changes too, as you'd expect since these changes were led by the likes of Negreanu and Hellmuth.
I dont think its going to bring new players to the game, as in players who today arent playing a lick of poker but will start playing because they hear the main event is paying 1k spots instead of 700. They dont even know what the main event is, paying more places isnt even related to them.

The idea is to bring current players who opt not to play the main event to play the main event. Also to bring people back to the main event because the idea is if people YOLO it and mincash, theyre likely to re-invest the mincash in to the main event.

So its not really about bringing new players to the game, its about bringing current players back to the main event. I dont think its going to work as well as they think it will to counter the loss of money up top of the tournament. And aside from that, some of the payouts are terrible and need fixing.
 

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I dont think its going to bring new players to the game, as in players who today arent playing a lick of poker but will start playing because they hear the main event is paying 1k spots instead of 700. They dont even know what the main event is, paying more places isnt even related to them.

The idea is to bring current players who opt not to play the main event to play the main event. Also to bring people back to the main event because the idea is if people YOLO it and mincash, theyre likely to re-invest the mincash in to the main event.

So its not really about bringing new players to the game, its about bringing current players back to the main event. I dont think its going to work as well as they think it will to counter the loss of money up top of the tournament. And aside from that, some of the payouts are terrible and need fixing.
I feel similar to you but feel this will have the opposite effect to what you're suggesting.

Yes, player retention is of course a big selling point but let's be honest, the people who will be looking at the big first place prize will play regardless due to the prestige that this event has so 10 down to 8 million for first won't be too big a dealI believe.

However, those players you refer to who play but haven't played the main event would be much more likely to play now that they can cash finishing in the top 1000, not to mention knowing that if they make a huge run, they will be a millionaire if they make the final table.

Let's be honest, having first prize at $10 million rather than $8 million won't convince those players to play - if they genuinely though they stood a chance of winning, they would be playing it already.

However, if they are just amateurs/semi professionals, then the security of more paid places would be much more of an incentive I believe coupled with the being a November Niner now makes you a millionaire.
 
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I suggest no change, I'm not sure why we are looking for a change

The Main Event has been a raging success for over a decade based off the same set of characteristics. 8mill up top, 10-12~ paid, 20k mincash and massive FT payouts.

Whats wrong with that? Its the way poker tournaments around the world operate.

I dont think this is the tournamament to be experimenting with such drastic changes

Whats the point of increasing numbers if the top 100 finishers are still going to get less money than if there were less players on the older payouts?
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I dont think its going to bring new players to the game, as in players who today arent playing a lick of poker but will start playing because they hear the main event is paying 1k spots instead of 700. They dont even know what the main event is, paying more places isnt even related to them.

The idea is to bring current players who opt not to play the main event to play the main event. Also to bring people back to the main event because the idea is if people YOLO it and mincash, theyre likely to re-invest the mincash in to the main event.

So its not really about bringing new players to the game, its about bringing current players back to the main event. I dont think its going to work as well as they think it will to counter the loss of money up top of the tournament. And aside from that, some of the payouts are terrible and need fixing.
i'm going to have to disagree here.

the main issue for the vast majority of players is cashing. if the min cash is $15,000 then they'll think, i'm good enough here and only need to get another $5,000 to play again next year.

the payout up top don't influence peoples decisions on playing such a huge event. once you get down to the last 100 it's all jackpot territory.
 

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i'm going to have to disagree here.

the main issue for the vast majority of players is cashing. if the min cash is $15,000 then they'll think, i'm good enough here and only need to get another $5,000 to play again next year.

the payout up top don't influence peoples decisions on playing such a huge event. once you get down to the last 100 it's all jackpot territory.
what do you mean? they already have 15k, so they pocket 5k and bring the 10k back

There are two things here, theres the point of bringing people to the game, not to just the Main Event. The idea of 10mill for the poker community is, it will make normal news and people will go "wow theres a lot of money in poker" so they'll head down to their local card room or log on to pokerstars and play online. They'll never play the main event, but for a little while they'll add their paycheck to the poker pool.

Then theres bringing players to the main event.

10mill is good for the top one, bringing people in to poker, which is what we all should be concerned about. Forget the main event, we want people seeing poker on TV and it being attractive to them and $10 mill does do that. It gets peoples attention and makes them play. It doesnt make a regular player already well aware of tournmanet prizepools more keen on playing, if anything it makes them less keen because theyre focusing money from where it should be to where it shouldnt be (same thing theyre doing with 15%)

The second option of 15% payouts brings people to the main event, but overall doesnt really do anything for the poker community. Its going to make more players play the main with the idea that they have a greater chance of cashing, but that money will come and go within a week. It wont do any good of us who dont play the main event.

What it also does it take money away from the people who run deep, who dont get enough for their efforts, which is dissapointing.

But again I'll point out, before last yea, did you think the main event needed a rejig? Did you think it was failing with over 6k entrants with zero US online sattys? Given the climate in the US, the Main Event was booming.

Trying to get an extra 300 participants at the expense of the payouts and top 100 finishers and creating a unique ****** up never used before payout structure on the biggest MTT of the year doesnt make any sense.
 

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I feel similar to you but feel this will have the opposite effect to what you're suggesting.

Yes, player retention is of course a big selling point but let's be honest, the people who will be looking at the big first place prize will play regardless due to the prestige that this event has so 10 down to 8 million for first won't be too big a dealI believe.

However, those players you refer to who play but haven't played the main event would be much more likely to play now that they can cash finishing in the top 1000, not to mention knowing that if they make a huge run, they will be a millionaire if they make the final table.

Let's be honest, having first prize at $10 million rather than $8 million won't convince those players to play - if they genuinely though they stood a chance of winning, they would be playing it already.

However, if they are just amateurs/semi professionals, then the security of more paid places would be much more of an incentive I believe coupled with the being a November Niner now makes you a millionaire.
Im having trouble following because you kind of said the same thing I did but started off by saying you disagree with me

Yes this will be good for player retention (we think anyway, it remains to be seen), but what we are giving up for that player retention is too much imo
 

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Am late to this argument but if you compare poker to the "boom" years its not booming in the USA - if you are in charge of WSOP and see declining entrant numbers its obvious you have to make a change. I agree the changes to the prize structure last year were shit, but changes were always going to happen. If you are the newly appointed CEO of a company a drop in numbers of entrants (which has obviously happened) demands a change.

You can argue about the "climate in the USA" but at the end of the day its really about the numbers, anything else is extraneous - THIS is how its viewed over there corporately.

This is the reason why the prize structure is now being changed yearly - if you are in charge of the WSOP you have to be seen to be making a change because of the lesser number of entrants.

And yes that is bizarre to say when you walk into the Amazon or wherever during the WSOP and see the huge number of people there and hear that defeaning click click of chips, but people who make the decisions are bean-counters, not people who have a wider understanding of the poker environment.

This is not to say those changes to prize structures are good, but they are what they are.
 

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The Colossus is going to smash the records number.

I have to say, that is a very smart decision by WSOP. Get people to come along, have some fun and they might start thinking, I'm good enough to play other events.
 

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Am late to this argument but if you compare poker to the "boom" years its not booming in the USA - if you are in charge of WSOP and see declining entrant numbers its obvious you have to make a change. I agree the changes to the prize structure last year were shit, but changes were always going to happen. If you are the newly appointed CEO of a company a drop in numbers of entrants (which has obviously happened) demands a change.

You can argue about the "climate in the USA" but at the end of the day its really about the numbers, anything else is extraneous - THIS is how its viewed over there corporately.

This is the reason why the prize structure is now being changed yearly - if you are in charge of the WSOP you have to be seen to be making a change because of the lesser number of entrants.

And yes that is bizarre to say when you walk into the Amazon or wherever during the WSOP and see the huge number of people there and hear that defeaning click click of chips, but people who make the decisions are bean-counters, not people who have a wider understanding of the poker environment.

This is not to say those changes to prize structures are good, but they are what they are.
Events like the Colossus and the Millionare Maker and the Mega Stack should be the inniatives of driving up player numbers for the WSOP brand, I dont believe such a drastic change is required in the main event in an effort to get what in reality may be an extra 50-100 players if that

Poker in the USA hasnt really been on a decline since that UEGIA (or however its lettered), it got hit in the stomach hard with that but main event numbers since have been really strong and consistent, right through one of the worst economic periods in US history. So I dont really think the main event needed a kick, and if it did, I dont think ******* with such a major factor of the event was the right way to do it

I just dont think anybody has been upset at the WSOP or its management over the main event and its participation, so I'm not sure why the idea for change was required

theyve done everything really well, except this imo, its way overstepping the mark of whats required to generate participation. If this type of thing were to stay on I really see the main losing its allure as 'the championship event' and having a real tacky label to it
 
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