Would you do this trade?

[jod23]

All i ever hear about out of Freo supporters mouths is how good Pavlich, Haselby and Brown are going to be. Well now im putting that theory to test.

If offered would you trade Brown, Haselby and Pavlich for Cousins Gardiner and Wirrpunda??

Now im sure we all think this is stupid and obvious, at least thats what im hoping for. You Freo fans cant be that stupid can you?

(Obviously all in theory as neither West Coast or I would be stupid enough to do this trade)

 

[sabre_ac]

Not sure wat the reason for this topic is.
But in answer to your question there is no way in hell I would do that deal.

Pavlich,Brown and haselby are worth far more than Gardiner and Wirrapunda.

Pavlich,Brown and Haselby for Gardiner,Cousins,Kerr and Morrison.
I might consider that

 

[jod23]

Well the topic is to outline your problems. You have too much faith in guys that cant deliver.

The offer was Cousins Gardiner and Wirrpunda for Brown Haselby and Pavlich, who in there right mind wouldnt take that offer!!!!!

 

[jod23]

Really your club should just trade Haselby Pavlich and Brown for just Cousins!!!

Thats how bad your team is travelling.

You guys are blinded by faith that these guys will do the job. I say trade all three for better players.

 

[PiesPremiers]

what would you give the pies for tarrant, mckee and leon davis?

would never trade tarrant od davis.. just wondering!

 

[GoEagles]

Trade: Ken Judge for Mick Malthouse?

 

[sabre_ac]

Originally posted by jod23
Really your club should just trade Haselby Pavlich and Brown for just Cousins!!!

Thats how bad your team is travelling.

You guys are blinded by faith that these guys will do the job. I say trade all three for better players.

bull****
Your club isnt doin much better.Many of your stars are on there last legs, and you lack key position players in a big way.

Player stock wise our club is in a far better position than the ealges.So please no advice from our cross town rivals, whose drafting record is the single worst in the league.

Haselby won the norich rising star
Cousins won the norich rising star

Both have allot in comon and in 10 years both would have had awesome careers.
Brown and Haselby for cousins???

You have got to be kidding.

Your blind faith in your aging stars is a joke.
Take Jacko,Macintosh and matera out of your side and your lookin very weak,
Especially key in the key position stakes.
When carroll is your number one defender and wilson your only evenue to attack.

 

[jod23]

Originally posted by sabre_ac


bull****
Your club isnt doin much better.Many of your stars are on there last legs, and you lack key position players in a big way.

Player stock wise our club is in a far better position than the ealges.So please no advice from our cross town rivals, whose drafting record is the single worst in the league.

Haselby won the norich rising star
Cousins won the norich rising star

Both have allot in comon and in 10 years both would have had awesome careers.
Brown and Haselby for cousins???

You have got to be kidding.

Your blind faith in your aging stars is a joke.
Take Jacko,Macintosh and matera out of your side and your lookin very weak,
Especially key in the key position stakes.
When carroll is your number one defender and wilson your only evenue to attack.

Wilson is prolly more reliable for 3 or 4 goals a game than any forward in your squad. Carrol, Glass, Jako, Morrison, Wirrpunda, Collica.

Id say we have a better defence too. We fall down in the midfield and at CHF. Anyways stats dont lie we have 12 points, you have none

Anyway i didnt want to bash Freo i just wanted to see if you had any common sense regarding the trade, obviously you dont.

 

[sabre_ac]

Originally posted by jod23


Wilson is prolly more reliable for 3 or 4 goals a game than any forward in your squad. Carrol, Glass, Jako, Morrison, Wirrpunda, Collica.

Id say we have a better defence too. We fall down in the midfield and at CHF. Anyways stats dont lie we have 12 points, you have none

Anyway i didnt want to bash Freo i just wanted to see if you had any common sense regarding the trade, obviously you dont.

Wirrapunda and Gardiner for Haselby,Pavlich and Brown???

No way in hell, you have got to be kidding.I have sense regarding a trade.Im not giving up 2 key postion players that can play at either end of the ground very well and the best young midfielder in the competition for a ruckman and a back pocket player.Your the one that needs there head examined.


Wilson is about as reliable as Waterhouse, and if waterhouse didnt have such a horror run with injuries this year, he would be a far more valuable player.

 

[jod23]

Read the original POST...USE YOUR EYES!!!

The hypothetical trade is Ben Cousins...Micheal Gardiner...David Wirrpunda for brown pavlich and hasleby!

Would you do that deal if you were head honcho at Freo?? Or are you still blinded by the talents of those three freo players in question.

 

[RacerX]

I would never trade a developing key position player for an injury prone small backman. No way man. Besides we have never got a decent player out of WC in past trades.

 

[kuepper]

Originally posted by jod23
Well the topic is to outline your problems. You have too much faith in guys that cant deliver.

As opposed to you Jod of course, who has clarity and wisdom beyond his years - lets use an example here - If I was to say Michael Braun is injury prone and useless, what would you say?

Part of SUPPORTING a team is supporting your players, but how you can sit here and rag on 3 NINETEEN (in numerals as well for you Jod, 19) year old players, claiming they can't deliver, is well ridiculous at best, and basic stupidity at worst.

How is it any different fro a Freo supporter to believe in a norwich rising star winner, and two players, who are yet to turn 20, but happily hold down key positions admirably, all things being equal?

The offer was Cousins Gardiner and Wirrpunda for Brown Haselby and Pavlich, who in there right mind wouldnt take that offer!!!!!

Well me for a start - lets really analyse what you have offered here you angry young man.

Cousins, for sure - he is in supurb form, but what I ask is, is he liscenced to carry that many passengers? He does a better job than transperth carrying around alot of crabs Jod my boy ...

Now Wirrapunda has beein the comp for 7 years now(thats right, started in 95), and has done exactly what? Played how many games in that time? Had how many goals kicked on him? This is a case of the 'ledgend' clearly exceeding the performance - he is injury prone, defensively soft - but wow he runs quick!

Now Gardnier - Freo has both Longmuir, who has stepped up at TWENTY years for age (for jod, once again in numerals: 20) and when Clem Michael returns we have two very very cabable ruckman - Gardnier is OK - not a world beater, but no where near a crab either - he is solid - and once again has beenin the comp since '96, and only this year has really stepped up to the plate - 6 seasons in doing so!

So lets run though what we have, a champ (cousins), a solid player (gardnier) and an injury prone, average at best player.

Now, all of these players have 6 or so years in the AFL, and only one has ever become anything to rave about.

Now, you wish to trade for 3 players, who in 2 years in the leagure have stepped up, and are only on the improve?

Anyway i didnt want to bash Freo i just wanted to see if you had any common sense regarding the trade, obviously you dont.

Perhaps it realy is us with the common sense - how can you make such sweepeing statements about 19yo's in their second year - or is that a crystal ball up your ass, that makes you walk so funny jod?

Either way, I would start looking at your recruiting and drafting Jod old son, before you come questioning the common sense of our drafting and trading - as Sabre put it in his own style, in the last 5 years in the AFL it is CLEARLY, without a shadow of a doubt, the worst in the league - I challenge you to show me otherwise!

 

[blockerhall]

Jod23,
Go back and look at the trade again.

I would never trade 2 talls for two smalls. Full stop.

My answer is no.

 

[dockerbabe]

jod u r crazy u belong in a looney bin
hasleby, brown and pavlich for gardiner wirrapunda and cousins
out of ur 3 players the only 1 i would consider is cousins
at the moment we have eastaugh and longmuir for the ruck
we don't need another injury prone player koopsy and clive took that role and we don't need another midfielder at the moment we have to many
past trades with use we have gotten 2 players that have barely played a game for us this year
we will get probly twice as long with our 3 players than use will get with your 3 players
ours aint even 20
so there is no way we would trade 3 youngsters only in the comp for 2 years for 3 players that have been in the comp since 95, 96

 

[sabre_ac]

Sorry Jod but im not the only delusional one here.

I think you may have to come back with a better trade.I dont think you have any trade deal good enough for the Pavlich,Brown and Haselby.

You have the weakest list in terms of key position players going around.And none are certainly of the quality Pavlich and Brown, or with the potential.

 

[jod23]

You people are all nuts!!

Cousins is the next big thing, he is an absolute superstar and is ten times better than any player on Freo's list.

Gardiner is better than Eastaugh, Longmuir and Clem Micheal put together, your ruck is shocking and Longmuir should really be more of a forward.

Wirrpunda is a star, he is quick backs himself and has skills unparralelled to anybody ive seen in the league. His only problem is that he is playing in the wrong position. He plays in defence because we are weak back there and when Read returns from the knee recon we will probably push him forward into the midfield or forward line.

You all act as if the three i mentioned are old? Cousins is 22/23, Wirrpunda is 21 and Gardiner is also 22/23? Thats not old!!

Your three will never be as good as these three and you all know it!!! Freo are 0-16 and are on the bottom of the ladder and will probably be the first team in history to go through a season without a win....how sad.

Trade the youngsters for proven players!! You have said this ever since you came into the league "We have the best youngster, you just wait another year or so, we'll be great" That was when you entered and you are now worse than you were when you entered the damn league!

TRADE PEOPLE!!

Anyway that trade would never happen, the Eagles arent stupid!

 

[RacerX]

Well Jod to use your own argument, pick three Essendon players (your choice). Now would you trade Cousins, Wiirpunda and Gardiner for those three Bomber players if you could? If not then why not?

 

[dockerbabe]

Originally posted by jod23
You people are all nuts!!

Cousins is the next big thing, he is an absolute superstar and is ten times better than any player on Freo's list.

Gardiner is better than Eastaugh, Longmuir and Clem Micheal put together, your ruck is shocking and Longmuir should really be more of a forward.

Wirrpunda is a star, he is quick backs himself and has skills unparralelled to anybody ive seen in the league. His only problem is that he is playing in the wrong position. He plays in defence because we are weak back there and when Read returns from the knee recon we will probably push him forward into the midfield or forward line.

You all act as if the three i mentioned are old? Cousins is 22/23, Wirrpunda is 21 and Gardiner is also 22/23? Thats not old!!

Your three will never be as good as these three and you all know it!!! Freo are 0-16 and are on the bottom of the ladder and will probably be the first team in history to go through a season without a win....how sad.

Trade the youngsters for proven players!! You have said this ever since you came into the league "We have the best youngster, you just wait another year or so, we'll be great" That was when you entered and you are now worse than you were when you entered the damn league!

TRADE PEOPLE!!

Anyway that trade would never happen, the Eagles arent stupid!

correction u r the one that is nuts
and another correction freo arnt stupid so there is no way freo would ever trade 3 of their best players for 3 other players that have been in the comp longer
if we are gonna go for proven players we will be trading other players
if clem wasn't injured justin would be playing more up forward
and justin is a good player u r just so biased that u cannot see when another team has good players
i agree ben cousins is a really good player his form this year has been great
hasleby is haveing a worse year than his first but he is still playing good footy

so stop being so one eyed and biased because u r worse than sabre at the moment
(no offense sabre)

and next time think before u type

 

[kuepper]

Originally posted by jod23
You people are all nuts!!

Yes, thats correct, each and every person that doesn't agree with your point of view HAS to be nuts don't they Jod?

Cousins is the next big thing, he is an absolute superstar and is ten times better than any player on Freo's list.

yes, Cousins is in the best form of his career, and yes has been right up there in players in the AFL this year - please don't insult me, and your own intelligence, by making outrageous claims of 'ten times better' as we both know that is sh|te.

Gardiner is better than Eastaugh, Longmuir and Clem Micheal put together, your ruck is shocking and Longmuir should really be more of a forward.

I sat here and tried a more polite way of putting it, but I can't, so I shall lead with my first thought:

'you f*cking idiot, have you even watched a freo game this year?'

Justin Longmuir, after being a #2 selection in 1998, has this year led our ruck division very, very well - for a player of his exerience and age, I couldn't be happier with his progress, sure he is no world beater at this stage, but he has kicked nigh on 20 goals, presented himself, and hasn't been hammered this season at all, that I can remember.

As for Clem Michael, at his best he is in the top 5 ruckmen in the comp - scoff all you want but I have vivid memories of him hammering your beloved gardiner at least twice in western derbies - which sort of refutes your ridiculous claims above, doesn't it?

Eastaughh has been selected as insureance, and ddue to Clem's prolonger absence through injury, he has got a run, done nothing great - but was neever selected to, or expected to.

I will happily sit back for the next 10 years, and enjoy Michael and Longmuir develop into the best ruck combination of the league - and you can keep Gardiner and his antics, we don't want nor need them.

Wirrpunda is a star, he is quick backs himself and has skills unparralelled to anybody ive seen in the league. His only problem is that he is playing in the wrong position.

Ok, so you have a star player (of which I hope you will admit that you have very few of now the old guard have retired/injury prone etc) and you his play him, where he doesnt play well or help the team - clever.

If this bloke is such a champ - why isn't he in the midfiled or forward line - all the quality in those areas keeping him out of a spot?

You all act as if the three i mentioned are old? Cousins is 22/23, Wirrpunda is 21 and Gardiner is also 22/23? Thats not old!!

I dont think anyone said they were - I was showing you the difference between passing judgement on players too early - I have a vivid memory of a rather disappointing second year for one B Cousins after him winning the rising star, and yet today he is the real deal.

However, you start chiming in that a second year Paul Hasleby, who still averages 20 QUALITY disposals a game, despite being tagged each and every outing, is some sort of a letdown?

Lets give the guy another couple of seasons - and then let's have this chat - you can't pass judgement on any footy kid until they have had 3 seasons IMHO - certainly not the gross generalities you tossed up.

Your three will never be as good as these three and you all know it!!!

So Mathew Pavilich, will never be anything in this league? I mean how hard is it, when using your terminolgy, that Wirripunda, who is injury prone, soft, suspect in the air, and for a backman ridiculously loose who gets golas kicked on him albeit with blinding pace and nice ball handling, is a 'star' so under that definition Dan Parker (remeber that crab - thats for you blockerhall ) would have been an out and out champ!

Freo are 0-16 and are on the bottom of the ladder and will probably be the first team in history to go through a season without a win....how sad.

At least if you are going to resort to stooping to kicking us about that, you could at least bother to get your facts straight - many other sides have done it previously - and it's a null and void arguement, given that it won't happen anyway - I mean we play your domineering jagganaut of footballing intensity (may I just add in here, that WCE lead the league in points conceeded, and have kicked the least amount of goals for as well - so people in glass houses Jod my boy, shouldn't be throwing too many stones) , so theres an easy one for us for starters.

Trade the youngsters for proven players!! You have said this ever since you came into the league "We have the best youngster, you just wait another year or so, we'll be great" That was when you entered and you are now worse than you were when you entered the damn league!

Seriously, now you are seriously losing me here - give away our talented youngsters, for who Jod - your deal wasn't worth it - as Blocker said, to keep it simple, 2 talls, for 2 smalls is ridiculous.

We will trade successfully, and get a top line player (think a small forward, that comes from WA, kicks legions of opportunistic goals and originally played with South Freo) and do just fine.

Anyway that trade would never happen, the Eagles arent stupid!

Well Jod, if you are a representitive of your club, I think we could Possibily argue otherwise

 

[daddy_4_eyes]

Please people, calm down. All this will be settled in a few weeks time when the two teams meet.

The derby will settle whether:
1) Gardiner is or isn't better than Longmuir and Clem Michael
2) Eagles are better than freo or not(though we currently are considering we won the last showdown )
3) Wirra is a glorified player(if freo can expose him then he is, please do not take offence to that comment)
4) Cousins is only 10 times better then the whole freo team

In the mean time, kiss and make up. Both teams are in a rut and comparing one's great performances of 2001 to the others is ludicrous.

 

[WA]

I know this was all hypothetical anyway, and most have made some good points. So, I'm not going to enter the debate, which basically is an Eagles v's Freo slanging match! I can't resist one thing though - Freo rating Eastaugh?!? come on......

In 'real life' Freo should do their utmost to keep Haselby and Pavlich, with Brown already signed. I highly rate them and I'm sure many of the Eastern States clubs (possibly WCE too!) would like them. I agree Freo need a couple of proven players, but I think they should be targeting a couple of proven players to complement their young guys.

 

[kuepper]

indeed.

Originally posted by WA
[I can't resist one thing though - Freo rating Eastaugh?!? come on......

Hey I didnt my man, in fact to quote myself I did say:

Eastaughh has been selected as insureance, and ddue to Clem's prolonger absence through injury, he has got a run, done nothing great - but was neever selected to, or expected to.

So dont geet me wrong he has done what we expected - nothing really

In 'real life' Freo should do their utmost to keep Haselby and Pavlich, with Brown already signed. I highly rate them and I'm sure many of the Eastern States clubs (possibly WCE too!) would like them. I agree Freo need a couple of proven players, but I think they should be targeting a couple of proven players to complement their young guys.

Amen to that!

 

[dockerbabe]

Re: indeed.

Originally posted by kuepper


Eastaughh has been selected as insureance, and ddue to Clem's prolonger absence through injury, he has got a run, done nothing great - but was neever selected to, or expected to.

So dont geet me wrong he has done what we expected - nothing really

so if eastaugh has done nothing i spose we can get rid of him then trade him for a proven player
so we get rid of eastaugh who rucks next season when clem is on the bench and justin is up forward
and who can ruck the rest of this season when justin goes up forward
eastaugh has played some pretty good footy this year i don't think i have seen him play one bad game
sure he aint no pavlich brown longmuir but he has still played good footy and that is all that should matter
i am not over rating him i'm just saying that he can play a good game of footy and we are yet to see him play a bad one

 

[ah_19]

firstly on the trade
Cousins, wirrapunda, gardiner for brown, hasleby, pavlich
Gardiner is going to be way better than any of those players, gardiner is > brown or pavlich,
cousins is worth more than all of them
but wirrapunda in my opinion is overated
he was a # 1 draft pick, being a compensation, if we can trade him for that pick, id say go for it, but i doubt freo is that dumb.

Secondly longmuir has stepped up this year, but hes way behind where gardiner was at 20, hes got as much talent, some more agility but i think hes missing some of that stuff between the ears.

Thirdly brown and pavlich are very good players
but, neither of that are that quick, or that agile,
pavlich probobly needs to be taller in this new age of football to be a superstar, he will be a good solid chf, will retire a bit like lynch, good but never a supstar
brown is too slow vs the better forwards, you should put him at CHF, he can be a much better one, and hes not that agile(please watch the tape of him getting sidestepped by that ballerina saverio rocca)

you picked up some blokes that will step up fast, but eventually wont develp into awesome players, like ottens, (good trade that )
The eagles have 2 players that will be better than that, McDougal and Gaspar, both are quick, very agile and can play in more positions than the spine, both can play in the ruck and wtih their agility even in the midfield/wing, the reason they dont perform as well as pavlich and brown is lack of strength, but they can bulk up, while your 2 wont get faster or more agile
while it may take them much longer to develop, when they do, they will be much better than either brown or pavlich
add to that glass, mcarray, buszan, antonavitz, cox

 

[dockerbabe]

Originally posted by ah_19
firstly on the trade
Cousins, wirrapunda, gardiner for brown, hasleby, pavlich
Gardiner is going to be way better than any of those players, gardiner is > brown or pavlich,
cousins is worth more than all of them
but wirrapunda in my opinion is overated
he was a # 1 draft pick, being a compensation, if we can trade him for that pick, id say go for it, but i doubt freo is that dumb.

Secondly longmuir has stepped up this year, but hes way behind where gardiner was at 20, hes got as much talent, some more agility but i think hes missing some of that stuff between the ears.

Thirdly brown and pavlich are very good players
but, neither of that are that quick, or that agile,
pavlich probobly needs to be taller in this new age of football to be a superstar, he will be a good solid chf, will retire a bit like lynch, good but never a supstar
brown is too slow vs the better forwards, you should put him at CHF, he can be a much better one, and hes not that agile(please watch the tape of him getting sidestepped by that ballerina saverio rocca)

you picked up some blokes that will step up fast, but eventually wont develp into awesome players, like ottens, (good trade that )
The eagles have 2 players that will be better than that, McDougal and Gaspar, both are quick, very agile and can play in more positions than the spine, both can play in the ruck and wtih their agility even in the midfield/wing, the reason they dont perform as well as pavlich and brown is lack of strength, but they can bulk up, while your 2 wont get faster or more agile
while it may take them much longer to develop, when they do, they will be much better than either brown or pavlich
add to that glass, mcarray, buszan, antonavitz, cox

pavlich and brown are both great players for their age but they can and will improve as they gain experience
brown may be kinda slow but as u say put him at chf and he can play well at that possy
and what makes u certain that mcdougal and gaspar are both goin to be awsome players we all thought that schell would kick a bag of goals each time he play but he is yet to do so
i will ask u something how ever bron only turned 19 this year if u could choose out of peter bell and leigh brown who would u rather be against?
i would certainly prefer peter bell because i wouldn't come off 2nd best in a sheperd or a fight so wat brown lacks in speed he makes up in toughness and that is goin to be a good thing in the years to come when he gains more experience and possibly gain some more speed