Yarra Valley - Mountain District FL Forum 2

[Cagga]

ive said it before if any other teams are gonna come in changes need to be made. it would probably take a couple of years to sort itself out but would eventually rival mpnfl that has 3 divisions but no promotions.

Mountain District
Upwey, Belgrave, Olinda, Belgrave, Emerald, Gembrook, Monbulk, Silvan (8)

Yarra Valley
Warburton, Yarra Junction, Powelltown, Seville, Wandin, Mt Evelyn, Woori Yallock (7)

Great Divide
Thornton, Alex, Bonnie Doon, Yea, Kinglake, Yarra Glen, Healsville (7)

Yes agree PUP. As I have said before this is a must, but for the greater good of the game in our areas & attracting kids we must bite the bullet and make this hard decision. Players & families would love it.

We must however have at least 8-9 teams per league. Thus it is important to attract Coldstream (YV), Sth belg (MD), Panton Hill (GD), Upper Gully or FTG (MD).
Yes this could be played around with over the years to get an even spread of numbers. 1 bye + Interleague bye per year for teams is acceptable, not more than this.
Has something like this been put forward to prospective clubs on the edge of our league?? Interesting to know. Since being on our committe over several years nothing has come formally from the board for discussion. I think it is now time.

 

[Cagga]

ive said it before if any other teams are gonna come in changes need to be made. it would probably take a couple of years to sort itself out but would eventually rival mpnfl that has 3 divisions but no promotions.

Mountain District
Upwey, Belgrave, Olinda, Belgrave, Emerald, Gembrook, Monbulk, Silvan (8)

Yarra Valley
Warburton, Yarra Junction, Powelltown, Seville, Wandin, Mt Evelyn, Woori Yallock (7)

Great Divide
Thornton, Alex, Bonnie Doon, Yea, Kinglake, Yarra Glen, Healsville (7)

Yes agree PUP. As I have said before this is a must, but for the greater good of the game in our areas & attracting kids we must bite the bullet and make this hard decision. Players & families would love it.

We must however have at least 8-9 teams per league. Thus it is important to attract Coldstream (YV), Sth belg (MD), Panton Hill (GD), Upper Gully or FTG (MD).
Yes this could be played around with over the years to get an even spread of numbers. 1 bye + Interleague bye per year for teams is acceptable, not more than this.
Has something like this been put forward to prospective clubs on the edge of our league?? Interesting to know. Since being on our committe over several years nothing has come formally from the board for discussion. I think it is now time.

 

[sid snot]

Just a keystroke away Sid. I was going mention earlier that having the son of the league's CEO playing at your club and an ex President on the board is starting to pay dividends, but I didn't want to appear petty .

On reflection, I think it's great of the league to share the finals around and I hope everything goes well (you never know, the Shire might even unblock that poor excuse for a public toilet at the back of your rooms. Just imagine if you hosted a grand final; they might even supply toilet paper!)

that would be petty.... interesting to see how the club goes with the final as long as the weather holds it should be ok.....actually think its not a bad spot to play one.....as far as the toilets go well i am working on that for some time down the track.......... hey craffles not to worry there is always next season.. it can turn around pretty quickly

 

[Blue Tongue]

ive said it before if any other teams are gonna come in changes need to be made. it would probably take a couple of years to sort itself out but would eventually rival mpnfl that has 3 divisions but no promotions.

Mountain District
Upwey, Belgrave, Olinda, Belgrave, Emerald, Gembrook, Monbulk, Silvan

Yarra Valley
Warburton, Yarra Junction, Powelltown, Seville, Wandin, Mt Evelyn, Woori Yallock

Great Divide
Thornton, Alex, Bonnie Doon, Yea, Kinglake, Yarra Glen, Healsville

This way would keep all the big rivalry games that bring the big crowds and the draw could be worked so that the longest trips only play each other twice. maybe the valley could entice coldstream in to make 8 and the mountain district could entice sth belgrave back for geographical reasons.

If that sense had of prevailed previously when clubs put it on the table several years ago South Belgrave may not have left. But I don't like your chances on getting them back now - the grounds are too good in EFL & now they have seen that, they ain't coming back. Especially when most of the team they would play in the new league are Shire of Yarra Ranges grounds & we all know they spend sweet nothing on those.

Would have been great playing local derby games most weekends, better for sponsors etc. Shame some of those in charge at the time were so against it

 

[Blue Tongue]

Yes agree PUP. As I have said before this is a must, but for the greater good of the game in our areas & attracting kids we must bite the bullet and make this hard decision. Players & families would love it.

We must however have at least 8-9 teams per league. Thus it is important to attract Coldstream (YV), Sth belg (MD), Panton Hill (GD), Upper Gully or FTG (MD).
Yes this could be played around with over the years to get an even spread of numbers. 1 bye + Interleague bye per year for teams is acceptable, not more than this.
Has something like this been put forward to prospective clubs on the edge of our league?? Interesting to know. Since being on our committe over several years nothing has come formally from the board for discussion. I think it is now time.

Cagga, several years ago this was proposed by a few clubs (1 of which might no longer be in the league) & it was hammered on the head by the Divi 1 clubs who didn't see travel as an issue & by an ex league President who made it fairly clear he wasn't a fan of the concept without a real decent discussion around it. They made more noise about not doing than the other said clubs, so it never occurred which was dissapointing

 

[Ronison]

Belgrave Football Club

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[Derby103]

Would have been great playing local derby games most weekends, better for sponsors etc. Shame some of those in charge at the time were so against it

It does sound like a good idea in theory, but it has its disadvantages:
* some of the mismatches would be monumental. There's a reason Powelltown haven't played Woori Yallock for over 40 years - they aren't a big enough club to compete with that sort of opponent. 50-goal defeats would drive a club out of existence faster than any 70km drive to an away game.
* the great rivalries that have been built up over the years would be lost. Upwey would never again meet Woori Yallock. Healesville would never play Warburton.
* I doubt whether Healesville and Yarra Glen would be too impressed at doing all the long away trips.
Don't forget why we merged the YVFL with the MDFA in the first place.

 

[cakehole]

We must however have at least 8-9 teams per league. Thus it is important to attract Coldstream (YV), Sth belg (MD), Panton Hill (GD), Upper Gully or FTG (MD).

Very small chances of getting any of the efl teams. most efl and especially efl div 4 clubs think they are a lot better than they are. No matter how bad they are travelling! sth belgrave for example...

 

[Phillthy]

Only problem I have with the concept is that it will most likely turn out a flawed utopia.

Enthusiasm for travel and attracting players all comes down to success, if you have that the rest is easy for a club. All clubs have a period of success and a period of struggling. It is when they struggle all these issues come to bear which says more about the spine of the club than the flaws of the league and it's geographical spread.

The other thing we need to keep in mind is we only travel to Alexandra (in my own clubs case) once a year, whereas Alex travel large trips 9 times a year although this will be reduced when they go back to Div 2 in 2010. The furthest trip we have otherwise is Healesville or Warby which are both a tick under 1/2 hour, so hardly a valid excuse for blokes to be baulking at making the trip or requesting petrol money.

There is no easy answer to this dilemma and in my lifetime I doubt there ever will be.

 

[Cagga]

It does sound like a good idea in theory, but it has its disadvantages:
* some of the mismatches would be monumental. There's a reason Powelltown haven't played Woori Yallock for over 40 years - they aren't a big enough club to compete with that sort of opponent. 50-goal defeats would drive a club out of existence faster than any 70km drive to an away game.
* the great rivalries that have been built up over the years would be lost. Upwey would never again meet Woori Yallock. Healesville would never play Warburton.
* I doubt whether Healesville and Yarra Glen would be too impressed at doing all the long away trips.
Don't forget why we merged the YVFL with the MDFA in the first place.

Point 1: As seen in the MPNFL this happens initially but a balance occurs overtime, why? I see many young players from Junction Powelltown Yarra Glen Emerald Belg, Sth Belg (list goes on) being attracted to play for the neighbouring town 1st divi team. Higher better footy they say. Would the kids stay at say Emerald or Sth Belg & play against the Gembrook, Monbulk, Upwey. Would this allow better potential for attracting recruits outside the town. - Yes would be my answer to these.
Inbalance in Scores - Lets take this years 1st Divi. I have lost count the amount of 30-35+goal winning margins by the top 3 have had this year.
Divi 2 doesnt look much different.

Rivalries with neighbouring towns I think would outweight this.
Yarra Glen, Healesville. Not sure about the travel situation here.

 

[Cagga]

We must however have at least 8-9 teams per league. Thus it is important to attract Coldstream (YV), Sth belg (MD), Panton Hill (GD), Upper Gully or FTG (MD).

Very small chances of getting any of the efl teams. most efl and especially efl div 4 clubs think they are a lot better than they are. No matter how bad they are travelling! sth belgrave for example...

Doesnt that answer your own question. eg Sth, FTG, Upper Gully would be playing against Upwey, Monbulk, Silvan who are or who have been strong 1st divi Clubs, Gembrook on the climb. I think our storng 1st Divi clubs would easily comparable to 2nd divi EFL

 

[craffles]

YVMDFL Media Release:

August 12, 2009

Bonnie Doon Football Club – Expression of Interest

The Bonnie Doon Football Club (BDFC) has approached the YVMDFL and expressed an interest to join the YVMDFL in 2010. Representatives from BDFC met with the YVMDFL Board on August 3, 2009. As a consequence of that meeting, BDFC are to submit a proposal to the YVMDFL for distribution to all YVMDFL clubs. BDFC were advised that their case would need to be a compelling one to win the support of current YVMDFL clubs. If there was a positive response from YVMDFL clubs, the process would be formalised and addressed at the YVMDFL AGM. If the response from YVMDFL clubs was not supportive of BDFC endeavours, then that would allow BDFC to seek other avenues in a timely fashion.

Bonnie Doon Football Club currently plays in the Benalla & District Football League which is being dissolved at the completion of the 2009 season.

For Further information, please contact:

Stephen Walter
YVMDFL CEO
59615611
[EMAIL="swalter@yvmdfl.com.au"]swalter@yvmdfl.com.au[/EMAIL]





Last Modified on 12/08/2009 12:00



It would have to be an extremely compelling case for most clubs id assume. Well it's official now and it will be up to the clubs to decide.

 

[Blue Tongue]

YVMDFL Media Release:
August 12, 2009
Bonnie Doon Football Club – Expression of Interest
The Bonnie Doon Football Club (BDFC) has approached the YVMDFL and expressed an interest to join the YVMDFL in 2010. Representatives from BDFC met with the YVMDFL Board on August 3, 2009. As a consequence of that meeting, BDFC are to submit a proposal to the YVMDFL for distribution to all YVMDFL clubs. BDFC were advised that their case would need to be a compelling one to win the support of current YVMDFL clubs. If there was a positive response from YVMDFL clubs, the process would be formalised and addressed at the YVMDFL AGM. If the response from YVMDFL clubs was not supportive of BDFC endeavours, then that would allow BDFC to seek other avenues in a timely fashion.

Bonnie Doon Football Club currently plays in the Benalla & District Football League which is being dissolved at the completion of the 2009 season.

For Further information, please contact:

Stephen Walter
YVMDFL CEO
59615611
[EMAIL="swalter@yvmdfl.com.au"]swalter@yvmdfl.com.au[/EMAIL]

It would have to be an extremely compelling case for most clubs id assume. Well it's official now and it will be up to the clubs to decide.

Gee, clubs like Belgrave would be loving that if they came in too. Got potential road trips for away games to Thornton-Eildon, Yea, Kinglake, Powelltown, Bonnie Doon & probably Alexandra too. Be nice if the league gave them those away games at the start & end of the season so they could get some water sports in while they are there & the weather is better

Guess they should have a flat ground to play on - Thornton & Alexandra seem to. Would that fall into a compelling case? Or maybe the serenity would get them over the line

 

[Graeme Tuplin]

I have been reading all the comments and would like to provide an update of where we area at so people and or clubs do not read too much into rumours and deal with the facts. As some background, in 1999 when I first became president we held a forum at Yarra Junction to get feedback from the clubs as to how they saw the league progressing. It was decided at that meeting the ultimate structure would be 2 divisions of 10 teams with promotion and relegation . At the time we had 7 teams only in div 2 and so builiding up to the required 10 was our aim and focus. Since then we have tried a number of things like entering Worrawa and Boronia Park both of which did not work out. We have been lucky to get Kinglake , Alex, Yea and Thorton but we lost Belg South and so we find ourselves at the the required 10/10. About 2 months ago we received a letter from the VCFL telling us the Benalla competition would cease at the end of this year and we were asked if we would look at taking any of the teams in particular BonnieDoon. We advised the VCFL that we were happy with our present structure. Last week following a call from Bonnie Doon we had a meeting with them as they have been told they are heading towards the Ovens & King league which doesn't suit them and they wanted the chance to fight for what they saw was the best option for them. We made it quite clear that the travel is an issue and we would not put any of our existing clubs at risk by allowing them to enter. We told them that they would need to come back and convince us at which time we would decide which way to go. Its by no means a done deal. We have been very happy with the way 2 divisions have worked and we see little merit in changing the formula, but we are always open to feedback from our clubs.

 

[Cagga]

Hi Graeme,
Thats great for the clarification. Even with the current system of divisions I see already large travel problems which folks have highlighted especially for 2nd divi clubs. Whether we attract other sides or not would it not make sense some geographically division?

I think the promotion relegation in our league is less of an issue compared to the travel. We loved travelling to Alex but not sure how we would go 4 times a year doing that trip.

Thanks Guy

 

[craffles]

Thanks for the feedback Graeme. Be interesting to see which way this situation pans out (not only for Bonnie Doon, but for the other 4 clubs in the BDFL as well) but it's reassuring to know where the league stands.

 

[GG Rides Again]

Thanks for the feedback Graeme. Be interesting to see which way this situation pans out (not only for Bonnie Doon, but for the other 4 clubs in the BDFL as well) but it's reassuring to know where the league stands.

Longwood - KDFL
Gorambat - O&K
Tatong - O&K?
SwanPool - O&K
Boonie Doon - YVMFL or O&K

Report about the Benalla league from VCFL was out 31st July and I think the above at present is correct in regards to preference of where clubs may go.

In regards to Boonie Doon the travel involved in being in the O&K would be similar of not further than into the YVMFL.At least an hour each way every week and over 2 hours to Bright.

I still think 3 comps within the league would work. Base it on location and forget about relegation and promotion.

 

[Totallytrue]

I have been reading all the comments and would like to provide an update of where we area at so people and or clubs do not read too much into rumours and deal with the facts.

Facts!? This is a forum, facts are for the website. The more rumours the better I say.

 

[GG Rides Again]

Longwood - KDFL
Gorambat - O&K
Tatong - O&K?
SwanPool - O&K
Boonie Doon - YVMFL or O&K

Report about the Benalla league from VCFL was out 31st July and I think the above at present is correct in regards to preference of where clubs may go.

In regards to Boonie Doon the travel involved in being in the O&K would be similar of not further than into the YVMFL.At least an hour each way every week and over 2 hours to Bright.

I still think 3 comps within the league would work. Base it on location and forget about relegation and promotion.

An article about Picola League and how they have restructured. Nothing is impossible and looks like the VCFL may have got something right

www.countryfootyscores.com/media-ar...th-adam-mcnicol/2985-jerilderie-revivial.html

 

[TEDFNC]

Gee, clubs like Belgrave would be loving that if they came in too. Got potential road trips for away games to Thornton-Eildon, Yea, Kinglake, Powelltown, Bonnie Doon & probably Alexandra too. Be nice if the league gave them those away games at the start & end of the season so they could get some water sports in while they are there & the weather is better

Guess they should have a flat ground to play on - Thornton & Alexandra seem to. Would that fall into a compelling case? Or maybe the serenity would get them over the line

Yeah the travel will be a huge factor for the southern clubs with Alex all but certain to come back to divvy 2 next year and of course it introduces a bye which would change the draw and at the moment with each side playing each other twice - home and away it is perfect

As for Bonnie Doons ground it used to be on a hill which would have put any YVMDFL ground to shame but there was about 200k worth of works there last summer to fix it and the result is a very good ground.

 

[Moin Khan]

We might get Wonthaggi Power too, with the way things are going down there...

I think Mr Connell is still having nightmares!

 

[Big O]

Bonnie Doon to YVMDFL....................................Tell em their dreamin

 

[muesli]

The YVMDFL is the best fit for Boonie Doon & thats why the have applied to join. However if they did join, it creates a huge problem for the league with the southern div. 2 clubs.
Belgrave & Emerald would seriously have to consider joining South Belgrave in EFL.

Someone told me Belgrave where already considering moving, is this true?

 

[eye_above]

With the Home & Away season all but over a couple of clubs have already signed new coaches for next year. With a big name X Yarra Valley coach to come back and try his luck with a different team. Annoucement should be made early to late next week.

 

[cakehole]

Gee, clubs like Belgrave would be loving that if they came in too. Got potential road trips for away games to Thornton-Eildon, Yea, Kinglake, Powelltown, Bonnie Doon & probably Alexandra too. Be nice if the league gave them those away games at the start & end of the season so they could get some water sports in while they are there & the weather is better

Guess they should have a flat ground to play on - Thornton & Alexandra seem to. Would that fall into a compelling case? Or maybe the serenity would get them over the line

Been a very long time since there has been water around bonnie doon im afraid!! Or are you talking about the green tin variety?!