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Turtleman3

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i have been reading a lot of peoples inputs on how we went on sat night and especially the things people have said about our young players youny players have to get about 40-50 games under their belts to really perform consistent football until then we have to be prepared for errors as they go through the huge learning curve from underage/vfl experiennce to the pressure cooker of the elite level who of us has entered the workforce and then had the expectation put on us of the rest of the employees. even trademen have apprentices. if you are still at school do the year 7 students do year 12 work. no because we are not ready for it. in my workplace we (the older, experienced members are there to help the new members and guide them with experience in what we call our mentoring program. if they make errors we help them and in most cases down the track they blossom.
i look at the young guns at a team like brisbane and alot of their gun players have been playing 6/7 years (jonathan Brown being the exception) as for jordan mcmahon, ihave it on good authority that plough has been working on his attack on the ball fromthe first day he arrived at the club so they had identified that from the start. saturday night was another step in that lesson. as for him and all the other young players they gave me great hope for the future with the way they played. it was our more senior players who are meant to leading them and showing them the way that may have let the team down. also i watched werribee on sunday and i thought gilbee played well as did bowden. he seems to read the play well down back. mcguinness and power did all that could be expected from players in their first year in open age competition. we all need a little patience and hope to see the young players develop with the assistance of the older players.
PS in the debate ondimma i think he goes OK until he goes on to his left foot. why he does theis when he doesn't need to is beyond me. running in to an open goal and going on to his left side and spraying it out on the full is a case in point. i have watched him do this year after year and i wish he would use his right foot unless he absolutely has to use his left
 
Of course we have to expect it to take time but by the same token if we are not critical of them they will think that it is acceptable.Also things like what Mcmahon did can kill his passion to play and confidence so we need to make sure that he trys to respond to this criticism with a good performance.
 

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Turtleman,

I have read your post and agree with most of your views particularly the one re Dimma as it is frustrating to see a player who is otherwise good making the same mistakes.

How was the form of Picken, Rusca and Collins ?

Cheers
 
Originally posted by jim440
Turtleman,

Please report to Chicago1's English class immediately.

I have no friggin' idea of what you are on about.

jim,

I might have a go at making it a bit easier to understand. Hope you don't mind, Turtleman.

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I have been reading the input of many posters on how we went on Saturday night and especially the comments people have offered about our young players. Young players have to get about 40-50 games under their belts to really perform consistent football. Until then we have to be prepared for errors as they go through the huge learning curve from underage/VFL experiennce to the pressure cooker of the elite level.

How many of us have entered the workforce and then had the expectation put on us to achieve our best by the rest of the employees. Even trademen have apprentices. If you are still at school, do the Year 7 students do Year 12 work? No! That is because they are not ready for it. In my workplace we,the older, experienced members, are there to help the new members and guide them with experience in what we call our mentoring program. If they make errors we help them and in most cases, down the track, they blossom.

I look at the young guns at a team like Brisbane and many of their gun players have been playing 6 or 7 years (Jonathan Brown being the exception). As for Jordan McMahon, I have it on good authority that Plough has been working on his attack on the ball from the first day he arrived at the club so they had identified that from the start. Saturday night was another step in that lesson. McMahon and all the other young players gave me great hope for the future with the way they played. It was our more senior players who are meant to leading them and showing them the way that may have let the team down. Also, I watched Werribee on Sunday and I thought Gilbee played well, as did Bowden. He seems to read the play well down back. McGuinness and Power did all that could be expected from players in their first year in open age competition. We all need a little patience and hope to see the young players develop with the assistance of the older players.

P.S. Regarding the debate on Dimma, I think he plays well until he kicks with his left foot. Why he does this when he doesn't need to is beyond me. Running in to an open goal and going on to his left side and spraying it out on the full is a case in point. I have watched him do this year after year and I wish he would use his right foot unless he absolutely has to use his left.

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I think Turtleman's spot on with the mentoring idea. We had the same thing at the last school I taught at in Melbourne. The new teachers, some of whom were first year out, were assigned to an experienced teacher to help them sort out the teething problems which always occurred. I was fortunate enough to have a fantastic mentor when I first taught in Melbourne's Western Suburbs way back in 1975. She was supportive and gave me the confidence I needed to continue in a new career and in a new country. She now works for The Age - no, she's NOT Caro! I would have thought that the Doggies would have had a mentoring program of some sort already. Anyone know?
 
I would like to see Picken play forward somewhere as an alternative to Garlo. I suppose the way we are going, everyone will play in every position by halfway through the season...
 
THANKS CHICAGO

Ta Chicago for rewriting my post. I look forward to meeting you when you return to Melbourne to watch our beloved Doggies. I suppose you wont believe it's happening until you fly out of O'Hare Airport.

I will endeavour to set my writing out a little more clearly for those who find it somewhat challenging.

Rusca, Picken and Collins did OK at Werribee on Sunday without setting the world on fire so I wouldn't think they would be pushing for senior selection just yet, although Rusca is very quick. Cross did a few things but also has work to do.

I really wanted to see Harris play as he is referred to as a smokey of the draft and is 194cm tall but he didn't play, unless he was in the reserves. Maybe he will play this week.

I would like to hear of other people who went to Werribee on Sunday to see what they thought, if they haven't already.
 
Re: THANKS CHICAGO

Originally posted by Turtleman3
Ta Chicago for rewriting my post. I look forward to meeting you when you return to Melbourne to watch our beloved Doggies. I suppose you wont believe it's happening until you fly out of O'Hare Airport.

I will endeavour to set my writing out a little more clearly for those who find it somewhat challenging.

Rusca, Picken and Collins did OK at Werribee on Sunday without setting the world on fire so I wouldn't think they would be pushing for senior selection just yet, although Rusca is very quick. Cross did a few things but also has work to do.

I really wanted to see Harris play as he is referred to as a smokey of the draft and is 194cm tall but he didn't play, unless he was in the reserves. Maybe he will play this week.

I would like to hear of other people who went to Werribee on Sunday to see what they thought, if they haven't already.
Turtleman, as an EX teacher, I give you 10/10 for that post :D
 
Originally posted by Chicago1


jim,

I might have a go at making it a bit easier to understand. Hope you don't mind, Turtleman.

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I have been reading the input of many posters on how we went on Saturday night and especially the comments people have offered about our young players. Young players have to get about 40-50 games under their belts to really perform consistent football. Until then we have to be prepared for errors as they go through the huge learning curve from underage/VFL experiennce to the pressure cooker of the elite level.

How many of us have entered the workforce and then had the expectation put on us to achieve our best by the rest of the employees. Even trademen have apprentices. If you are still at school, do the Year 7 students do Year 12 work? No! That is because they are not ready for it. In my workplace we,the older, experienced members, are there to help the new members and guide them with experience in what we call our mentoring program. If they make errors we help them and in most cases, down the track, they blossom.

I look at the young guns at a team like Brisbane and many of their gun players have been playing 6 or 7 years (Jonathan Brown being the exception). As for Jordan McMahon, I have it on good authority that Plough has been working on his attack on the ball from the first day he arrived at the club so they had identified that from the start. Saturday night was another step in that lesson. McMahon and all the other young players gave me great hope for the future with the way they played. It was our more senior players who are meant to leading them and showing them the way that may have let the team down. Also, I watched Werribee on Sunday and I thought Gilbee played well, as did Bowden. He seems to read the play well down back. McGuinness and Power did all that could be expected from players in their first year in open age competition. We all need a little patience and hope to see the young players develop with the assistance of the older players.

P.S. Regarding the debate on Dimma, I think he plays well until he kicks with his left foot. Why he does this when he doesn't need to is beyond me. Running in to an open goal and going on to his left side and spraying it out on the full is a case in point. I have watched him do this year after year and I wish he would use his right foot unless he absolutely has to use his left.

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I think Turtleman's spot on with the mentoring idea. We had the same thing at the last school I taught at in Melbourne. The new teachers, some of whom were first year out, were assigned to an experienced teacher to help them sort out the teething problems which always occurred. I was fortunate enough to have a fantastic mentor when I first taught in Melbourne's Western Suburbs way back in 1975. She was supportive and gave me the confidence I needed to continue in a new career and in a new country. She now works for The Age - no, she's NOT Caro! I would have thought that the Doggies would have had a mentoring program of some sort already. Anyone know?

Actually a pretty decent post, Turtleman.

Footy supporters typically aren't big on patience.

Thanks, Chicago.
 
Re: THANKS CHICAGO

Originally posted by Turtleman3
Ta Chicago for rewriting my post. I look forward to meeting you when you return to Melbourne to watch our beloved Doggies. I suppose you wont believe it's happening until you fly out of O'Hare Airport.

That's quite OK. Looking forward to meeting you and all the Doggie supporters. Hope y'all aren't too disappointed - remember I'm turning 50 this year, am overweight and am a teacher! Hope you're not expecting Captain America! ;) Glad we have been able to appreciate your post for its ideas, rather than get hung up on grammar, etc.

I wish I were leaving tomorrow. I've had a hard time sleeping the past few nights. Every time I've been about to go to sign off from BF in the early hours of the morning, something interesting is posted or a PM pops up which I HAVE to answer immediately! Maybe I should go back into my self imposed silence until I arrive in Melbourne! I'd do that, but the Doggie supporters I'm going to meet on May 12 wouldn't be able to get a word in edgewise!

And BTW I'm leaving from Chicago's second airport, Midway, to fly to LA. It's easier to get to from where I live and O'Hare is sheer madness! O'Hare would make the novice air traveller put off flying forever! Luckily the cheap airline that I normally take, ATA, flies out of Midway. My return to LAX was only $195. They had a great deal in January to Orlando for $129 return so my nephew and I took advantage of it to get our winter dose of roller coasters ( my new and SECOND addiction). Hmmm..... I guess I'll have to be satisfied with the trip to Geelong and Baytec (Isn't that the latest name?) Stadium on May 25 to feed my addiction for speed and bumps..... well at least the bumps part will be satisfied.... I just remembered what the Princes Highway to Geelong is like..... speed?..... yeah..... sure!
 

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