Toast Minus 620 and counting

[moginie]

Ok folks, time for this year’s countdown.

Though it is not as auspicious as the result last year, here, I would like to get another statistic into the positive.

As us Hawthorn tragics know, our history from 1925 – 1968 is littered with plenty of defeats & few victories. The for & against total blew out to -14 071 by round 8 1968.

While our finals record is excellent (47 wins, 28 losses. 1044 goals 1035 behinds, total 7299 For; 955 goals 916 behinds, total 6646 Against) our home & away record, due to our struggles up until the late 60s, suffers by comparison.

Our Home & Away stats as of now are:
22 907 goals 22 441 behinds 159 883 points total For
22 863 goals 23 325 behinds 160 503 points total Against

Last season we outscored the opposition in Home & Away matches by 664 points. Another year like that & we are in the positive.

Let’s make season 2014 like the great season of 1989. And if we can have a bit of fun along the way with stuff like this, all the better.

Go Hawks.

 

[stemline]

By my reckoning Hawthorn has topped 100 points in a game 642 times, to our opposition's 655. We've never been in front (at the start of 80s we were about 150 behind). Last year we did it 14 times more than our opposition. Repeat that and we're in front.

 

[moginie]

If we beat Brisbane by 84 points or more we are ahead of them (head to head) on both games won & percentage.

Just saying.

 

[stemline]

If we beat Brisbane by 84 points or more we are ahead of them (head to head) on both games won & percentage.

Just saying.

Ah, you must be counting the Lions as separate from the Bears. Must say I never bothered, and have us well ahead of them already!

 

[moginie]

Ah, you must be counting the Lions as separate from the Bears. Must say I never bothered, and have us well ahead of them already!

The stats.rleague.com website does.

Stats in the Footy Record don't, as they include Brisbane as just one entity.

I'll take a +84 win against Brisbane though.

 

[Hawkas1988]

Great thread, was fun last year and good to see little historic things occurring. What a turnaround from where we were over 50 years ago. We are lucky supporters these days!

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[moginie]

Minus 572 and counting

 

[seysearles]

We are also on an 8 game winning streak. Last year Geelong stopped us from breaking our record of 13 straight which we ended up only equalling.

In order to extend the current 8 game winning streak out to that record we are going to have to overcome Essendon, Freo, Gold Coast, Geelong, Richmond and Stkilda.

Should be interesting.

 

[Thaihawk]

Love these threads moginie. Would talk about the good old days, but that with our club would be misleading, unless of course we're referring to the 70's & 80's. I remember the old football record, when it was 3d (price that is not dimension) or for the younger ones threepence. They always had the win/loss ratio, which I believe were put there just to break the hearts of us Hawk supporters. Saw most of those losses, which makes the current period so much more enjoyable.

 

[Hodge2NormSmith]

This really illustrates how bad we were in our infancy, considering the success of the last 50 years.

 

[MightyHawks]

We have now won more games than we've lost against the Brisbane Lions... would have to be the first time this century that's been the case!

 

[moginie]

We have now won more games than we've lost against the Brisbane Lions... would have to be the first time this century that's been the case!

Well, at the turn of the century we were 5-2 up.

 

[MightyHawks]

Well, at the turn of the century we were 5-2 up.

Guessing it didn't take too long to be 5-6 down?

 

[moginie]

Guessing it didn't take too long to be 5-6 down?

Yes, we lost the next 6 straight before Clarko's first ever win as a coach in 2005.

Doesn't time fly?

 

[Holy Rioli]

We are also on an 8 game winning streak. Last year Geelong stopped us from breaking our record of 13 straight which we ended up only equalling.

In order to extend the current 8 game winning streak out to that record we are going to have to overcome Essendon, Freo, Gold Coast, Geelong, Richmond and Stkilda.

Should be interesting.

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Every time that we have won 9 games in a row we have won the premiership in that year - including occasions when the streak has extended over 2 seasons (88-89 being the example). So by my reckoning if we beat Essendon next week we are a lock for this years flag.

 

[spudmaster]

Another interesting stat:
If we win next week, we go 2-0 and have 8 premiership points.

True story

 

[moginie]

Another interesting stat:
If we win next week, we go 2-0 and have 8 premiership points.

True story

And that will be 4 more than we had at the same stage last year.

 

[stemline]

Grant Birchall and Liam Shiels' last 17 games have been wins. They join Tony Hall, John Kennedy Jnr, Chris Langford and Kel Moore in 2nd place all time for Hawthorn, behind Dermott Brereton who played 24 games in a row without a loss.

Isaac Smith is currently undefeated in 11 games at York Park. As it stands this is the best undefeated total in the books for Hawthorn at any ground. Next best is 9, also current runs, shared by Burgoyne and Breust who are undefeated in 9 games at Docklands. These guys may spoils their runs with losses in the future but Max Bailey retired with 8-0 locked in at York Park.

 

[Ram-Man]

Ok -- following on from points for v points against are wins v losses.

First post refers to prior to the last thirty years , and pre our last 7 Premierships

Prior to the 1983 Season
W/D/L
DIFFERENTIAL

Carlton 26 wins / 81 losses
-55
Collingwood 26 wins / 79 losses
-53
Essendon 33 wins / 68 losses
-35
Fitzroy 44 wins / 1 draw / 47 losses
-3
Footscray 49 wins / 55 losses
-6
Geelong 36 wins / 1 draw / 59 losses
-23
Melbourne 45 wins / 58 losses
-13
North Melbourne 61 wins / 1 draw / 50 losses
11
Richmond 37 wins / 66 losses
-29
Sydney 51 wins / 2 draws / 47 losses
4
St. Kilda 47 wins / 1 draw / 55 losses
-8

A Total of 455 wins / 6 draws / 665 losses
-210

 

[Ram-Man]

All Games
W/D/L
DIFFERENTIAL

Greater Western Sydney 2 wins / 0 losses
2
Gold Coast 4 wins / 0 losses
4
Brisbane Bears 13 wins / 3 losses
10
Fremantle 21 wins / 7 losses
14
Sydney 86 wins / 2 draws / 67 losses
19
North Melbourne 92 wins / 2 draws / 74 losses
18
Fitzroy 63 wins / 1 draw / 52 losses
11
Melbourne 82 wins / 74 losses
8
St Kilda 77 wins / 2 draws / 71 losses
6
Brisbane Lions 14 wins / 13 losses
1
Western Bulldogs 78 wins / 2 draws / 75 losses
3
Adelaide 16 wins / 18 losses
-2
Geelong 68 wins / 1 draw / 84 losses
-16
Port Adelaide 12 wins / 15 losses
-3
Richmond 67 wins / 84 losses
-17
West Coast 18 wins / 24 losses
-6
Collingwood 61 wins / 96 losses
-35
Essendon 60 wins / 95 losses
-35
Carlton 58 wins / 102 losses
-54

Total 892 wins / 10 draws / 954 losses
-62

 

[Ram-Man]

So in the last 30 years we have significantly improved the overall win loss record.

So against the original 12 clubs ... we have a superior win loss record over them all except one.

Carlton +11
Collingwood +18
Essendon 0
Fitzroy +14
Footscray +9
Geelong +7
Melbourne +21
North Melbourne +7
Richmond +12
Sydney +15
St. Kilda +14

... if we win Friday night we have them all.

GO HAWKS !!

 

[Goodo73]

Collingwood +18

I found that somewhat surprising. Only behind Melbourne in terms of being our bunnies.

 

[Despair]

16,688 - not even mad.

 

[Carcass]

16,688 - not even mad.

Is that how many injections - we should be able to see the tracks from the stands.

 

[walhawk]

62 more losses than wins is the big one for me.
Hope we can get in front by the end of 2024 which is our 100th year in the comp.