Lenny Hayes vs Western Bulldogs, Round 20 @ Etihad Stadium

[Lex22]

Obviously have no clue what you are talking about. Bullies and many other teams would kill to have Stanley. As proven last trade window with Port a top 6 team keen to get him. But hey you have Liam Jones so everything will be alright!

Great reasoning and reply there. It reeked of maturity.

What's your fascination with him?

I've never mentioned Jones, but thank you for bringing that up.

Jones's ceiling is a heck of a lot higher than Stanley's. I'm not sure if Jones will be the long term answer, but I'd rather have him than Stanley on our list.

 

[Curunir]

Great reasoning and reply there. It reeked of maturity.

What's your fascination with him?

I've never mentioned Jones, but thank you for bringing that up.

Jones's ceiling is a heck of a lot higher than Stanley's. I'm not sure if Jones will be the long term answer, but I'd rather have him than Stanley on our list.

Port are seeking a player of Stanley or Jones type, so why'd they go after Stanley? Because he has more potential and will be a good player. Stanley has Bruce and Riewoldt in the same forward where Jones is in a forward line that doesn't have a player of Riewoldt quality in it so of course there will be games where he doesn't get much of a chance.

 

[Lex22]

Hickey Webster and Wright are all best 22 and very important parts of our team.

Debatable but I'm not going to completely refute it. Not sure I'd be classifying there omissions as a big reason as to why you have lost.

 

[Periphery]

3 of them guys would be best 22: Geary, Dunstan, Sipposs. Not one of them is a gun yet. Not sure how having them out had much bearing on the game.

The fact that you think Sipposs is in our best 22 but not Hickey, Webster, Templeton and Wright shows just how little you know about our list.

 

[cammo78]

Port are seeking a player of Stanley or Jones type, so why'd they go after Stanley? Because he has more potential and will be a good player. Stanley has Bruce and Riewoldt in the same forward where Jones is in a forward line that doesn't have a player of Riewoldt quality in it so of course there will be games where he doesn't get much of a chance.

Surely those factors mean Stanley is getting the opposition's third-best defender. And still manages to achieve two-fifths of * all.

Thanks for the offer, but in this instance we'll respectfully decline.

 

[Lex22]

Port are seeking a player of Stanley or Jones type, so why'd they go after Stanley? Because he has more potential and will be a good player. Stanley has Bruce and Riewoldt in the same forward where Jones is in a forward line that doesn't have a player of Riewoldt quality in it so of course there will be games where he doesn't get much of a chance.

What's your reasoning here? Your theory is completely flawed, shouldn't Stanley be playing better with Riewoldt around him because he'd be getting a shitter opponent? And with this other "superstar" in Bruce, shouldn't Stanley be getting the 3rd/4th defender every week? (Probably the 4th as Riewoldt is usually double-teamed)

Jones and Stanley are the same age. Stanley has played 39 games for 22 goals. Jones has played 64 games for 68 goals. Whilst neither stat is excellent, the fact that Jones would have consistently got better opponents than Stanley, I'd say Jones is comfortably ahead.

 

[Lex22]

The fact that you think Sipposs is in our best 22 but not Hickey, Webster, Templeton and Wright shows just how little you know about our list.

So a fully fit Sipposs shouldn't be in your best 22?

 

[Adam H]

Debatable but I'm not going to completely refute it. Not sure I'd be classifying there omissions as a big reason as to why you have lost.

That's 6 out plus a underdone Steven and Gilbert. Massive reason why we are struggling this season our injury list is disgusting.

 

[Periphery]

So a fully fit Sipposs shouldn't be in your best 22?

His form this year when fit would indicate no.

 

[Butane]

For a team that is claiming to have a lot of players out they still fielded an older and more experienced team both on mean and median levels. They should really have been more competitive than a 4 goal loss. Especially considering the Bulldogs generated 32 shots on goal to St Kilda's 24.

Games Experience:
Average:
StKilda: 109.9
Bulldogs: 96.4

Median:
St Kilda: 78
Bulldogs: 69

Player Age
Average:
StKilda: 25.3
Bulldogs: 24.4

Median:
St Kilda: 24.5
Bulldogs: 23.5

 

[Adam H]

Surely those factors mean Stanley is getting the opposition's third-best defender. And still manages to achieve two-fifths of **** all.

Thanks for the offer, but in this instance we'll respectfully decline.

Stanley took AA McPharlin AA Johnson to the cleaners and has only just passed 50 games.

 

[Adam H]

For a team that is claiming to have a lot of players out they still fielded an older and more experienced team both on mean and median levels. They should really have been more competitive than a 4 goal loss. Especially considering the Bulldogs generated 32 shots on goal to St Kilda's 24.

Games Experience:
Average:
StKilda: 109.9
Bulldogs: 96.4

Median:
St Kilda: 78
Bulldogs: 69

Player Age
Average:
StKilda: 25.3
Bulldogs: 24.4

Median:
St Kilda: 24.5
Bulldogs: 23.5

Clearly with our injuries our average is flawed. Dunstan Templeton Wright and Webster replace Sneider Gwilt Hayes.

 

[Butane]

Clearly with our injuries our average is flawed. Dunstan Templeton Wright and Webster replace Sneider Gwilt Hayes.

Let's be honest here. If Hayes Gwilt and Schneider were all injured you'd list them as 'players missing' to suit your argument. Fact is, StKilda were an older, more experienced team in both averages and medians over the board.

Funnier to considering Gwilt played a good game and dropping Hayes on Lenny Hayes day is is laughable. Suggesting you'd have played better with them out and Schneider who played his role well is pushing the bounds of reality.

 

[Adam H]

Let's be honest here. If Hayes Gwilt and Schneider were all injured you'd list them as 'players missing' to suit your argument. Fact is, StKilda were an older, more experienced team in both averages and medians over the board.

Funnier to considering Gwilt played a good game and dropping Hayes on Lenny Hayes day is is laughable. Suggesting you'd have played better with them out and Schneider who played his role well is pushing the bounds of reality.

The point is our injuries this season has affected our selections and rotation of players. The WB have a injury list of three and have suffered very few long term injuries this season.

 

[maddog37]

Excuses blah blah blah, excuses.



That's all I hear from that post.

 

[Adam H]

Excuses blah blah blah, excuses.



That's all I hear from that post.

No excuses just surprised we got as close with the respective injury lists of both clubs .

 

[Cuzzle]

Far out its embarrassing seeing some of our supporters making excuses for a loss, fact is we're not a great team at the moment.

Was at the game and i was fuming with the umpiring our way in the first quarter especially a few of Minson's and that woeful 50 but after that we got our fair share of luck and while Gwilt was unlucky with that missed free in the last it didnt cost us the win.

Instead of blaming umpires/injuries all the time how about the more likely reasons? Letting Stringer do as he pleased in the first quarter was what cost us, take that out and the game was relatively even.

You'd think we should be undefeated for the last decade if we werent bent over by umpires every week the way a couple of our supporters carry on

 

[aussierulesrules]

As has been noted, their run and carry killed us at times, but we pretty much cost ourselves any chance of winning the game with what looked to be our incredibly undisciplined first quarter and a bit.

How many times did the ball not get bounced in the centre after a goal because we had given away a free kick between the goal being kicked and the upcoming bounce? I reckon it must have been at least 3 and possibly 4 times in the first quarter and bit where that happened and they just got to kick it into their forward 50 from a free kick, instead of their being a centre bounce and from memory they scored goals pretty much immediately from at least a couple of those instances and then of course we gave away at least two 50m penalties which also resulted in goals.

It's hard enough to win games of footy when you're the bottom team, but when you're gifting the other team goal after goal on a platter because of your undisiplined/unnessary/clumsy acts it just makes it incredibly difficult, especially when it's happening in the first quarter and it plays a big part in the other team scoring 46 points for the quarter (60% of what WB had previously been scoring for whole games, on average) and getting off to a massive, confidence boosting flier. That was by far the most disappointing aspect of the day for me.

 

[threenewpadlocks]

For a team that is claiming to have a lot of players out they still fielded an older and more experienced team both on mean and median levels. They should really have been more competitive than a 4 goal loss. Especially considering the Bulldogs generated 32 shots on goal to St Kilda's 24.

Games Experience:
Average:
StKilda: 109.9
Bulldogs: 96.4

Median:
St Kilda: 78
Bulldogs: 69

Player Age
Average:
StKilda: 25.3
Bulldogs: 24.4

Median:
St Kilda: 24.5
Bulldogs: 23.5

This needs to be shown again
Just like our five goal win against Gold Coast, where the median games was something like 40 to 60 GC's experience way or something.
Dogs still have a very, very young team. Just because we have quite a few 150+ gamers, and a few players like Libba who have been around for a while and have played his 60+ games, doesn't mean we aren't a young team. We still hardly have a player on our list let alone our team who is around that "peak" of 100-150 games.

 

[Adam H]

This needs to be shown again
Just like our five goal win against Gold Coast, where the median games was something like 40 to 60 GC's experience way or something.
Dogs still have a very, very young team. Just because we have quite a few 150+ gamers, and a few players like Libba who have been around for a while and have played his 60+ games, doesn't mean we aren't a young team. We still hardly have a player on our list let alone our team who is around that "peak" of 100-150 games.

The Dogs have had an amazing injury run this season which helps to maintain performance levels over a season.

 

[threenewpadlocks]

The Dogs have had an amazing injury run this season which helps to maintain performance levels over a season.

When our two All-Australian players from 2013 have been injured or carrying injuries for all of this year, I hardly think you can say we've had a dream injury run.
Clay Smith's played one game for the year. He's in our best 15 players.
Jarrad Grant has been injured for the majority of the year. He's one of our most dangerous forwards.
Jordan Roughead has been injured and carrying injuries for most of the year. He's our most important structural defender.
Yes I'm not going to disagree that we've have a better-than-league-average injury run this year, but it's hardly been an "amazing" injury run.

 

[Adam H]

When our two All-Australian players from 2013 have been injured or carrying injuries for all of this year, I hardly think you can say we've had a dream injury run.
Clay Smith's played one game for the year. He's in our best 15 players.
Jarrad Grant has been injured for the majority of the year. He's one of our most dangerous forwards.
Jordan Roughead has been injured and carrying injuries for most of the year. He's our most important structural defender.
Yes I'm not going to disagree that we've have a better-than-league-average injury run this year, but it's hardly been an "amazing" injury run.

Three players are on the injury list and it's Round 21 that's amazing.

 

[TheHoneyBadger]

The injury list fluctuates in size throughout the year. Ridiculous to focus on it at a single point in time.

Have missed Grant, Wallis, Bontempelli, Boyd, Dahlhaus, Wood, Williams, Smith, Griffen, Cooney, Roughead, Hrovat, Dickson and Morris at varying times this year.

Griffen's back injury considerably hampered us in the first half of the year, Wallis going off lost us the match against Essendon, losing Morris and Roughead cost us games against Carlton and Adelaide, and the absence of Smith and Boyd at times has affected the inside game that we pride ourselves on.

We've had far from a dream run, all things considered.

 

[Adam H]

The injury list fluctuates in size throughout the year. Ridiculous to focus on it at a single point in time.

Have missed Grant, Wallis, Bontempelli, Boyd, Dahlhaus, Wood, Williams, Smith, Griffen, Cooney, Roughead, Hrovat, Dickson and Morris at varying times this year.

Griffen's back injury considerably hampered us in the first half of the year, Wallis going off lost us the match against Essendon, losing Morris and Roughead cost us games against Carlton and Adelaide, and the absence of Smith and Boyd at times has considerably affected the inside game that we pride ourselves on.

We've had far from a dream run, all things considered.

All teams would claim similar to the above. From Round 16 StKilda had 7 players out for the season and added Dunstan to that last week . That's nearly 25% of the list. Given Gilbert Fisher Hickey Wright Sipposs Geary Templeton Markworth Steven have missed nearly 75% of the season makes it extremely hard to keep the list refreshed.

 

[StringyDog]

Massive reason why we are struggling this season our injury list is disgusting.

Struggling, you are exactly where everyone with half a brain expected you to be, wooden spooners as you will be next year too, and it is not due to injuries, your list is terrible, nearly half your team on weekend was over or approaching 30, it is only going to get worse