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Oh.. and the reason he's appealing is to open up a tort IMO.
A tort shop? Not sure I'd feel safe eating them to be honest.
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Oh.. and the reason he's appealing is to open up a tort IMO.
firstly, don't think a provisional suspension has any bearing on training. Secondly, the AFL can override that.Will be interesting the impact this has on Essendon's pre-season once players are placed on the ROF and get issued with INs. My understanding is from that point on they are provisionally suspensed and therefore unable to train as a team. Hirdy may as well head overseas for a few weeks longer if thats the case although I guess he has his own local legal matters to attend to.
Oh.. and the reason he's appealing is to open up a tort IMO.
I think we can have wink wink deals with the players now to play for unders allowing some good FA raids with the guarantee that we'll settle out of court with minimal legal costs to players and confidentiality kept. Could give them a cool mil each. Hopefully the club has looked into this.
firstly, don't think a provisional suspension has any bearing on training. Secondly, the AFL can override that.
I think the AFLPA has forgotten they are supposed to represent the "player's" not just the "Essendon player's" interest and they've been a spectacular failure even at that. Where is the outrage at the situation that Essendon has created? Or the health effects on the players? Or the effects on opposing players?
Not a word for those who caused the problem but continual sniping at the only organisation trying to do something about it. Very poor effort.
Their huffing and puffing would be better directed at Dank et al to explain what was done to the players they are paid to represent.
Will be interesting the impact this has on Essendon's pre-season once players are placed on the ROF and get issued with INs. My understanding is from that point on they are provisionally suspensed and therefore unable to train as a team. Hirdy may as well head overseas for a few weeks longer if thats the case although I guess he has his own local legal matters to attend to.
Cooney can swap war stories with Goddard....Will be interesting the impact this has on Essendon's pre-season once players are placed on the ROF and get issued with INs. My understanding is from that point on they are provisionally suspensed and therefore unable to train as a team. Hirdy may as well head overseas for a few weeks longer if thats the case although I guess he has his own local legal matters to attend to.
Didn't understand what the case was all about? If I want minimal proof to take up 350 pages dot points help. So here is my reply.
- Club wanted the whole thing put off till after the season. Check
- There were rumour that provisional suspensions would stand while players took cases to tribunal. So that was motivation to attack investigation.
- There was no evidence attached to SCNs and club was confident no one had doped by their own investigation and interim report. So there were a little worried that there was some new evidence of doping that they were unaware of. Part of the early orders contained discovery orders. Club saw there was nothing new, which is why they never appealed.
- They were upset at the process of having what should have been confidential interviews with coaches and players consistently leaked to the press ... and the deliberate selective quoting in both that leaking and the interim report. The club successfully brought that to light.
- The club was told by ASADA early on that there was nothing wrong with AOD, yet they let players reputations be publicly besmirched by hanging them out to dry with that.
- There were deals and promises made between the AFL and ASADA early on which then encouraged our then president to get involved and look for a manufactured investigation and outcome.
I think it was a success. Hird is continuing on because a successful appeal means he'll be suing everyone. Gil, Vlad, Finnis, Caro ...
An alternative view is that the statement's remarks, regarding the non-player caused delays, provide a rational and justifiable basis for the call for unusual urgent action and an end to such delays. The call for fast track action, rather than usual process, needs to be justified and the past delays (even WADA was not given reasons for all the NRL delays) and the damage to the players resulting from those delays provide the appropriate justification for exceptional action. ASADA will need a good excuse to deny the request for speed.To all the Essendon supporters high 5-ing each other like this is some sign that players think the evidence won't see them go down, why do you think the AFLPA statement expends so much energy explaining that delays should not be attributable to the players?
My first impression on it was that they're really trying to distance the players from the delays to make a case for backdating to the issuing of the original SCNs.
I'm going on what people at the club have said, what the interim report said (when you look at any actual evidence) and what public interviews with Dank, Alavi, Robinson and Charters give you.
It's been a very badly kept secret for days now that the SCNs hold nothing new from the interim report. Other than Alavi confirming that a batch of what he thought was TB4 was picked up by Dank and that Dank later told him they were damaged by the sun.
Strong case there.
Cooney can swap war stories with Goddard....
Sorry if this has been posted already but this thread joins the great pantheon of 'over soon' HTB threads.
Enjoy.
From 15th May 2013
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/over-soon.1006180/
28th June 2013
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/over-soon.1015631/
Cooney can swap war stories with Goddard....
Deserves follow up, but I'll take it offline from this thread.Some fair points here.
Do we really think though that if Hird stepped down the media would have pulled back? This saga was always front page no matter who the media wanted to blame. I think Hird made a poor choice in getting spin doctors, but the whole Robbo thing was just a retaliation to the AFL/Wilson daily segments, and let's not act blind and say it wasn't happening.
We are all pissed this has taken so long, but Hird being suspended and saying nothing for 12 months had no bearing on that whatsoever so is a bit unfair to lay blame there. Most Essendon people are happy with what happened in court, it aired dirty laundry and filled in some questions and even though we were always unlikely to win, we came away a bit happier than we were before. i was upset Hird chose to appeal but that is his choice, as we have seen it hasn't held up anything so we can't complain there.
After the board backed down on their decision to sack him, it left us with no other choice but to see it through. We made the decision, and be it the correct call or not Hird must now stay coach, unless of course, players cop suspensions.
Finally, I'm not sure what Hird having cosmetic surgery has anything to do with him as a person, but if people want to judge over something that has absolutely nothing to do with the saga then that is for them to decide, which really, sums them up as a person. He did after all have his face caved in and that can leave mental scars he feels he needs to fix. Or he just enjoys the feel of face lifts. Who gives a s**t.
When does Chip have his barbies? I have them every fortnight.You think, Chip reckons next year!!!!!!!!!!
Well yeah, if the players believed they were getting a banned substance then it can be shown they were willing to cheat.
As far as I know, no players have believed they were getting a banned substance.
http://asada.gov.au/media/organised_crime_and_drugs_in_sport.htmlSTATEMENT FROM AFL PLAYERS' CEO PAUL MARSH
http://www.aflplayers.com.au/article/statement-from-afl-players-ceo-paul-marsh-2/
To hell with Andruska, McDevitt goes whooshka!!
‘I only wish that such interest in player welfare had been present in 2012,’ Mr McDevitt said.
ASADA reminded the players’ lawyer that the ADRVP is a separate and independent body to ASADA and the CEO has no legal power to direct the function of the ADRVP or to dictate the timing of its consideration of cases.
Haha, McDevitt not wasting any time putting the AFLPA back in its box.
You've read this, I presume?...An alternative view is that the statement's remarks, regarding the non-player caused delays, provide a rational and justifiable basis for the call for unusual urgent action and an end to such delays. The call for fast track action, rather than usual process, needs to be justified and the past delays (even WADA was not given reasons for all the NRL delays) and the damage to the players resulting from those delays provide the appropriate justification for exceptional action. ASADA will need a good excuse to deny the request for speed.
Yep, McDevitt says gotta wait for ADRVP and their own timetable.
McDevitt had no problem dispensing with the ADRVP altogether with the cases of 12 NRL players. So he has no power over the ADRVP but he can completely ignore it at his whim. Players should simply ask PC McDevitt to bypass the AVRVP - he did it with the NRL. The "mandatory" process required the ADRVP to consider the NRL cases - they didn't.the CEO has no legal power to direct the function of the ADRVP or to dictate the timing of its consideration of cases.