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What is wrong with that ??? He has the PERFECT body for a male swimmer !!!!!!!
You mean female swimmer!
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What is wrong with that ??? He has the PERFECT body for a male swimmer !!!!!!!
It takes a special type of mind to understand the law and how lawyers think.
The argument will be that it was wrong on the balance of probabilities (the legal question) to conclude ASADA conducted an independent and impartial investigation. To make that argument it is necessary to refer to the evidence led (i.e. the facts). As I said...special type of logic!
Take this to the HTB and you will get some learned argument against your opinion. That I can guarantee.
I'll pass on your thoughts to my daughter...one more semester and she's finished her law degree
Take this to the HTB and you will get some learned argument against your opinion. That I can guarantee.
I thought her name was Yay we won, or was it We do ping, I get confused with the two of them.How could you forget Le Jingyi!
BlueHeeler25 HTB=hot topic board...a board dedicated to discussing the ASADA saga.
It's a bit of a nightmare.
I am new here - what is HTB?
You told another poster earlier they had no idea what they were talking about and implied you were the expert on this subject. Feel free to argue back
What I have stated isn't opinion - it is fact. Might take a few years but watch ASADA be reformed.
I thought her name was Yay we won, or was it We do ping, I get confused with the two of them.
I am new here - what is HTB?
You told another poster earlier they had no idea what they were talking about and implied you were the expert on this subject. Feel free to argue back
What I have stated isn't opinion - it is fact. Might take a few years but watch ASADA be reformed.
Hot Topic Board? Hahahaha. And here's me thinking its the Holding The Ball board.BlueHeeler25 HTB=hot topic board...a board dedicated to discussing the ASADA saga.
It's a bit of a nightmare.
BlueHeeler25 HTB=hot topic board...a board dedicated to discussing the ASADA saga.
It's a bit of a nightmare.
Get some comprehension clues.footyfan admits he pays little attention but still stands by his opinion,
[sorry to pick parts of your post but I didn't want my reply to be to long and un readable. I don't disagree with the parts I have removed]Ok I will play because this is just totally wrong.
1. ASADA is a statutory body set up under legislation that has been around for decades. They have annual processes where they can request changes to legislation to broaden their powers or to give them more funding. Can you point me to where they have requested wider powers and more funding before this issue arose? No you can't because it never happened.
2. ASADA, an independent statutory body, decided to be complicit in what was essentially a government stunt. The "blackest day in Australian sport" was essentially a media strategy by Jason Clare and Gillard's office to take attention away from Gillard's crazy decision to name an election date and Rudd continually back grounding against her. Despite the fact they had NOT carried out to proper investigation and not followed due process, ASADA officials decided to stand next to Government Ministers at a Press Conference announcing to the world that Australian sport had a drug problem. Remember the heads of all codes there? This was a political stunt and something an independent statutory body should not participate in.
3. ASADA then proceeded to conduct an investigation with the help of the AFL (who should have been one of the party's under investigation) and to allow the AFL to have access to its findings first, and to consent to the AFL taking action against Essendon (kicking them out of the 2013 finals). Perhaps you don't understand what a statutory body is? It is meant to be independent and impartial from ALL interference - government, third party etc. ASADA has shown itself to be the puppet of government.
I am new here - what is HTB?
You told another poster earlier they had no idea what they were talking about and implied you were the expert on this subject. Feel free to argue back
What I have stated isn't opinion - it is fact. Might take a few years but watch ASADA be reformed.
You said enough to warrant my response.Get some comprehension clues.
Simply me stating an opinion without having an interest in discussing long winded speculation in forums on that whole long running story is in no way saying I pay no attention to actual events. My opinion is what it is. How I got that I did not even say. Enough with this dribble from people that think they can know anything about another person simply because I could not be bothered with indulging in endless speculation. A joke to think you can assume so much when I said very little.
No doubt. But no more so than the media, and not all of it. There are some good brains trying to make sense of everything that is known in the public domain about what happened, which is a fair bit. There are also some nut jobs. Quite a few actually.And I can guarantee you that the vast majority of the stuff on the HTB is speculation or uneducated speculation.
The real story is the systematic doping not the court case
This club doped their players with god knows what, they cannot go unpunished
For governance, not doping.The club has already been dealt with.
[sorry to pick parts of your post but I didn't want my reply to be to long and un readable. I don't disagree with the parts I have removed]
It's an interesting view, but one which appears to be very subjective.
The press conference you are referring to was in regards to a report published by the crime commission which dealt with a doping epidemic in Australian sport. While the epidemic at professional level has not been found to be as wide spread as first believed performance and image enhancing drug use in Australia has been found to be at epidemic levels. It was obvious that at such a press conference the head of the national anti doping body should be available for comment as it was in the public interest. Being at the press conference in my opinion does not mean that ASADA was taking sides or being coerced into taking up any agenda at all other than it's own legislated agenda.
Also, the supreme court found that ASADA acted within it's legislated power to conduct it's "own" investigation. It found that;
28 ASADA’s purpose was as I have already described; that is, to investigate possible anti-doping violations. The “harnessing” of the “compulsory powers” of the AFL needs to be put in context. ASADA was not using any power of coercion or compulsive on or any power of sanction under the Act or NAD Scheme. Mr Hird and the 34 Players could refuse to produce documents to, and to answer questions put to them by, ASADA or the AFL, but in doing so would breach their contractual obligations with Essendon and the AFL. Whether or not the 34 Players (or even Mr Hird) felt they had no choice to answer questions in front of ASADA and the AFL, is not to the point. The legal consequences of Mr Hird and the 34 Players voluntarily entering into the contractual regime with Essendon and the AFL, and subjecting themselves to the Player Rules and AFL Code, included undertaking certain obligations and relinquishing certain rights. One such right was the right to claim the privilege against self-incrimination before the AFL subject to the carve out in r 1.9 of the Player Rules. Similarly, obligations were imposed on Mr Hird and the 34 Players to co-operate with the AFL and ASADA in investigations. There is no suggestion in these proceedings that Mr Hird or any of the 34 Players did not understand the nature of the contractual obligations undertaken, or the rights they were giving up, in return for the right or privilege to play or coach AFL football for Essendon in the AFL competition.
The supreme court also found that ASADA had not breached it's mandate even under the pressure being applied to it by the minister and the AFL.
I do not regard such pressure as giving rise to any dereliction by Ms Andruska in respect of her responsibilities, under the Act or the NAD Scheme.
It's also legislated as part of ASADAs function that;
21 CEO’s functions
(1) The CEO has the following functions:
(j)cooperate with the States and Territories, and with sporting organisations, to carry out initiatives about sports doping and safety matters;