Play Nice Adam Goodes

[Moo]

Wow just imagine the up roar if we had a Caucasian round and someone like Stevie J did a white man war dance.

 

[Jeff76]

Why is it so hard to understand that, for 8 seconds, his focus might not have been on what white people think of him, but rather on what Indigenous people think of him - and more importantly, what Indigenous people think of themselves?

As he said after the game, he didn't invent the dance (so presumably, didn't invent the spear throw). It was a tribute to a group of Under 16s kids who did.

Bullshit

 

[CountryRace]

Wow just imagine the up roar if we had a Caucasian round and someone like Stevie J did a white man war dance.

Small poxs and blankets?

 

[Lester Burnham]

Ok fella. Back up a second. Let's look at what Goodes did. It was a traditional dance. How many traditional head severing, bomb throwing dances do you know?
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It was a traditional dance that Goodes had to be taught. Why, because he did not grow up in traditional Aborigine communities.

So, how about other players in different circumstances such as pretending to machine gun the crowd, throw hand grenades or behead people? They might claim they are 'traditional' to their cultures.

Secondly, yes. The SCG is on Eora country.

Adam Goodes has no affiliation to the Eora people.

 

[Back One Out]

Why is it so hard to understand that, for 8 seconds, his focus might not have been on what white people think of him, but rather on what Indigenous people think of him - and more importantly, what Indigenous people think of themselves?

As he said after the game, he didn't invent the dance (so presumably, didn't invent the spear throw). It was a tribute to a group of Under 16s kids who did.

Yeah, a premeditated dance which he picked up from the Under 16's knowing full well he was going to get a few boos

I reckon he will laugh about it with the boys when he sees them next
One of them will imitate Ted Whitten and say "Ya stuck it up 'em, Boss!!!"


Why is that so hard for anyone to understand?

 

[Sydney Bloods]

I know that Wilkipeadia isn't viewed as a good source of information but according to the webpage on the Eora nation, they died out in the 18th century, or is Goodes from a different group.

You miss understand the eora nation No longer exists, just as over 200 indigenous nations no longer exist.
and although around 70% of the Eora NATION was depopulated in the 18th century, the Eora people still exist.

Adam Goodes's heritage is of the Adnyamathanha peoples. Which is from the flinders rangers.

 

[YES! YES! YES!]

I agree. Indigenous round should be scrapped. When campaigners like Goodes are using it for their own self interest it is counterproductive to any intended benefit.

It's not so much Goodes acting out against a crowd.

I just don't like this notion of acknowledging Aboriginal players as a member of a race.

I would much rather people acknowledge them as being talented or hard working footballer.

The colour of someone's skin or their origins should be irrelevant as markers of identity. What they set out to achieve in life as individuals should be how they are recognised and remembered.

 

[DerpWerls]

Who really cares what Adam Goodes does when he boots a goal?

 

[CountryRace]

It's not so much Goodes acting out against a crowd.

I just don't like this notion of acknowledging Aboriginal players as a member of a race.

I would much rather people acknowledge them as being talented or hard working footballer.

The colour of someone's skin or their origins should be irrelevant as markers of identity. What they set out to achieve in life as individuals should be how they are recognised and remembered.

Tough t***ies ?

 

[Lester Burnham]

I like it....it stays.

I regret that you are no longer a moderator on Bigfooty so I doubt you have any influence in these matters.

 

[Lost_Deputy]

It was a traditional dance that Goodes had to be taught. Why, because he did not grow up in traditional Aborigine communities.

So, how about other players in different circumstances such as pretending to machine gun the crowd, throw hand grenades or behead people? They might claim they are 'traditional' to their cultures.



Adam Goodes has no affiliation to the Eora people.

Firstly, traditions are tought. That's how they're learned. Secondly, he was repping a local group.

Thirdly, the Eora nation is not a people but a section of land (kinda like a state) stretching from Sydney out to the Blue Mountains. It is home to many nations including Goodes'.

 

[Lester Burnham]

Tough t***ies ?

Racist?

 

[Moo]

It's not so much Goodes acting out against a crowd.

I just don't like this notion of acknowledging Aboriginal players as a member of a race.

I would much rather people acknowledge them as being talented or hard working footballer.

The colour of someone's skin or their origins should be irrelevant as markers of identity. What they set out to achieve in life as individuals should be how they are recognised and remembered.

Opinion noted.

Goodes however disagrees, and I'm sure everyone agrees that this is what makes our nation great - freedom of choice and expression.

If you don't agree ....can I ask - Why do you hate Australia and our way of life?

 

[Moo]

Racist?

Religious vilification?

 

[King Notorious]

I don't even want to know what's going to happen if people lose their s**t over this. Seems nobody can express themselves

 

[Lost_Deputy]

I don't agree. Acknowledgment is earned (or at least it is in my opinion).

You can't earn being Indigenous. You're either born with it or your not.

You can earn the reputation of being a great footballer by working hard and achieving results on the field.

"Earnings" rather than "beings" is what I think should be acknowledged in the AFL.

Not in human rights it ain't. Race isn't internationally recognized anymore as it was mainly based off objective criteria. Mainly that of us putting our labels on stuff

Contemporay concepts of people's are based off self-identification. It largely includes cultural continuity, traditional lands, self concept, language and spirituality.

Again, it's not about us anymore and for good reason

 

[Back One Out]

Goodes said they weren't booing him.

He didn't say that

Richo asked him if his goal celebration was "a reaction to anything untoward from the crowd"
Goodes said "Nah mate. Indigenous Round. Proud to be representing.."

There is nothing "untoward" about Goodes being heckled when he lines up a shot for goal

Travis Cloke would've turned to them, screamed and pumped his fists at them. Goodes did his Indigenous Round "war dance". Perfect. I think he shut most of them up. The boos died down after that.

He should of just found a worthy Carlton opponent and....actually now it is starting to make sense.

LOL

 

[kelpie_X]

pity the Carlton supporters did nothing to warrant such a passionate outburst to be directed at them.

Confirming this quote:
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...day-to-apologise/story-fni5fan7-1226650256245

Also confirming his status as a flog of the highest order.

MMMMMM horrible man . Ghastly.

 

[Ron The Bear]

What do you mean? Thought he was treating the public as grown ups. What do you think he meant by that statement?

That Australia is racist to the core (theme repeated while AotY). That racism is so endemic, even children espouse it.

 

[garlic munchers]

Are you really, aboriginal people don't put a number on it. You are either an aboriginal or not.

You are either very naive or being deliberately misleading. Aboriginal groups in the Pilbara, Kimberley's and Tasmania are actively promoting measurements of aboriginality.

 

[KnaveyBlue]

Explain to me how its divisive?

If you can't see how that stupid aggressive dance during reconciliation week at a bunch of sad, dispirited, and - let's be honest - almost entirely white people was divisive, then you've drank so much leftist Kool-Aid that you might start shitting Karl Marx. What did it have to do with football? And where do we draw the line?
Should a Jewish player be able to get in the face of Lebs? Should a Muslim player be able to scream in the face of Christian supporters? Hell, why not let English players sing God Save The Queen at any Frenchman they see in the crowd, lord knows they hate each other.

There's inequalities and injustices between just about all people on the planet, and when you condone or encourage it by degrees, you're just adding to the problem.

"Oh no no, it's OK when PeopleX do it, because PeopleY invaded them in the year 1586, and PeopleZ shouldn't be offended."

 

[ozgamer]

Just a thought but maybe he could've arranged to do this prematch with his Indigenous teammates, so viewers had a bit more context? A bit like the Haka in NZ? That could've been immensely celebrated and informative, with more cultural context about what we're seeing.

I agree with the bit about context.

 

[Ron The Bear]

Explain to me how its divisive? In what way does doing something to represent his culture in any way affect your own societal or cultural standing? In what way is expressing pride in his culture at all a statement on any other culture?

I'm sick of reading this. What Goodes did tonight wasn't about you, it wasn't about white Australia - much as it might shock you to learn that it's not always about you, this was about Indigenous Australia.

White Australia and black people accommodating to white Australia need not be our focus 100% of the time, and you needn't take advocacy for the furthering of Indigenous opportunity so personally. No ones coming for your land mate.

He was saying, "I'm different to you. Hate me for it." He was inviting hate.

 

[Lester Burnham]

Firstly, traditions are tought. That's how they're learned. Secondly, he was repping a local group.

Thirdly, the Eora nation is not a people but a section of land (kinda like a state) stretching from Sydney out to the Blue Mountains. It is home to many nations including Goodes'.

Goodes has picked his 'traditions'. He has mixed European and Aborigine ancestry and was not brought up in Aborigine communities. His war dance was completely contrived.

Goodes grew up in SA and Victoria. Absolute waffle that somehow the SCG is 'his land'.

 

[Lost_Deputy]

That Australia is racist to the core (theme repeated while AotY). That racism is so endemic, even children espouse it.

Oh alright. I read it as that we still have along way to go. You may be right. Either way what is the bad thing in highlighting it? Not sure he was treating the nation like idiots.