Mid East Israel declare war after Hamas attack II

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Mid East - Israel declare war after Hamas attack.

Breaking the law. 'International humanitarian law prohibits a siege of Gaza, UN human rights commissioner says From CNN's Eve Brennan Ravina Shamdasani speaks at the Palais des Nations in Geneva, Switzerland, on September 7, 2018. Ravina Shamdasani speaks at the Palais des Nations in...

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[blackcat]

Maybe. Which ultimately means the USA turns the tap off - not enters the war.

Netenyahu is playing a high stakes game

no mebbe about it

see 10' ±5minutes and Mearsheimer talks of industrial capacity , Glasnost and perestroika Russia did not shut off their industry

 

[LeoMessi]

nope , this is an antisemitic trope for midwits , the Americans have Ukraine and Israel doing their bidding , not the other war around

Nope. This is the convenient truth you want to believe by drawing parallels where there aren’t any. I wasn’t talking about Ukraine at all but you are right on that instance.
But the same doesn’t apply to Israel. Ukraine has no influence in US politics whatsoever. In fact, long term US support for Ukraine is well in doubt. While Israel enjoys bipartisan support irregardless of who is in control. There’s barely any lip service criticism of Israel let alone something more meaningful

 

[blackcat]

Not convinced that China is actually eyeing off more than Taiwan in terms of making it part of China. They're eyeing off everywhere in terms of economic opportunity, but Taiwan is different -it's the One China dream.

know the water you swim in

how does one neutralise the WesternConsensus™ from Reuters AgenceFrancePress AP ... Chatham Brookings Councilforeignaffairs

you are literally in Plato's cave

You imbibe a Bellingcat × WhitehelmetFreeSyrianArmy talking point
#Da#DanielKahnemaninformationavailability

 

[blackcat]

Nope. This is the convenient truth you want to believe by drawing parallels where there aren’t any. I wasn’t talking about Ukraine at all but you are right on that instance.
But the same doesn’t apply to Israel. Ukraine has no influence in US politics whatsoever. In fact, long term US support for Ukraine is well in doubt. While Israel enjoys bipartisan support irregardless of who is in control. There’s barely any lip service criticism of Israel let alone something more meaningful

Brandon Rice Power Sullivan hold more power than Bibi , Bibi is a blowhard who talks alot of smack , the lobby and Christianzionists hold influence , not power

 

[LeoMessi]

wouldn't be much of one.

Irans level of military capability is just above dog s**t.

I wouldn’t underestimate Iran. And on top, I suspect you’d see a reverse of allies helping Ukraine with weapons. It could be Russia’s turn to supply some advanced weaponry to Iran just to keep US second-guessing. Plus, the Iran proxies would ensure there’d be fronts all over Middle East, it would be a very expensive exercise for US.
It would not be in US interest to get into another money pit of a war in Middle East after the debacle of Afghanistan.

 

[QuietB]

I wouldn’t underestimate Iran. And on top, I suspect you’d see a reverse of allies helping Ukraine with weapons. It could be Russia’s turn to supply some advanced weaponry to Iran just to keep US second-guessing. Plus, the Iran proxies would ensure there’d be fronts all over Middle East, it would be a very expensive exercise for US.
It would not be in US interest to get into another money pit of a war in Middle East after the debacle of Afghanistan.

And precisely what would the USA be fighting for?

Strategically Israel is not that important.

 

[LeoMessi]

And precisely what would the USA be fighting for?

Strategically Israel is not that important.

Question is, why have they so far? Why have they destabilised most of the ME for? There’s only one common denominator. US would have nothing to gain but someone else would.

 

[Zidane98]

err, you do realise USSR and Germany were the biggest 2 players against each other in the European theater in WWII - not allies

They were allies until Hitler double crossed Stalin and decided to attempt an invasion of Russia.

 

[Smeg Head]

They were allies until Hitler double crossed Stalin and decided to attempt an invasion of Russia.

Ask a Polish person what they think of both

 

[blackcat]

Question is, why have they so far? Why have they destabilised most of the ME for? There’s only one common denominator. US would have nothing to gain but someone else would.

first input of economy is energy

America gets to control oil (not own)

why Venezuela¹ Libia² and Russia³ first enemies of America ?

check who holds largest natural store of energy resources , it's that simple

since inception israel have stood as 2IC for Britain and America to keep the oil flow control
___Cheney wished to take down Iran since '04± and pushback came from pentagon and gwBush
oil flow control Cheney wished to take down Iran since '04± and pushback cam from pentagon and gwBush

 

[Rob R]

err, you do realise USSR and Germany were the biggest 2 players against each other in the European theater in WWII - not allies

Maybe you should study history and see how they worked together to split Poland in 39 and other territories, the Russians ordered their supporters overseas to try and stop the Western mobilisation etc It might publically have been a non agression pact but the secret elements made it clear it was much more.

Same as now, happily working together until Xi decides it is time to backstab his friend.



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[blackcat]

They were allies until Hitler double crossed Stalin and decided to attempt an invasion of Russia.

Hitler #Godwin's_law building up military and a great phonetic eponymous tome h8ing bolsheviks #medusala rip

 

[blackcat]

w/o google search , this gentleman Prof from Uni in Tehran speaks with a received accent , first choice Vancouver British Columbia second Adelaide SA then Sydney NSW

retweet =/= endorsement
opinions my own
wildean drollery all me

 

[rank and file]

first input of economy is energy

America gets to control oil (not own)

why Venezuela¹ Libia² and Russia³ first enemies of America ?

check who holds largest natural store of energy resources , it's that simple

since inception israel have stood as 2IC for Britain and America to keep the oil flow control
___Cheney wished to take down Iran since '04± and pushback came from pentagon and gwBush
oil flow control Cheney wished to take down Iran since '04± and pushback cam from pentagon and gwBush

Good to see Biden tightening up with the bookies
They know

 

[blackcat]

Good to see Biden tightening up with the bookies
They know

futures <Moved> Thurs last ,
11 days ago

blackcat tweets to a chris martenson post , so whomever is marketmaker in TheCity or Chicago comm exchange was getting same information as me

 

[blackcat]

w/o google search , this gentleman Prof from Uni in Tehran speaks with a received accent , first choice Vancouver British Columbia second Adelaide SA then Sydney NSW
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Virginia as kid , uni Birmingham england

 

[Geelong_Sicko]

A statement from Albo;

https://www.pm.gov.au/media/irans-attacks-israel

Australia condemns Iran’s attacks on Israel this morning.

Iran has ignored our call, and those of many other countries, not to proceed with these reckless attacks.

Anyone who cares for the protection of innocent life must stand against these attacks.

This escalation is a grave threat to the security of Israel and the entire region. It risks greater instability and devastation across the Middle East. Australia continues to support regional security, including that of Israel.

Iran’s ongoing flouting of international law, its egregious human rights abuses and threat to international security is why this Government has imposed targeted financial sanctions and travel bans, including Magnitsky-style sanctions, on 85 individuals and 97 entities.

Australia will continue to work with the international community to increase pressure on Iran to cease its destabilising actions and to prevent the conflict from spreading...

Will Australia also work with the international community to increase pressure on the Zionist Cancer to cease its destabilising actions? To cease meticulously and callously murdering aid workers? To cease indiscriminate bombing that has killed tens of thousands of civilians?

 

[rank and file]

futures Moved Thurs last ,
11 days ago

blackcat tweets to a chris martenson post , so whomever is marketmaker on TheCity or Chicago comm exchange was getting same information as me

Happy with gold
Got an ounce for less than $350 ages ago
Brics bumping it up

 

[Geelong_Sicko]

Happy with gold
Got an ounce for less than $350 ages ago
Brics bumping it up

Probably a dumb question here, but when you buy gold is it actually bullion you can hold in your hand? Or just numbers in an account to the value of an ounce?

 

[Geelong_Sicko]

Ask a Polish person what they think of both

Yeah Poland has suffered greatly at the hands of others. The Katyn massacre for instance

Russian parliament admits guilt over Polish massacre

Symbolic acknowledgment of culpability over Katyn murders in 1940 signals Russia's willingness to face up to its past

www.theguardian.com

27 Nov 2010

In a symbolic admission of guilt, Russia's parliament has declared that Joseph Stalin ordered his secret police to execute 22,000 Polish army officers and civilians in 1940, in one of the greatest mass murders of the 20th century.

Today's acknowledgment of Stalin's personal culpability over the Katyn massacre comes amid a cautious thaw between Moscow and Warsaw, whose recent relations have been thorny at best. It was also seen as a sign that Russia may finally be ready for muted self-scrutiny over its totalitarian past.

Mikhail Gorbachev admitted in 1990 that the NKVD was to blame for the massacre, after a half-century of the Soviets blaming it on Nazi troops. However, there has never been a formal statement which implicates the Soviet leadership in such explicit terms.

Officials in Warsaw greeted the declaration positively. "It is a good step, an important sign," Poland's speaker of parliament, Grzegorz Schetyna, told reporters. It would ensure a "better atmosphere" for Russian president Dmitry Medvedev's visit to Warsaw next week, he added.

The 21,768 officers, doctors, policemen and other public servants – captured by the Red Army when it swept into Poland after the outbreak of the second world war in 1939 – were mainly shot in Katyn forest near Smolensk in western Russia and in several other places...

Even its relations with Ukraine has a few skeletons in the closet

Zelensky honours Poles killed by Ukrainians in WW2 Volhynia massacre

Ukraine's leader seeks to heal a deep historical wound with his Polish counterpart at a church service.

www.bbc.com

10 July 2023

Ukraine's President Volodymyr Zelensky and his Polish counterpart have jointly commemorated the Poles murdered by Ukrainian nationalists in the 1943 Volhynia (Volyn) massacre.

In a Catholic cathedral in western Ukraine, Mr Zelensky and President Andrzej Duda placed candles to honour the tens of thousands who were killed.

Poland is one of Ukraine's closest allies against the Russian occupation.

But the Volhynia slaughter remains a dark cloud in their relations.

The Ukrainian nationalists, led by Stepan Bandera, operated in German-occupied Poland during World War Two and many collaborated with the Nazis. They attacked about 150 villages, murdering the minority Polish population.

Poland puts the death toll as high as 100,000 and says Ukraine should apologise and ask for forgiveness. The Polish parliament has called the massacre a genocide - a description contested by Ukraine.

The slaughter provoked reprisals from Poles against Ukrainian civilians. At least 2,000 Ukrainians were killed...

 

[rank and file]

Probably a dumb question here, but when you buy gold is it actually bullion you can hold in your hand? Or just numbers in an account to the value of an ounce?

Bullion you can hold in your hand
Not much in the scheme of things

 

[blackcat]

Yeah Poland has suffered greatly at the hands of others. The Katyn massacre for instance



Even its relations with Ukraine has a few skeletons in the closet

chief will have to give me some credit one day

 

[Number37]

Probably a dumb question here, but when you buy gold is it actually bullion you can hold in your hand? Or just numbers in an account to the value of an ounce?

The attraction of gold is that it is NOT just numbers in an account.

Costello sold the majority of Australia's gold reserves at $331/ ounce.
The current price of gold is $3700/ounce.
Could have paid off the pandemic debt.

 

[HirdsTheWord]

I wouldn’t underestimate Iran. And on top, I suspect you’d see a reverse of allies helping Ukraine with weapons. It could be Russia’s turn to supply some advanced weaponry to Iran just to keep US second-guessing. Plus, the Iran proxies would ensure there’d be fronts all over Middle East, it would be a very expensive exercise for US.
It would not be in US interest to get into another money pit of a war in Middle East after the debacle of Afghanistan.

There isn’t much to underestimate.

Irans defences consists of military equipment that is 30+ years old. A single F22 could probably wipe out irans entire Air Force alone.

No one is worried about Iran on their own. It’s more so the powder keg that could ignite is what is worrying.

 

[Trouto]

Question is, why have they so far? Why have they destabilised most of the ME for? There’s only one common denominator. US would have nothing to gain but someone else would.

they do it for the money. both grabbing resources (aka Syrian oil) and loading up the industrial complex with sales. I rekon one of the reasons why Ukraine is happening is to dump all their older equipment onto ukraine to allow for upgrades