List Mgmt. 2014 Draft Discussion Part II

[Deanos]

What are the thoughts on the Rioli Brothers? Both overlooked in their draft year. But both showing their talent in the NEAFL for Northern Territory. Willie showing his skill and footy smarts like his cousin Cyril and Ben providing good run and carry for NT.

 

[tigs2010]

What are the thoughts on the Rioli Brothers? Both overlooked in their draft year. But both showing their talent in the NEAFL for Northern Territory. Willie showing his skill and footy smarts like his cousin Cyril and Ben providing good run and carry for NT.

Last I saw them willie was eating bens 3 meals a day. Ben would be about 50kg and willie 90kg. Has that changed?

 

[Deanos]

Last I saw them willie was eating bens 3 meals a day. Ben would be about 50kg and willie 90kg. Has that changed?

That hasn't exactly changed but ben has got a bit bigger not much though.

 

[bananatigz]

tigs2010 what do you see our most pressing needs as? I would say KPD, small forward, pacey wingman/halfback, big inside accumulator

Durdin looks like he will be gone by our pick, I like the look of Pickett. Are there any small forwards of note we could pick up with our second pick?

 

[_RT_]

Thought I would give an update as to how some of the kids I named in the OP are going at this early stage of the season:

Matthew Ah Siu 2 Colts games: 13.5 kicks 12.5 handballs 6 marks 1.5 goals 0.5 tackles

Angus Brayshaw 2 games Averages: 18.5 kicks 10 handballs 9.5 handball receives 6 marks 4.5 tackles
Named best for Sandringham round 1 with 37 disposals 14 handball receives 9 marks 5 tackles & 1.2

Daniel Caprion 1 game 7 kicks 4 handballs 2 handball receives 2 marks 3 tackles

Liam Dawson No Stats Available

Liam Duggan 2 games 5.6 kicks 6 handballs 4.5 handball receives 2.5 marks 5 tackles 0.5 goals

Sam Durdin No Stats Available

Hugh Goddard 1 game 8 kicks 2 handballs 6 marks (2 contested) 4 tackles 3 goals.

Liam Griffiths No Stats Available

Jack Hayes No Stats Available

Isaac Heeney No Stats Available

Tom Lamb 1 game 17 kicks 8 handballs 2 handball receives 13 marks(6 contested) 1 tackle 6.1 Best on Ground.

Jake Lever Yet To Play

Ryan Lim 2 Colts games Averages: 11.5 kicks 12.5 handballs 8 marks 2 tackles 1 goal

Brayden Maynard 3 games Averages: 14.3 kicks 4.3 handballs 7.6 handball receives 4.3 marks(0.3 contested marks) 5.6 tackles 0.6 goals
After a quiet start to the season had 24 disposals 14 handball receives 4 marks 7 tackles and 1 goal against Northern to be named best player for Sandringham.

Patrick McCartin 1 game 7 kicks 5 handballs 1 handball receive 5 marks 4.1

Sean McLaren 2 games Averages:2.5 tackles 5.5 kicks 2 handballs 2.5 handball receives 1 mark 2.5 tackles 8 hitouts 0.5 goals

Darcy Moore 3 games Averages: 9 kicks 3.3 handballs 1 handball receive 6.6 marks (2.3 contested marks) 0.6 tackles 1 goal

Jackson Nelson 1 game 9 kicks 6 handballs 6 handball receives 2 marks 5 tackles

Christian Petracca 2 games Averages: 11.5 kicks 10.5 handballs 3 handball receives 2.5 marks (2 contested) 5 tackles 1.5 goals
Named best for Eastern Ranges in round 1 with 25 disposals 3 goals 4 marks 6 tackles. Quieter in round 2.

Jarrod Pickett 2 Colts games Averages: 12 kicks 10.5 handballs 4 marks 1 goal 1.5 tackles

Clem Smith 2 League Games Averages: 11 kicks 3.5 handballs 2.5 marks 2.5 tackles

Billy Stretch Yet To Play

Alec Waterman 3 Colts games Averages: 14.6 kicks 15 handballs 6 marks 3.6 tackles 0.3 goals

Lachlan Weller Yet To Play

Peter Wright 2 games Averaging: 9.5 kicks 5 handballs 3 handball receives 5 marks (2 contested) 10.5 hitouts
Kicked 0.5 in round 1 then followed up with 5.4 in his last game.

 

[Deanos]

Thought I would give an update as to how some of the kids I named in the OP are going at this early stage of the season:

Matthew Ah Siu 2 Colts games: 13.5 kicks 12.5 handballs 6 marks 1.5 goals 0.5 tackles

Angus Brayshaw 2 games Averages: 18.5 kicks 10 handballs 9.5 handball receives 6 marks 4.5 tackles
Named best for Sandringham round 1 with 37 disposals 14 handball receives 9 marks 5 tackles & 1.2
Daniel Caprion 1 game 7 kicks 4 handballs 2 handball receives 2 marks 3 tackles
Liam Dawson No Stats Available

Liam Duggan 2 games 5.6 kicks 6 handballs 4.5 handball receives 2.5 marks 5 tackles 0.5 goals

Sam Durdin No Stats Available

Hugh Goddard 1 game 8 kicks 2 handballs 6 marks (2 contested) 4 tackles 3 goals.

Liam Griffiths No Stats Available

Jack Hayes No Stats Available

Isaac Heeney No Stats Available

Tom Lamb 1 game 17 kicks 8 handballs 2 handball receives 13 marks(6 contested) 1 tackle 6.1 Best on Ground.

Jake Lever Yet To Play

Ryan Lim 2 Colts games Averages: 11.5 kicks 12.5 handballs 8 marks 2 tackles 1 goal

Brayden Maynard 3 games Averages: 14.3 kicks 4.3 handballs 7.6 handball receives 4.3 marks(0.3 contested marks) 5.6 tackles 0.6 goals
After a quiet start to the season had 24 disposals 14 handball receives 4 marks 7 tackles and 1 goal against Northern to be named best player for Sandringham.

Patrick McCartin 1 game 7 kicks 5 handballs 1 handball receive 5 marks 4.1

Sean McLaren 2 games Averages:2.5 tackles 5.5 kicks 2 handballs 2.5 handball receives 1 mark 2.5 tackles 8 hitouts 0.5 goals

Darcy Moore 3 games Averages: 9 kicks 3.3 handballs 1 handball receive 6.6 marks (2.3 contested marks) 0.6 tackles 1 goal

Jackson Nelson 1 game 9 kicks 6 handballs 6 handball receives 2 marks 5 tackles

Christian Petracca 2 games Averages: 11.5 kicks 10.5 handballs 3 handball receives 2.5 marks (2 contested) 5 tackles 1.5 goals
Named best for Eastern Ranges in round 1 with 25 disposals 3 goals 4 marks 6 tackles. Quieter in round 2.

Jarrod Pickett 2 Colts games Averages: 12 kicks 10.5 handballs 4 marks 1 goal 1.5 tackles

Clem Smith 2 League Games Averages: 11 kicks 3.5 handballs 2.5 marks 2.5 tackles

Billy Stretch Yet To Play

Alec Waterman 3 Colts games Averages: 14.6 kicks 15 handballs 6 marks 3.6 tackles 0.3 goals

Lachlan Weller Yet To Play

Peter Wright 2 games Averaging: 9.5 kicks 5 handballs 3 handball receives 5 marks (2 contested) 10.5 hitouts
Kicked 0.5 in round 1 then followed up with 5.4 in his last game.

Some other stats to add to this from the AIS-AFL Academy vs Collingwood VFL on Friday

Lachlan Weller Gathered 13 disposals

Jarrod Pickett Gathered 14 disposals and had 4 clearances

Angus Brayshaw Gathered 21 disposals and 4 inside 50's

Tom Lamb Gathered 11 disposals and took 5 marks and kicked a goal

 

[tigs2010]

Tom Lamb would be an interesting prospect too.

Good to see Pickett doing well.

_RT_ Durdin is injured so hasn't played.

 

[tigs2010]

tigs2010 what do you see our most pressing needs as? I would say KPD, small forward, pacey wingman/halfback, big inside accumulator

Durdin looks like he will be gone by our pick, I like the look of Pickett. Are there any small forwards of note we could pick up with our second pick?

I was trying to do a quick analysis of the list to see what we need.

In no particular order:

1) Big, skilled inside midfielder. The fact Matt Thomas is getting games probably says it all. Yeah, he wins a lot of the ball but he butchers it straight back. I actually think we already have one of these in Vlastuin, but not sure what the reasoning is for him playing HBF, (Development or that's where they see him playing?)

2) Tall rebounding defenders. If Vlastuin goes to the midfield then we lose height in our rebounders with Houli, McDonough and Newman all being short arses. Ben Lennon is potentially this player for us. Let's hope so, then we can release Vlas to the middle and we've solved the first 2 problems. McIntosh could develop into another but he's a bit of a project.

3) KPD depth. We only have 5 KPD's on the list. One is a rookie in Darrou who could well be chopped. I think we should probably have 6 on the list. Durdin would be great. I have him at #1 on my list. Watchman his SA buddy could be an option. Often the best KPD's start out as forwards and Watchman is a forward but he has also spent a bit of time playing KPD.

4) Young ruck. Everyone is avoiding these types. Personally I think we should avoid being a sheep and grab one. We'd be buying cheap at this rate. Rookie draft one to replace Orren. We have 2 rucks and also Vickery or Griff if desperate. Reed from SA or Cameron from last years draft could be options.

5) Pace, pace, pace. This probably should be at number 1 if I was going in order. We have Lids and that's it. Lets get some lightning speed into this team. Jarrod Pickett is the one for me this year at our pick. Unless Durdin was there. These smaller types often get undervalued and can go a bit later than they deserve. Nakia Cockatoo is another possibility.

6) Small forwards. We at least have some small forwards now. But are they quality. King looks cooked. Banfield is just a rubbish kick of the footy. Edwards is decent but an average kick, at least he creates chances from nothing. Lloyd we haven't seen yet but he has potential in the Jamie Elliot mould. I actually think Pickett could be that pacy small forward we want. Just with the added advantage you can play him on a wing, in the middle or off half back as well.

Overall I think we should be looking at having maybe 5 picks and 3 in the rookie. I think 2 will retire and then we should cut a few guys that aren't up to it IMO. Someone like a Batchelor might net us a pick in return.

1st Round: Jarrod Pickett
2nd Round: Peter Bampton/Dylan Winton
3rd Round: Jesse Watchman
4th Round: Nakia Cockatoo
5th Round: Daniel Capiron/Isaiah Miller (19yo)

Those are just off top of my head.

 

[bigstyletiger]

Nice analysis tigs2010. Agree with pretty much everything you said.

Am wondering what the future holds for Vlastuin. Ideally he will develop into a centreman. Dusty as well. With Dusty, Vlastuin, Jackson, Cotchin and Conca we shouldn't need anymore inside mids but at the moment the way we are structuring up we do. How good would Richmond be with Jobe Watson in the side.

We desperately need pace and skill on the outside. The work of Brad Hill, Isaac Smith and Cyril Rioli against Freo showed just how important it is on the MCG. Brad and Isaac have the combination of speed and endurance. Obviously we need this as we look flat footed when we don't have momentum. Hawks obviously know how important this is as they picked up Billy Hartung last year. Nathan Gordon looks a little like Smith. Let's hope he can rise to the level.

KPD - We need a guy coming through who can partner Rance in the years to come. Grimes is a third tall. Astbury - probably too slow. If we can nab a gun KPD with our first pick this year I would probably pull the trigger. Immediately we have more of a pace need though.

Half back. I think long term Lennon is a half back. Our forward line with JR, Griffiths, and Tyrone will just be too slow if Lennon plays forward. I'd play him in the Goddard, Gibbs half back role at this stage.

As for junior rucks. I think this is more of a luxury than a need. I wanted Bellchambers a few years ago and would love to see the club take a kid like that in the rookie draft and develop them into a gun but apart from the fact that Hammer and Maric are injured am happy with how we've filled our ruck needs.

 

[Stylo]

I know we've already got a few of his type but there's something I really like about Angus Brayshaw

 

[thetradesman]

tigs2010 what injury does Durdin have? I usually keep up to date but haven't heard anything so I just assumed he was playing?

 

[SumTingWong]

I know we've already got a few of his type but there's something I really like about Angus Brayshaw

Can never have enough guns

 

[Deanos]

tigs2010 what injury does Durdin have? I usually keep up to date but haven't heard anything so I just assumed he was playing?

http://www.sanfl.com.au/news/sanfl_news/2377/

 

[thetradesman]

http://www.sanfl.com.au/news/sanfl_news/2377/

Thanks mate.

He might slide a bit?

 

[Deanos]

Thanks mate.

He might slide a bit?

He'll be back in time for the National Champs, so shouldn't affect his draft position too much.

 

[thetradesman]

He'll be back in time for the National Champs, so shouldn't affect his draft position too much.

Yeah true, everyone loves Brayshaw but I don't want us to pick him at this stage.

 

[Deanos]

Yeah true, everyone loves Brayshaw but I don't want us to pick him at this stage.

Yeah would prefer Lachlan Weler or Jarrod Pickett. But i honestly don't see us having a chance at getting either, the same with Brayshaw. Unless some step up at the champs.

 

[tigs2010]

tigs2010 what injury does Durdin have? I usually keep up to date but haven't heard anything so I just assumed he was playing?

Wrist off the top of my head?

Edit: Oops thumb is close to the wrist at least.

 

[tigs2010]

Yeah would prefer Lachlan Weler or Jarrod Pickett. But i honestly don't see us having a chance at getting either, the same with Brayshaw. Unless some step up at the champs.

Bang. Both will be better than Brayshaw. Pickett probably the most likely of the two. Weller should go top 5 IMO.

 

[thetradesman]

Bang. Both will be better than Brayshaw. Pickett probably the most likely of the two. Weller should go top 5 IMO.

I love the way Picket goes about it and adds what we need most, pace.

 

[tigs2010]

I love the way Picket goes about it and adds what we need most, pace.

He's mine. Back off.

 

[thetradesman]

One I have been watching as a but if a later selection is Reece Mckenzie, big bodied key forward who left footy for basketball last year but has moved backed to the knights, love his presence around the footy and is a really strong mark.

 

[bananatigz]

One I have been watching as a but if a later selection is Reece Mckenzie, big bodied key forward who left footy for basketball last year but has moved backed to the knights, love his presence around the footy and is a really strong mark.

Played a bit of footy with him, absolute beast.

 

[theflea]

Can Darrou be used as a rebounding defender? With his size at least he could defend as well. Skills?

 

[tigs2010]

One I have been watching as a but if a later selection is Reece Mckenzie, big bodied key forward who left footy for basketball last year but has moved backed to the knights, love his presence around the footy and is a really strong mark.

Hearing some good things about him. Need to find some time to see him. If he can get some consistent output I don't think he'll be a late pick.