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Pretty sure one of the D&T regulars had him as a second rounder in a mock draft.
I know that there are few who rank him there at the moment but in my own rankings I have him at 40 odd
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Pretty sure one of the D&T regulars had him as a second rounder in a mock draft.
Warning: traditional Dan TL;DR post ahead.Just a general drafting question, but is it a trend that players who can't win their own ball are often rated lower by club recruiters than those on big footy? Second I recall with Macca that we were big on recruits being able to win their own ball more than most, is this still the case?
Could this mean that someone like Bonner could slip?
Just say we have pick 11 or 10 in this draft I think we should value add to Gold Coast or some one else.
Imagine if we had picks 19-20-21 for say pick 11 and Talia thinking like this whilst our list is flying would put us ahead of the pack.
Loss:
Pick 11 and Talia
Gain:
19-Burton 192cm Forward
20-Bonner 190cm HBF
21-McKay 200cm CHF
Then with picks
27 Parsons 189 Midfielder
44 Crocker 185cm forward onballer
Off list
Fuller
Talia-Trade
Minson-Trade
Prudent-Trade
Darley-Trade
Thoughts??
Show me how to get picks 9-11 and we could get two of those players but either Burton or McKay will likely be gone at pick 9. Early picking teams need forwards and those two are IMO the second and third best forwards in the draft.Just say we have pick 11 or 10 in this draft I think we should value add to Gold Coast or some one else.
Imagine if we had picks 19-20-21 for say pick 11 and Talia thinking like this whilst our list is flying would put us ahead of the pack.
Loss:
Pick 11 and Talia
Gain:
19-Burton 192cm Forward
20-Bonner 190cm HBF
21-McKay 200cm CHF
Then with picks
27 Parsons 189 Midfielder
44 Crocker 185cm forward onballer
Off list
Fuller
Talia-Trade
Minson-Trade
Prudent-Trade
Darley-Trade
Thoughts??
Not to mention picks 19, 20 and 21 effectively become picks 22,23 and 24 once Mills, Hopper, Kennedy, Keays and Hipwood are taken by GWS/Sydney/Brisbane.Show me how to get picks 9-11 and we could get two of those players but either Burton or McKay will likely be gone at pick 9. Early picking teams need forwards and those two are IMO the second and third best forwards in the draft.
We are not trade Talia our first pick for 19-21 with bidding system done live fatherson/ Academy player to dangerous for mine no guarantee the players you mentioned will be there at those picksJust say we have pick 11 or 10 in this draft I think we should value add to Gold Coast or some one else.
Imagine if we had picks 19-20-21 for say pick 11 and Talia thinking like this whilst our list is flying would put us ahead of the pack.
Loss:
Pick 11 and Talia
Gain:
19-Burton 192cm Forward
20-Bonner 190cm HBF
21-McKay 200cm CHF
Then with picks
27 Parsons 189 Midfielder
44 Crocker 185cm forward onballer
Off list
Fuller
Talia-Trade
Minson-Trade
Prudent-Trade
Darley-Trade
Thoughts??
With respect, the UP vs CP ratio is only irrelevant for guys who don't play through the midfield - Murph & Birchall generally play behind the ball and not through contested pack situations. Outside of this sort of player I believe the UP:CP ratios does make sense to note.With that said, however, I believe a bit of a fallacy has developed in this regard. A player having a 30:70 CP:UP ratio doesn't necessarily make them a greater risk than a player with a 50:50 ratio, nor does it necessarily make them a greater risk than a player with a 80-20 ratio. In fact it's entirely possible to sustain this uncontested style of play at AFL level: for example, Grant Birchall (76.2% UP last year) and our own Bob Murphy (73.5% UP last year) gather way more uncontested footy than they do contested footy yet both are very good players. There is a difference between the issues presented above and being a player who operates mostly in space.
isn't that the fictional drug from Breaking Bad? (forgive me, just pulled an all nighter)Just another question for you talent watchers.
Which player(s) have shown the most improvement this year?
Which player(s) have the most 'blue sky'?
Based on Dal's drafting history if we answer those two questions, we'll be getting an idea IMO.
And dannnnnnnnnn thanks for the earlier response - very educational.
Just another question for you talent watchers.
Which player(s) have shown the most improvement this year?
Which player(s) have the most 'blue sky'?
Based on Dal's drafting history if we answer those two questions, we'll be getting an idea IMO.
And dannnnnnnnnn thanks for the earlier response - very educational.
Would anyone who has been following the draft a lot this year so far (thinking of Wizard17 and Dav1d ) care to whip up a Bulldogs-specific wishlist at this point? I did the one below but it's really just based on what I've read. Would be really interested to see one from those who actually watch games.
- Jacob Weitering
- Josh Schache
- Aaron Francis
- Darcy Parish
- Callum Mills
- Jacob Hopper
- Charlie Curnow
- Riley Bonner
- Harry McKay
- Rhys Mathieson
- Ryan Burton
- Kieran Collins
- Callum Ah Chee
- Darcy Tucker
- Eric Hipwood
- Harley Balic
- Ben Keays
- Ryan Clarke
- Matthew Kennedy
- Luke Partington
- Mitchell Hibberd
- Wayne Milera
- Nick O'Kearney
- Jade Gresham
- Josh Dunkley
Love that you rate Curnow so high. Hibberd too. Everything I've read about Kennedy and Keays makes them seem too inside for us, without the silky outside skills I'm thinking we need. And I've been scared off Weiderman by a phantom drafter comparing him to Liam Jones.
- Jacob Weitering
- Darcy Parish
- Josh Schache
- Charlie Curnow
- Aaron Francis
- Callum Mills
- Matthew Kennedy
- Ben Keays
- Keiran Collins
- Jacob Hopper
- Harry McKay
- Eric Hipwood
- Rhys Mathieson
- Callum Ah Chee
- Harley Balic
- Riley Bonner
- Mitchell Hibberd
- Darcy Tucker
- Sam Weideman
- Tom Cole
- James Parsons
- Harrison Himmelberg
- Stephen Tahana
- Sam Skinner
- Jesse Glass-McCasker
- Jacob Weitering
- Darcy Parish
- Josh Schache
- Charlie Curnow
- Aaron Francis
- Callum Mills
- Matthew Kennedy
- Ben Keays
- Keiran Collins
- Jacob Hopper
- Harry McKay
- Eric Hipwood
- Rhys Mathieson
- Callum Ah Chee
- Harley Balic
- Riley Bonner
- Mitchell Hibberd
- Darcy Tucker
- Sam Weideman
- Tom Cole
- James Parsons
- Harrison Himmelberg
- Stephen Tahana
- Sam Skinner
- Jesse Glass-McCasker
I wouldn't be too scared off, Skippos took him for AdelaideLove that you rate Curnow so high. Hibberd too. Everything I've read about Kennedy and Keays makes them seem too inside for us, without the silky outside skills I'm thinking we need. And I've been scared off Weiderman by a phantom drafter comparing him to Liam Jones.
Oh yeah, no Burton, didn't notice. Just the broken leg or don't rate him?I wouldn't be too scared off, Skippos took him for Adelaide
so he can't rate him too poorly; I did intentionally leave out Burton as well & Glass-McCasker is one that I have rated for a while
Maybe I'm too swayed towards the hopeful by the risk on Stringer paying off.Just a horrible break. I don't think anyone will take a risk with him first round though everyone will be checking to see if he can come back 100% from it.
I rate Burton, Stringer played in his draft year thoughOh yeah, no Burton, didn't notice. Just the broken leg or don't rate him?
And what's G-McC like?
What pick would you risk on Burton then, do you think?I rate Burton, Stringer played in his draft year though
Burton did not, so it makes judging how much he might have improved compared to last year impossible
& I believe if Lever can slide like he did then so could better, probably sounds like silly logic
but that is just my opinion
G-McC is a Skinny KPD that uses the ball well, sticks to his task, doesn't get much of the ball, reads the flight of the ball beautifully
but his currently skinny body gets him bumped out of the drop zone of the ball & I think that he averaged about 2-3 contested marks per game in the Champs & there is just something there that I like
Good point and I do agree that the stat is less meaningful for non-mids (and in hindsight my post probably shouldn't have been so centred around it). That assessment is still beneficial to Bonner though who plays predominantly off half back (and that's where I'd want him to play at the top level as well, with short stints off a wing if he can add that to his game).With respect, the UP vs CP ratio is only irrelevant for guys who don't play through the midfield - Murph & Birchall generally play behind the ball and not through contested pack situations. Outside of this sort of player I believe the UP:CP ratios does make sense to note.
Toumpas & Cale Morton in particular were gun juniors with high UP % figures who just couldn't translate anything like their junior dominance to the big stage.
Ball winning ability if combined with better than average disposal can be devastating - Ollie Wines is an obvious example, while we tend to forget Libba scored 3rd in the kicking test at draft camp and is actually a brilliant kick on his left if given any space.
Look at Caleb Daniel - predominately an inside mid junior and SANFL yet performed well to start his career as an outside forward linking type.
I rate Burton, Stringer played in his draft year though
Burton did not, so it makes judging how much he might have improved compared to last year impossible
& I believe if Lever can slide like he did then so could better, probably sounds like silly logic
but that is just my opinion
G-McC is a Skinny KPD that uses the ball well, sticks to his task, doesn't get much of the ball, reads the flight of the ball beautifully
but his currently skinny body gets him bumped out of the drop zone of the ball & I think that he averaged about 2-3 contested marks per game in the Champs & there is just something there that I like
I definitely think that he could add a lot more muscle to that frame thoughMcCasker is a terrible kick and more physically developed than you're giving him credit for.