2017 trade/draft thread

[AsterixTheGaul]

Kreuger is very much the modern day tall as he plays equally well at either end of the ground.
Love his attack at the contest and his preparedness to take the game on, the kid doesn't mind the physicality of the game, which is another aspect of his game that I like. Lovely long left foot on him and he displays the speed and agility that attract attention from recruiters as it gives the added flexability to play on tall's and smalls. Very sticky hands and reliable in the air doesn't get out marked very often.

I would think he would be a name that is in the conversation for a tall with one of our second rounders, he is a hard to peg his draft range .
Could be a second rounder but could also slide to the third.

Talls that should be in our conversation for a second rounder are : assuming Naughton and Brander are gone.

Ballenden ( Lions Academy kid ) that we could bid on at 21. One of my favourite tall's in this years draft, so much up side IMO.
Kreuger.
Balta.
Allen.
Taylor.
Coleman -Jones.
Clavarino.

I also see good value tall's later in the draft:

Miller. .... this kid is a rapid riser and I would not be shocked if the Subiaco lad ( Originally from Kalgoorlie ) made his way into the second round.
McLean.
De Koning.

I thought Miller had a good carnival. He was listed at 196 cm earlier this year - will be interested to see his current height as the boys normally add a bit during the draft year. He tested well at the combine and would be happy to take him at 37.

We have traditionally banked a tall and Taylor is a full back that I rate. I liked the way he and Naughton worked together in the carnival. Naughton was CHB and had a greater licence to attack from there while Taylor still had some decent runs out of defence.

De Koning is more like power forward and if he was there at our pick 69, he is worth considering. He is 200 cm so taller and hence may well need patience as he develops into his body.

 

[Winnie03]

Just listening to Ah Chee on 6pr. Impressive !


On iPhone using BigFooty.com mobile app

Any chance of loading it up on here mate?

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

What's his story. Saw he's done acls last two years? Was it same knee? Where's he projected to go?

Bonar only did one ACL. There is a podcast on AFL.com Road to the Draft that covered that. The original ACL was not perfect post procedure so they went back and did a fine tune. It appears that he is fine now.

Where he goes is probably one of the biggest questions. I think he will be taken late teens and may even slide to 30. So he could well be in for picks that we are holding. Not sure if we have interviewed him but he is seen as a high end talent. With multiple picks, he offers a lot as a higher risk reward.

 

[Doashuey]

So in the depths of my insomnia ive found a potential gem trawling youtube i havent heard? Maybe its delirium but he slipped past me Zac Bailey, num 12 first vid 21 in second

I like!
Speed and sidestep are wonderful. Reads the ball off the tap and pack really well and has great hands at ground level- clean pickups at speed. Fairly ranking boot on a long shot but does fluff a few of the shorter passes. Good vision with the handballs out of congestion and doesnt look to tackle a lot but when he does he sticks them.
Great potential at second round pick I reckon. Looks a bit like Cuz in his young days the way he moves.

 

[Falco]

I thought Miller had a good carnival. He was listed at 196 cm earlier this year - will be interested to see his current height as the boys normally add a bit during the draft year. He tested well at the combine and would be happy to take him at 37.

We have traditionally banked a tall and Taylor is a full back that I rate. I liked the way he and Naughton worked together in the carnival. Naughton was CHB and had a greater licence to attack from there while Taylor still had some decent runs out of defence.

De Koning is more like power forward and if he was there at our pick 69, he is worth considering. He is 200 cm so taller and hence may well need patience as he develops into his body.

Miller and Taylor would be great as a KPD and KPF/ruck players to be developed over the next couple of years. But they should be our last two picks if available. The first two should be mids, then a small midfielder/forward. But if there are sliders then you'd have to consider them too. I would like us to go deeper to pick 69 giving us 6 picks.

 

[new breed]

NicNat is having knee problems ..had minor meniscus operation on reconstructed knee in the last month .

Haggers reckons could be a degenerative knee .

I think we need another ruckman come draft time , not that I should listen to Haggers but all the same I have zero faith in either NicNat or Lycett being available throughout the year , even Spencer as a delisted FA might be an okay idea also Scott Jones would be handy also if is over injury concerns .

I think the other chance might be Ben Miller through the draft or Sam Hayes .

 

[Eaglemaniac]

Mitchell is going to be a first year assistant. He has zero runs on the board in the coaching department and will not get to make the final call on anything. He will have his hands full learning the craft of coaching, which requires a totally different skill set from playing.

A leader of men is a leader of men, and make no mistake, Mitch is a leader of men..

 

[former lurker]

This kid looks the goods...

Underrated. Pity about the injuries. Seems like a great bloke.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

The meltdown out Cockburn way would be bigger than Chernobyl if this was to happen, but it won't.

They love their mids down that way and will go for two genuine mids, with the only downside being they will both be Vics (please recruit a couple of Balics).

Naughton will be available at our first, but with no first next year, we need to go for a midfielder which I have no doubt we will.

With nothing to base my opinion on, I don't think he will be, sounds like the type of player Adelaide will grab with 12 and he'll be another great center half back on their production line. Who will end up leaving in a few years, like Bock, Davis and Lever. Good times

 

[former lurker]

It's just an opinion or an alternative way of looking at things than the way you are looking at them. No need to insult people for having a different opinion.

And wouldn't this board be boring to read for any of us if the only people posting on here all had the exact same opinon as we have?

Oh this board has its share of sycophants.

 

[Monocle]

What's his story. Saw he's done acls last two years? Was it same knee? Where's he projected to go?

Note quite correct :

He has had two surgeries on his knee. The knee required a second tidy up after the first as the surgery did not go 100 % , it sometimes happens.
He DID NOT blow his knee twice.
He has rebounded from the set back in stunning style and his impressive results at the Combine in all facets should dismiss any reservations about his recovery.
Quality player and one that will garner a lot of early interest, its going to be fascinating to see which Club pulls the trigger first.
He could very well be this years, Selwood or Burton who both slid somewhat due to injury concerns.

 

[ziad]

Note quite correct :

He has had two surgeries on his knee. The knee required a second tidy up after the first as the surgery did not go 100 % , it sometimes happens.
He DID NOT blow his knee twice.
He has rebounded from the set back in stunning style and his impressive results at the Combine in all facets should dismiss any reservations about his recovery.
Quality player and one that will garner a lot of early interest, its going to be fascinating to see which Club pulls the trigger first.
He could very well be this years, Selwood or Burton who both slid somewhat due to injury concerns.

We have already taken too many risks during the trade period. Last time we blew a high pick on a bloke with a dud shoulder, well look how that turned out!

 

[Obeanie1]

Kreuger is very much the modern day tall as he plays equally well at either end of the ground.
Love his attack at the contest and his preparedness to take the game on, the kid doesn't mind the physicality of the game, which is another aspect of his game that I like. Lovely long left foot on him and he displays the speed and agility that attract attention from recruiters as it gives the added flexability to play on tall's and smalls. Very sticky hands and reliable in the air doesn't get out marked very often.

I would think he would be a name that is in the conversation for a tall with one of our second rounders, he is a hard to peg his draft range .
Could be a second rounder but could also slide to the third.

Talls that should be in our conversation for a second rounder are : assuming Naughton and Brander are gone.

Ballenden ( Lions Academy kid ) that we could bid on at 21. One of my favourite tall's in this years draft, so much up side IMO.
Kreuger.
Balta.
Allen.
Taylor.
Coleman -Jones.
Clavarino.

I also see good value tall's later in the draft:

Miller. .... this kid is a rapid riser and I would not be shocked if the Subiaco lad ( Originally from Kalgoorlie ) made his way into the second round.
McLean.
De Koning.

We should bid on Ballenen with 13 if someone else hasnt. Was put into pick 1 discussions a while ago but surprise, surprise he was moved aroubd into defense and played a bit of ruck Im sure at the instruction from the Lions being an academy player.

If we landed him with 13 thats our 2nd ruck and Kennedy replacement covered. But the Lions will match that bid so forcing them to use one of rheir picks before our 21. No way they should land him for a late 2nd.

Id be happy to use 32 or 37 on a tall. Miller looks like a nice choice or one of those two 200cm ruck / forwards.

 

[kane249]

Yep, 2 x ACL.

Equalled the standing vertical leap record at the combine, 2nd in 20m sprint, one of the top in agility. 190cm, 89kg.

Huge potential, reckon he'd be top 5 this year if it wasn't for the injury cloud

Sounds a lot like one Tom Swift...

 

[Monocle]

We should bid on Ballenen with 13 if someone else hasnt. Was put into pick 1 discussions a while ago but surprise, surprise he was moved aroubd into defense and played a bit of ruck Im sure at the instruction from the Lions being an academy player.

If we landed him with 13 thats our 2nd ruck and Kennedy replacement covered. But the Lions will match that bid so forcing them to use one of rheir picks before our 21. No way they should land him for a late 2nd.

Id be happy to use 32 or 37 on a tall. Miller looks like a nice choice or one of those two 200cm ruck / forwards.

I think it was a very strategic move of Brisbane to do a pick swap with Richmond to swap their picks 20 and 25 with Richmonds pick 15 , thus hoping to get another good player before they needed to match a Ballenden bid. Lets see if it works as they coughed up two picks to trade down.

 

[The Falcon Strike]

Anyone have an idea when 2018 fixture is released ?

 

[DanWCE]

Far out guys, if I'm going to sit up all night watching videos of teens with good ball handling skills you can bet the website starts with "you" but doesn't end with "tube"

 

[Xsess]

I’m doing the same. Found a lad from SA, Nathan Kreuger, 196cm utility, others may know about him but I’ve only just been able to start looking at this years draft group over the past week, so I don’t know anything about him. Not sure if he’s best as a swingman or if he’s best suited being one of a forward or defender, starts at the centre bounces at times too. athletic, quick, reminds me a bit of JK when he pushes up the ground. Monocle anything you can share? I’ve only seen two fairly short highlight videos of him, but from what I’ve seen, if the plan is to take a tall with one of our second rounders I wouldn’t be against picking this lad up.


And I’m glad you posted this about Bailey, because I heard his name called out a few times in some videos but didn’t know a first name and hadn’t seen any of his videos linked. Looks a nice player. His burst of speed and side step is great, doesn’t mind hitting bodies and tackling either and seems a solid mark. Disposal doesn’t look fantastic though. Found a small write up on him on Draft Central which you may have also found. If not I’ve posted it below.
Zac Bailey
Inside Midfielder (Southern Districts/Allies)
23/09/1999 | 181.0cm | 81.1kg
Previous ranking: #27
Scouting notes: Has a great burst of speed and he isn’t afraid to collect the ball and burst out of a stoppage getting distance on himself from his opponents. The right footer is usually a clean kick but can have the odd poor game by foot. Wins the contested ball and tackles well.
Last month: Bailey showed his ability to run both ways in the NAB AFL Under 18 All Stars game on Grand Final day, with 18 disposals, four marks, three rebound 50s, two inside 50s and two clearances. Bailey used his burst in the midfield and spread well from the contests. At the NAB AFL Draft Combine, Bailey’s elite speed was obvious, scoring 2.98s in the 20m sprint event.



That is correct.

Isn't he the son of the rape born bastard son of 100 criminally insane loons?

We'll never sleep at night.

 

[Eaglemaniac]

looked at some of starcevich's highlights, he looks a player. strong in the core. do want.

We have to grab him, he's gonna be good imo. I'll be very disappointed if we dont.

 

[TazHawk15]

Anyone have an idea when 2018 fixture is released ?

As soon as Danger,Duckwood and Ablett Jnr tell them.

 

[dajesmac]

Anyone have an idea when 2018 fixture is released ?

Not sure but usually it's one of the last days in October I seem to remember.

 

[Feeling Groovy]

When the only reason that the club states for doing this is the number of vacancies on the list due primarily to retirements what i hear is a club in denial. Our list is declining rather than appreciating in potential. When you are out of a flag window and your list is declining that is called a time for a rebuild. But the people running the club don't want to face the reality of where we are. Instead they pull stupid moves at the trade table to give themselves a chance to be a hero at the draft table and thereby avoid the unpleasant reality.

To me they remind me a gambler at the casino who is busy withdrawing 2k from the ATM so he can keep gambling untill he gets back the 1k he has already lost and get back to square so he doesn't have to wake up in the morning and look in the mirror and realise he just lost his weeks pay cheque.

Sorry, but I completely disagree with this. They are rebuilding and rather than doing it slowly bit by bit with a couple of average picks each year as we consistently sit mid table, they have taken the punt to go pretty hard in this draft with 5 earlyish (or earlier) picks. This is a clear re-build strategy.

 

[frenchconnection]

is it just me, or as butler looked the same age since debut to retirement?

It must be all that special cream he is using. Seriously though he has aged well.

 

[dajesmac]

Sorry, but I completely disagree with this. They are rebuilding and rather than doing it slowly bit by bit with a couple of average picks each year as we consistently sit mid table, they have taken the punt to go pretty hard in this draft with 5 earlyish (or earlier) picks. This is a clear re-build strategy.

This is the first time we've had 5 picks in the top 40 since 2007. In other words, since the start of our last rebuild.

 

[dajesmac]

Shall we start a new thread? I think it's time.