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. Also gets quality kids in now, which they need.
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. Also gets quality kids in now, which they need.
I would bet 15th. You are under valuing the risk still with Adelaide with swap of F1s.It’s possible we would rise yes, but if you were betting your house on what ladder position WCE finish in next year what’s your bet? That’s all you can go on when trading future picks. Suggesting your risk should be zero isn’t realistic.
10 with future 1sts swapped is about right,
I agree if we thought we could get up into next years top 3-5, then losing a good 1st this year and risking next years to do it would be worth tryingI think you’ll find that the Crows are very keen to get as high up the draft as they can next year and I suspect you’ll play less to do it this year than you will next year. I don’t think it will be a trade where either club is looking to screw the other, I think it might just suit mutual interests.
eaglevision and WC board are advocating for us also losing 14 and 20.I agree if we thought we could get up into next years top 3-5, then losing a good 1st this year and risking next years to do it would be worth trying
Too much. I would do 20 + melbourne 2nd for their 23 and f2 as a stand alone deal
Cook got 1 game this year and played well, that’s very disheartening for a bloke to not get the chance to back it up the next week.Cook does have some special traits but that’s not the reason he isn’t being played
Cool isn’t being played because he isn’t consistent enough even in the things he does well
The club has played him Wing, HF and as a running HB to try and get him to be more consistent with his weapons, and he has struggled for consistency
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10 with future 1sts swapped is about right,
If all of those things happen, then West Coast still end up with a pick anywhere from pick 1 to 4. Some media pundits have us as a potential top 4 team next year (at least as likely as Weagles finishing 15th). So our pick will be anywhere from pick 9 to pick 15.What if Hawthorn have a crap year, Richmond self destruct and North stay rubbish?
West Coast could end up with pick 5, not pick 1. And we might be pick 8 or so, so we've given away three firsts for a tiny upgrade and a second round pick.
We're not finished rebuilding yet and we can't start treating picks like we're Gold Coast.
WC also don't do the deal if its not pick 10.This is a possible deal if our preferred players are gone at 10, but even then I'd prefer 14 and future firsts, much better to get our best player this year first then do a deal.
Pick 1 (2024) - 3000
for
pick 14 - 1161
pick 12 (2024) - 1268
the difference is pick 33
If the F1st slid to pick 2 the difference is just pick 66
If F1st slid to pick 3 the points are in favour of West Coast.
I know it's not all about points, but it seems evenly placed, we may need to sweeten with pick 20 sliding back to 23 this year (pick 38 in our favour).
He does, great example thank youPaul seedsman ring a bell ? Or did he play something else ?
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Except that WCE pick 4 gets blown out with Brisbane father-sons, with possible compo picks and who knows what else.If all of those things happen, then West Coast still end up with a pick anywhere from pick 1 to 4. Some media pundits have us as a potential top 4 team next year (at least as likely as Weagles finishing 15th). So our pick will be anywhere from pick 9 to pick 15.
A top 5 pick is more than four times more likely to produce an all australian than any pick from 11 to 30 (based on last 5 years). We give up three of those 11 to 30 picks and get one back.
We haven't finished our rebuild yet, but we are a lot further in than them and have a lot better young (below 24) depth. One top end mid is worth more to us than two pretty good footballers. They need to build a base of pretty good footballers.
Except he must have known how to use him, as Seedsman played the best football of his career under Nicks?He does, great example thank you
Only played half the games in Nicks' first season. Didn't know how to use him at all
And he was comfortably our best wingman at the time
Illustrates the point perfectly
exactly, played career best football under Nicks so its a funny argumentExcept he must have known how to use him, as Seedsman played the best football of his career under Nicks?
That's what you think of Leake, is it?It's gonna be a shame when all these other clubs get some exciting players like Reid, Watson, Duursma, all the GC academy kids, Curtin, Sanders... Then its our turn and we draft some vanilla backman that will have the same career as someone we could have drafted in the third round. It'll be Ollie Murphy or Leake or someone equally uninspiring.
Wish we'd take a punt on someone with a higher ceiling and lower floor.
I'm sure you recall the heart-to-heart they had to have after the dire 2020 season because Seedsman's career under Nicks had flatlinedExcept he must have known how to use him, as Seedsman played the best football of his career under Nicks?
Doesn’t it depend on what pick 10 buys? If it’s a moderate talent in an underwhelming draft (which is my understanding of this years draft position) with next years draft higher overall quality stocked with elite mids, then surely relative value needs to be factored in.The other issue in this - future picks are always worth slightly less than current picks. That's true in EVERY sport where you can trade into the future.
Knowing what the pick is and what you will get - and having them a year earlier - that's worth something.
So - pick 10 is probably worth a future pick 5 to 8.
I'm not sure what else we should give on top of pick 10 to get a F1.
And if Curtin IS there, we should draft him.
Curtin won't be there. But, if he was, I would draft him and trade him to West Coast next year for a swap of firsts when we know what pick they have. Even if they don't trade, we still have a quality player.Except that WCE pick 4 gets blown out with Brisbane father-sons, with possible compo picks and who knows what else.
I'm not convinced us giving up Curtin and another top ten pick to get something that might be around pick 5 or so is worth it.
Leake doesn't excite me.Curtin won't be there. But, if he was, I would draft him and trade him to West Coast next year for a swap of firsts when we know what pick they have. Even if they don't trade, we still have a quality player.
But Curtin won't be there. It will be Wilson, Windsor or Leake and a teens pick.
I'd much rather the chance to have the next Rozee (but up to 4 picks better) than the next Chayce (but hopefully better) and Ned right now.
West Coast are in all sort of trouble with their list. They are a lock for pick 1 or 2 next year. I can't see us going backwards next year either. I know nothing is guaranteed of course, but it's a risk vs reward call that I think is weighted in our favour. If we want to find that generational mid this could be the pathway to do it.Except that WCE pick 4 gets blown out with Brisbane father-sons, with possible compo picks and who knows what else.
I'm not convinced us giving up Curtin and another top ten pick to get something that might be around pick 5 or so is worth it.
Listening to that Reid interview on Sensible Crow, he mentioned that we have tracked Burgess since his draft year, even though it obviously then took some time until he was picked up by Gold Coast in his early 20s. Relationships with these players is very important.Exactly
SA clubs would interview any SA kids they rate even if they no intention of picking them at the picks we have as it’s important for future relationships
As soon as they are drafted interstate they will be tracked , all the way until they are ultimately delisted