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Going to put it out there for comment

IF it gets to our pick and Wilson is gone and its next cab off the rank - do we look at Leak if he has not 'bolted' to Melbourne, Geelong or GWS picks ahead of us, ahead of Windsor DeMattia etc?

Does he project to a guy that could play Midfield and at a high level?

 
WaynesWorld19 said:
But why ? .....I mean in any year, you're likely to get a good pick in the mid-20's .....why so dismissive of the pick as if it's a 50's pick ?
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I would use them, I just suspect that with list spots as they are, we will trade one out and into next years draft.
Just a hunch.
 
I think it was mentioned on gettable yesterday, that Adelaide should bid on Luke McCabe at pick 14. It would give Hawthorn something to think about, I wondered what others thought of the idea.
 

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Mutineer said:
Great article on a great lad...think hell surprise some of his detractors big time'down the track with his bullocking hardness and excellent all round football skillset.

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Rebel with a cause: Powerful mid makes most of ACL heartbreak

George Stevens had a stellar finish to his underage career after suffering a devastating knee injury last year
www.afl.com.au www.afl.com.au
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I really like this kid, given time in an AFL program he will be a weapon. There's a lot of talk this draft is shallow, however I think there's some rough diamonds in the 2nd round.
 
BigBoSS_Riot said:
Why would you label 30 and 39 as becoming 27 and 34? Yes, I get that they come in because of Gold Coast's picks being eaten, but they're being eaten in bids... for players who will push those picks back out. Realistically, there's a minimum of 5 bids coming before 30 and 39, as well as our 20 (three GCS academy, Hawthorn and WB F/S). There's a couple of other academy players floating around (SYD and GCS), both of which could come before their picks.

So if we label them correctly, taking into account both the players being bid on and the picks being eaten, it's our 25 for - at best - their 32 and 39 (and at worst, 34 and 41).

Putting that into the pick value calculator, it favours us by a bit. And if all the claims that the draft pool is quite even beyond a certain point, then that could be worth our while (providing we can delist enough players to create the list spots). If we got McAuliffe and a project ruck out of it, that'd probably be good value.
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All I meant was that - with the impact of Academy picks, 20 only moves back but those Brisbane picks move both back and then forward again.

I said that because all of the picks that Gold Coast would use for pick matching come in that stretch.

So, 20 gets the negative of being pushed back but no positives, because the picks used to match come after 20. But they all come before 39.

So, in actuality 39 is much closer to 20 than it seems.
 
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Mostyn said:
All I meant was that - with the impact of Academy picks, 20 only moves back but those Brisbane picks move both back and then forward again.

I said that because all of the picks that Gold Coast would use for pick matching come in that stretch.

So, 20 gets the negative of being pushed back but no positives, because the picks used to patch come after 20. But they all come before 39.

So, in actuality 39 is much closer to 20 than it seems.
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Mutineer said:
Neither would I but he's more an outside mid than an inside mid at this point in time though he's looked OK for the Murray Bushrangers when played on ball on occassions. He's the guy you want patrolling the wing/half forward with his speed, absolute elite endurance and agility, booming kick and a regular goalkicker.
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So is it fair to say he is a higher endurance version of Cook?


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The List Manager: Jon Ralph runs the rule over Adelaide’s current group, its future and everything in between​

Adelaide has a war chest of cash ready to help bring the last pieces of what it hopes to be a premiership puzzle to West Lakes. Here’s how the next two years could play out for the Crows.

“We wuz robbed” is no kind of summer mantra for a team striving for greatness.
Adelaide was done dirty by the AFL goal umpire in denying the Crows a finals berth in that shambles of a finish in round 23.

And yet internally Adelaide is aware that as much as it needed a period of mourning, crying over spilt milk across the summer would be the wrong play.

Adelaide had its chances in close games – a one-point loss to Collingwood, two points to Collingwood again, four points to Melbourne, six points to Brisbane, one point to Sydney.

And while the Ben Keays non-goal and a non-free kick to Jordan Dawson in one of those Pies losses stung, too often Adelaide just lacked some polish and class to close out games.

[PLAYERCARD]Ben Keays[/PLAYERCARD] and teammates celebrate the goal that wasn’t against Sydney. Picture: Mark Brake/Getty Images

Ben Keays and teammates celebrate the goal that wasn’t against Sydney. Picture: Mark Brake/Getty Images
Fair enough given the Crows were the third-youngest team for games and age for much of the year.

So for Matthew Nicks (set to secure an off-season extension) the summer is about progress – not the rear-vision mirror.

He is aware there are a batch of hugely exciting players in this team but also some list holes that must be urgently filled.

TRADE PERIOD​

Rating: 6/10

If Adelaide was a club desperate to win the flag next year the trade period would have been a dud.

But Adelaide knows exactly where it is at – steadily building, still 2-4 years from a flag window – so its moves help the club’s mission to keep accumulating talent.

Melbourne held Harrison Petty against his will but make no mistake the Crows will be waiting in 12 months.

He is desperate to come home, they are desperate to attain him.

From there, keeping Elliott Himmelberg for one final year and securing Gold Coast’s forward Burgess but repurposing him as defensive cover made sense given Petty could be at centre half back in round 1, 2025.

To secure end-of-first-round compo for Tom Doedee, who the Crows had offered a modest two-year deal, was a spectacular success.

The Crows got up the draft order to 14 – in the deal that secured Burgess – and they secured Melbourne’s future second-rounder for Shane McAdam.

So with 10, 14 and 20 the Crows can take a trio of kids or attempt to move up the draft order.

[PLAYERCARD]Matthew Nicks[/PLAYERCARD] will be plugging holes in defence to cover for the injured Nick Murray early in the year. Picture: Getty Images

Matthew Nicks will be plugging holes in defence to cover for the injured Nick Murray early in the year. Picture: Getty Images

LIST HOLES​

Adelaide finished the season in a vastly better state than it started the year, as Chayce Jones (pick 9), Wayne Milera (pick 11), Max Michalanney (pick 17), Luke Pedlar (pick 11) and Jake Soligo (pick 36) showed they are the future of this club.

Izak Rankine (36 goals) was spectacular in his first year as a Crow while Darcy Fogarty’s 34 goals in a good but not spectacular year showed the bar has been lifted.

Ditto for Josh Rachele, who still kicked 23 goals in 21 games but was overshadowed by Rankine.

Yet what Adelaide knows is that Taylor Walker (76 goals) will be 34 in April so it must develop No. 2 pick Riley Thilthorpe to play alongside Fogarty.

Right now he is a relentless hard worker who has the athletic gifts to play ruck and key forward.

But after one goal in his final six games (and 18 in 21 games) he is not yet the commanding pack mark and forward-line presence to build a team around.

Riley Thilthorpe needs to up his game to be the answer to the Crows’ forward half alongside [PLAYERCARD]Darcy Fogarty[/PLAYERCARD]. Picture: Getty Images

Riley Thilthorpe needs to up his game to be the answer to the Crows’ forward half alongside Darcy Fogarty. Picture: Getty Images
The Crows will defend by committee.

Nick Murray (ACL) is out until mid-year, so a collection of the dependable Jordon Butts, exciting Josh Worrell, rarely used Himmelberg, swingman Burgess and Irishman Mark Keane will have to fill the key posts.

The half back line is more exciting – dasher Milera, rock-solid Michalanney, veteran Brodie Smith, rebounder Mitch Hinge can mix defence and attack after putting together two excellent years.

But rivals will see Adelaide’s defence as gettable until proven otherwise.

Likewise the Crows midfield lacks one absolute A-grader, as much as captain Jordan Dawson became a fully fledged elite talent, Soligo and Pedlar stepped up and Matt Crouch emerged as a late-season revelation.

The open question Adelaide is already considering – can Rankine be as damaging as Shai Bolton playing a 60-40 midfield-forward split as a game-breaking mid-forward?

DRAFT STRATEGY​

The Crows have their eyes on Geelong and Essendon’s early picks, hoping to rise even further up the draft order.

Adelaide has already been linked to the elite running Murray Bushranger Darcy Wilson, 200cm Sandringham Dragons defender Ollie Murphy and 194cm defender Arie Schoenmaker.

Murphy would be a perfect fit given the Crows need multiple key backs rather than waiting for Petty as their saviour.

Given Shane McAdam is gone and free agent Himmelberg will get to the Giants as a free agent next year, a key forward in the draft wouldn’t go astray either.

But the Crows are backing in their defensive talls so a key forward is a more pressing priority.

WHO’S UNDER THE PUMP​

Key talls take time.

Heaven forbid, but if Taylor Walker went down with a season-ending knee injury would either Fogarty or Thilthorpe be ready to step in his absence?

Fogarty has the talent to be a 50-goal forward after seasons of 24, 33 and 34 goals and at 24 the time is now.

Adelaide believes Thilthorpe is on track after 46 games in three years and 18, eight and 18 goals but the fourth year is a big one.

[PLAYERCARD]Harrison Petty[/PLAYERCARD] will again be a target for the Crows. Picture: Getty Images

Harrison Petty will again be a target for the Crows. Picture: Getty Images

TRADE TARGETS FOR 2024​

Harrison Petty wants to go home and Adelaide is desperate to acquire him.

The industry price is already established – Melbourne gave up two first-rounders and a fourth-rounder for Jake Lever and got back a second and third-rounder.

The Demons could hold him until his contract expires in 2025 but would likely secure only an end-of-first-round pick as compensation if the Crows’ five-year offer at $800,000 stands.

Adelaide would be smart to consider back-up options.

Denver Grainger-Barrass, Jack Henry, Adam Tomlinson, Aliir Aliir and Josh Battle are some of the few key defenders out of contract next year so the Crows must move heaven and earth to get Petty.

PREMIERSHIP WINDOW​

Adelaide believed it was good enough to win the flag if it made finals last season but did have one of the top three youngest lists in the game in 2023.

So Matthew Nicks will talk tough about finals being a minimum next year, in reality aware the actual list demographic means the window will open in 2-3 years when Pedlar, Michalanney and co have 50 games under their belt.

CAP SPACE FOR 2025​

The stars are well-paid but not ridiculously so – Jordan Dawson and Izak Rankine were both acquired for excellent but not crazy money.

Taylor Walker and Rory Sloane are paid well less than at their peak, so there is a war chest of cash.

It’s why the Crows had space to front-end $1.2 million of the Harry Petty deal. They will front-end other contracts instead and save for the next bid and increased contracts in coming years for the young guns.

[PLAYERCARD]Mitchell Hinge[/PLAYERCARD] could be set for a big year. Picture: Michael Klein

Mitchell Hinge could be set for a big year. Picture: Michael Klein

AFL PLAYER RATINGS IN 2023 AND A 2024 BOLTER​

PLAYERS WHO MADE THE TOP 100 IN THE AFL PLAYER RANKINGS IN 2023 AND A 2024 BOLTER

Jordan Dawson (22nd), Taylor Walker (28th), Reilly O’Brien (57th) and Izak Rankine (67th). Ben Keays was 102nd.

Can Mitch Hinge (151st) become the club’s 2024 breakout star?

TRADE BAIT​

Elliot Himmelberg is keen to reunite with brother Harry at GWS, while Ben Keays is a free agent and Taylor Walker and Rory Sloane will hope to extend careers into 2025 form and injury-willing.

Hinge, Pedlar, Ned McHenry and Lachie Scholl are out of contract at the end of next year so the Crows will be keen to tuck away the first pair given their bright futures.

ADELAIDE CRYSTAL BALL​

2024 FINISH
9th. Will have to beat a fellow contender like Sydney, Gold Coast or Port Adelaide to one of the last spots in the eight.
2024 BEST AND FAIREST
Izak Rankine. Finished fourth in his first year as a Crow after an ave. of 1.8 goals, 1.3 score assists. 3.2 tackles. 50 goals should be the 2024 goal.
2024 LEADING GOAL KICKER
Taylor Walker. If Fogarty, Rankine and even Thilthorpe can’t push him for the title the Crows won’t go forward but after 76 goals in 2023 it’s impossible to pick anyone else.
PLAYER ON THE RISE
Mitch Hinge. Rated elite for intercepts and above average for disposals, metres gained and pressure. One to watch.
PLAYER ON THE EDGE
Rory Sloane. No player represents the heart of Adelaide more than Rory Sloane. But will the kids go past him as he is pushed out of the centre square
 
Mostyn said:
All I meant was that - with the impact of Academy picks, 20 only moves back but those Brisbane picks move both back and then forward again.

I said that because all of the picks that Gold Coast would use for pick matching come in that stretch.

So, 20 gets the negative of being pushed back but no positives, because the picks used to match come after 20. But they all come before 39.

So, in actuality 39 is much closer to 20 than it seems.
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Ok I think I actually get that haha, nice work
 

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Mutineer said:
Great article on a great lad...think hell surprise some of his detractors big time'down the track with his bullocking hardness and excellent all round football skillset.

www.afl.com.au

Rebel with a cause: Powerful mid makes most of ACL heartbreak

George Stevens had a stellar finish to his underage career after suffering a devastating knee injury last year
www.afl.com.au www.afl.com.au
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Just read his draft profile. Holy hell, 189cm and 101kg midfielder, he's a textbook man child!

To put that into perspective, he's essentially Cam Ellis-Yolman's height and peak weight, as a 17 year old draft prospect
 
Crow till I die said:
central.rookieme.com

2023 AFL Draft Preview: Adelaide

In the first of our club-by-club draft previews, we put Adelaide under the microscope to predict how the Crows may utilise their hand.
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An under rated benefit of being an Adelaide supporter is when they do features like this, they’ll often go in alphabetic order so we’re always first.
 
CryptoCrow said:
I really like this kid, given time in an AFL program he will be a weapon. There's a lot of talk this draft is shallow, however I think there's some rough diamonds in the 2nd round.
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He'd be already picking out the 'lifestyle' farm on the Bellarine Peninsula that a cashed-up Geelong coterie member will be buying him when he returns to Victoria for 'family reasons' in 2026 and plays for the Cats for $150k a year....
 
119others said:

The List Manager: Jon Ralph runs the rule over Adelaide’s current group, its future and everything in between​

Adelaide has a war chest of cash ready to help bring the last pieces of what it hopes to be a premiership puzzle to West Lakes. Here’s how the next two years could play out for the Crows.

“We wuz robbed” is no kind of summer mantra for a team striving for greatness.
Adelaide was done dirty by the AFL goal umpire in denying the Crows a finals berth in that shambles of a finish in round 23.

And yet internally Adelaide is aware that as much as it needed a period of mourning, crying over spilt milk across the summer would be the wrong play.

Adelaide had its chances in close games – a one-point loss to Collingwood, two points to Collingwood again, four points to Melbourne, six points to Brisbane, one point to Sydney.

And while the Ben Keays non-goal and a non-free kick to Jordan Dawson in one of those Pies losses stung, too often Adelaide just lacked some polish and class to close out games.

Ben Keays and teammates celebrate the goal that wasn’t against Sydney. Picture: Mark Brake/Getty Images

Ben Keays and teammates celebrate the goal that wasn’t against Sydney. Picture: Mark Brake/Getty Images
Fair enough given the Crows were the third-youngest team for games and age for much of the year.

So for Matthew Nicks (set to secure an off-season extension) the summer is about progress – not the rear-vision mirror.

He is aware there are a batch of hugely exciting players in this team but also some list holes that must be urgently filled.

TRADE PERIOD​

Rating: 6/10

If Adelaide was a club desperate to win the flag next year the trade period would have been a dud.

But Adelaide knows exactly where it is at – steadily building, still 2-4 years from a flag window – so its moves help the club’s mission to keep accumulating talent.

Melbourne held Harrison Petty against his will but make no mistake the Crows will be waiting in 12 months.

He is desperate to come home, they are desperate to attain him.

From there, keeping Elliott Himmelberg for one final year and securing Gold Coast’s forward Burgess but repurposing him as defensive cover made sense given Petty could be at centre half back in round 1, 2025.

To secure end-of-first-round compo for Tom Doedee, who the Crows had offered a modest two-year deal, was a spectacular success.

The Crows got up the draft order to 14 – in the deal that secured Burgess – and they secured Melbourne’s future second-rounder for Shane McAdam.

So with 10, 14 and 20 the Crows can take a trio of kids or attempt to move up the draft order.

Matthew Nicks will be plugging holes in defence to cover for the injured Nick Murray early in the year. Picture: Getty Images

Matthew Nicks will be plugging holes in defence to cover for the injured Nick Murray early in the year. Picture: Getty Images

LIST HOLES​

Adelaide finished the season in a vastly better state than it started the year, as Chayce Jones (pick 9), Wayne Milera (pick 11), Max Michalanney (pick 17), Luke Pedlar (pick 11) and Jake Soligo (pick 36) showed they are the future of this club.

Izak Rankine (36 goals) was spectacular in his first year as a Crow while Darcy Fogarty’s 34 goals in a good but not spectacular year showed the bar has been lifted.

Ditto for Josh Rachele, who still kicked 23 goals in 21 games but was overshadowed by Rankine.

Yet what Adelaide knows is that Taylor Walker (76 goals) will be 34 in April so it must develop No. 2 pick Riley Thilthorpe to play alongside Fogarty.

Right now he is a relentless hard worker who has the athletic gifts to play ruck and key forward.

But after one goal in his final six games (and 18 in 21 games) he is not yet the commanding pack mark and forward-line presence to build a team around.

Riley Thilthorpe needs to up his game to be the answer to the Crows’ forward half alongside Darcy Fogarty. Picture: Getty Images

Riley Thilthorpe needs to up his game to be the answer to the Crows’ forward half alongside Darcy Fogarty. Picture: Getty Images
The Crows will defend by committee.

Nick Murray (ACL) is out until mid-year, so a collection of the dependable Jordon Butts, exciting Josh Worrell, rarely used Himmelberg, swingman Burgess and Irishman Mark Keane will have to fill the key posts.

The half back line is more exciting – dasher Milera, rock-solid Michalanney, veteran Brodie Smith, rebounder Mitch Hinge can mix defence and attack after putting together two excellent years.

But rivals will see Adelaide’s defence as gettable until proven otherwise.

Likewise the Crows midfield lacks one absolute A-grader, as much as captain Jordan Dawson became a fully fledged elite talent, Soligo and Pedlar stepped up and Matt Crouch emerged as a late-season revelation.

The open question Adelaide is already considering – can Rankine be as damaging as Shai Bolton playing a 60-40 midfield-forward split as a game-breaking mid-forward?

DRAFT STRATEGY​

The Crows have their eyes on Geelong and Essendon’s early picks, hoping to rise even further up the draft order.

Adelaide has already been linked to the elite running Murray Bushranger Darcy Wilson, 200cm Sandringham Dragons defender Ollie Murphy and 194cm defender Arie Schoenmaker.

Murphy would be a perfect fit given the Crows need multiple key backs rather than waiting for Petty as their saviour.

Given Shane McAdam is gone and free agent Himmelberg will get to the Giants as a free agent next year, a key forward in the draft wouldn’t go astray either.

But the Crows are backing in their defensive talls so a key forward is a more pressing priority.

WHO’S UNDER THE PUMP​

Key talls take time.

Heaven forbid, but if Taylor Walker went down with a season-ending knee injury would either Fogarty or Thilthorpe be ready to step in his absence?

Fogarty has the talent to be a 50-goal forward after seasons of 24, 33 and 34 goals and at 24 the time is now.

Adelaide believes Thilthorpe is on track after 46 games in three years and 18, eight and 18 goals but the fourth year is a big one.

Harrison Petty will again be a target for the Crows. Picture: Getty Images

Harrison Petty will again be a target for the Crows. Picture: Getty Images

TRADE TARGETS FOR 2024​

Harrison Petty wants to go home and Adelaide is desperate to acquire him.

The industry price is already established – Melbourne gave up two first-rounders and a fourth-rounder for Jake Lever and got back a second and third-rounder.

The Demons could hold him until his contract expires in 2025 but would likely secure only an end-of-first-round pick as compensation if the Crows’ five-year offer at $800,000 stands.

Adelaide would be smart to consider back-up options.

Denver Grainger-Barrass, Jack Henry, Adam Tomlinson, Aliir Aliir and Josh Battle are some of the few key defenders out of contract next year so the Crows must move heaven and earth to get Petty.

PREMIERSHIP WINDOW​

Adelaide believed it was good enough to win the flag if it made finals last season but did have one of the top three youngest lists in the game in 2023.

So Matthew Nicks will talk tough about finals being a minimum next year, in reality aware the actual list demographic means the window will open in 2-3 years when Pedlar, Michalanney and co have 50 games under their belt.

CAP SPACE FOR 2025​

The stars are well-paid but not ridiculously so – Jordan Dawson and Izak Rankine were both acquired for excellent but not crazy money.

Taylor Walker and Rory Sloane are paid well less than at their peak, so there is a war chest of cash.

It’s why the Crows had space to front-end $1.2 million of the Harry Petty deal. They will front-end other contracts instead and save for the next bid and increased contracts in coming years for the young guns.

Mitchell Hinge could be set for a big year. Picture: Michael Klein

Mitchell Hinge could be set for a big year. Picture: Michael Klein

AFL PLAYER RATINGS IN 2023 AND A 2024 BOLTER​

PLAYERS WHO MADE THE TOP 100 IN THE AFL PLAYER RANKINGS IN 2023 AND A 2024 BOLTER

Jordan Dawson (22nd), Taylor Walker (28th), Reilly O’Brien (57th) and Izak Rankine (67th). Ben Keays was 102nd.

Can Mitch Hinge (151st) become the club’s 2024 breakout star?

TRADE BAIT​

Elliot Himmelberg is keen to reunite with brother Harry at GWS, while Ben Keays is a free agent and Taylor Walker and Rory Sloane will hope to extend careers into 2025 form and injury-willing.

Hinge, Pedlar, Ned McHenry and Lachie Scholl are out of contract at the end of next year so the Crows will be keen to tuck away the first pair given their bright futures.

ADELAIDE CRYSTAL BALL​

2024 FINISH
9th. Will have to beat a fellow contender like Sydney, Gold Coast or Port Adelaide to one of the last spots in the eight.
2024 BEST AND FAIREST
Izak Rankine. Finished fourth in his first year as a Crow after an ave. of 1.8 goals, 1.3 score assists. 3.2 tackles. 50 goals should be the 2024 goal.
2024 LEADING GOAL KICKER
Taylor Walker. If Fogarty, Rankine and even Thilthorpe can’t push him for the title the Crows won’t go forward but after 76 goals in 2023 it’s impossible to pick anyone else.
PLAYER ON THE RISE
Mitch Hinge. Rated elite for intercepts and above average for disposals, metres gained and pressure. One to watch.
PLAYER ON THE EDGE
Rory Sloane. No player represents the heart of Adelaide more than Rory Sloane. But will the kids go past him as he is pushed out of the centre square
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That is actually a pretty good write up for us. You can tell he has watched our games and understands where our list is at.
 
Draft Bored said:
Highlights reel better than expected.
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Yeah I honestly think having a couple of players with kicks over 55m (which Schoenmaker seems to) could help cut through a zone. Throw some cash at Lukosious and have them on each wing. Hinge and murray can give it a fair roost too.
 
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