I mean the general player archetype does
Just that I don’t rate his overall skill set nearly highly enough to take him at that pick, personally
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Just that I don’t rate his overall skill set nearly highly enough to take him at that pick, personally
Wilson ready to go? There was an article the other day saying how he'd put on 9kg but could still run all day. The unfortunate thing is that even after putting on 9kg he's still only 75kg. That doesn't scream ready to go to me.
I said ‘more’ ready to go than the other guys
Not saying he’ll play every game from year 1 of course, but if he starts in that wing/HF position he won’t find it too tough IMO
Ollie Hollands came in at 183cm and 71kgs, with an elite running capacity… played 19 games for the finals-bound Blues in his first year
Yeah 75 kg is fine. After a preseason every chance that's closer to 78 anyway.
Draft him yourself?
There’s more reality in a civil war re-enactment weekend than these threads. Where people who wouldn’t recognise these players walking past them in the street pretend to be able to dissect their prospects with a precision even professionals can’t
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If you had 9 would you trade it for 14 and 20?
Dare you to go say that on the Draft Hub board
Just make it one year contracts after third round? It shouldn’t be too difficult to sort out.
Agree that the way clubs use the rookie list currently is a joke. As a minimum rename it to a “supplementary list”.
But why have a separate list at all? If they sort the contract length out, just have one list.
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Yeah agree, although it’d make more sense to me if one year contracts were 4th round onwards (round 1-2 three years, round 3 two years)
Rookie list doesn’t mean what it used to, whatsoever
After reading AFL article I even more want Goad with our 3 rd pick with Club getting off their bums and delist one of going nowhere players to keep current picks .
Just can't believe why having one of the best collection of high picks ever why haven't already cleared enough spots to do so.
Just can't believe why having one of the best collection of high picks ever why haven't already cleared enough spots to do so.
Hi Chris, are the Crows interested in Darcy Wilson by any chance? I reckon he would be a good fit there.
Chris Cavanagh
100%. The mail on Darcy Wilson to the Crows for their first pick is growing stronger by the day. Would add some nice outside run on a wing, is a booming kick and can push forward and kick goals.
From an Adelaide perspective I like the pick of Wilson at 12, its either him or Windsor for me.I can also see the bid on McCabe but dont think Murphy. Thoughts?
Chris Cavanagh
Pretty sure it won't be Caleb Windsor for the Crows, even though he would be a good fit as well. Looks like Darcy Wilson for the first selection and they will pick a key defender with one of the next two picks after that.
Do you expect the Cats to trade down or keep their first pick? I assume they have certain targets they'd use the pick on but do you think they'll get there?
Chris Cavanagh
The Cats appear to have their sights on Nate Caddy or Darcy Wilson. Very unlikely both would be off the board by the time their pick comes around, especially given James Leake has jumped up the order as a target for Melbourne or GWS now.
Could Essendon trade pick 9 for a F1?
Chris Cavanagh
Doubtful. Bombers have said they are keen to go to the draft the next few years and bring in more talent.
Who will Melbourne Demons take at 6 and 11 (edited)
Chris Cavanagh
Mail is they are quite keen on Caleb Windor at 11 and James Leake has emerged strongly to be a potential option at pick 6
Who do you think the Giants will take with the their 2 first round picks please Chris?
Chris Cavanagh
Had them down for Daniel Curtin in the Phantom Draft, but if James Leake gets past Melbourne I don't think he gets past the Giants. Keep an eye on Charlie Edwards at that second pick - has emerged as a top-20 bolter in the second half of the season.
Why is it that Curtin continues to slide? He’s grown again and had a great season.
Chris Cavanagh
Curtin has had a very good year, but that's just the feeling at the moment - that he slides back a little within the top 10.
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He’s as ready to go as Ollie Hollands was this year who played round 1
More ready than Soligo a couple of years back who also played round 1
This time last year people were saying Michaelanny wouldn’t play afl in year 1 as he was too skinny and he didn’t play an sanfl game in the end
If Wilson doesn’t play next year it won’t be because he’s too skinny
Doesn't look like Murphy lasts to our second pick, so where are these key defenders we will be chasing?
select few picks from article where our first rounder is likely to come from
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Silenced many of his doubters and surged into top-10 calculations with a brilliant national championships for the Allies. O’Sullivan gobbled up intercept marks down back on his way to winning the maiden titlists’ MVP award. Can also swing forward if required, while his eighth placing in the two-kilometre time trial at the combine again showed his impressive running ability for someone of his size. The knock on him is that he isn’t overly quick or agile, and his form tailed off in the latter stages of the season, but he enjoyed a very good campaign.
There is a chance Windsor could be a top-10 pick after a blistering finish to the year that banished memories of his slow start, but if not, it should not be much after that. Anyone who wanted to see more from him after the championships ended – and there were a few of those – was satisfied by season’s end. Windsor has the ideal wingman profile, with an excellent mixture of speed, endurance and kicking ability. There are recruiters who are reluctant to pick a wingman so high in the draft without confidence he could develop his inside game, but others don’t share that view.
The Tasmanians are making their mark in this year’s draft crop. The hype was already building around Leake before he earned under-18 All-Australian selection but went to another level once he swung forward and illustrated he could be a match-winner down that end. He kicked 15 goals in his last five matches in the Talent League, but most recruiters still view him primarily as an intercept defender, with one likening him to Tom Doedee given their similar height and playing style. Leake’s ability to perform well as a midfielder during the finals was another tick in his versatility box.
The only reason Rogers might not be drafted this high is if his academy ties to the Suns mean he slides a bit, which several clubs think could happen. But on ability and performance, this unerringly consistent ball magnet deserves to be here and would not look out of place in the top 10. Rogers was named the AFL Academy’s best player across clashes with Carlton and Port Adelaide’s VFL sides, made the under-18 All-Australian team and had VFL exposure. A smart footballer with a team-first attitude who will be a welcome addition for Gold Coast.
The quietly spoken Wilson joins Windsor as the standout outside midfielders in the 2023 draft class, but he is slightly different because of his success in attack. Recruiters believe he could serve as a high half-forward at AFL level. Finished second in the two-kilometre time trial at the combine but his gut running and agility were well-known before that. Won a stack of the ball on a weekly basis in the Talent League and showed improvement with his contested work, leaving him as good as certain to be picked somewhere in the mid-teens.
Meet the young guns who could be on their way to your AFL club next month
This draft offers something for everyone from a positional sense, but there are fewer safe picks than most years and an expectation things could get wild from midway through the first round.
10. Connor O’Sullivan
Silenced many of his doubters and surged into top-10 calculations with a brilliant national championships for the Allies. O’Sullivan gobbled up intercept marks down back on his way to winning the maiden titlists’ MVP award. Can also swing forward if required, while his eighth placing in the two-kilometre time trial at the combine again showed his impressive running ability for someone of his size. The knock on him is that he isn’t overly quick or agile, and his form tailed off in the latter stages of the season, but he enjoyed a very good campaign.
11. Caleb Windsor
There is a chance Windsor could be a top-10 pick after a blistering finish to the year that banished memories of his slow start, but if not, it should not be much after that. Anyone who wanted to see more from him after the championships ended – and there were a few of those – was satisfied by season’s end. Windsor has the ideal wingman profile, with an excellent mixture of speed, endurance and kicking ability. There are recruiters who are reluctant to pick a wingman so high in the draft without confidence he could develop his inside game, but others don’t share that view.
12. James Leake
The Tasmanians are making their mark in this year’s draft crop. The hype was already building around Leake before he earned under-18 All-Australian selection but went to another level once he swung forward and illustrated he could be a match-winner down that end. He kicked 15 goals in his last five matches in the Talent League, but most recruiters still view him primarily as an intercept defender, with one likening him to Tom Doedee given their similar height and playing style. Leake’s ability to perform well as a midfielder during the finals was another tick in his versatility box.
13. Jake Rogers
The only reason Rogers might not be drafted this high is if his academy ties to the Suns mean he slides a bit, which several clubs think could happen. But on ability and performance, this unerringly consistent ball magnet deserves to be here and would not look out of place in the top 10. Rogers was named the AFL Academy’s best player across clashes with Carlton and Port Adelaide’s VFL sides, made the under-18 All-Australian team and had VFL exposure. A smart footballer with a team-first attitude who will be a welcome addition for Gold Coast.
14. Darcy Wilson
The quietly spoken Wilson joins Windsor as the standout outside midfielders in the 2023 draft class, but he is slightly different because of his success in attack. Recruiters believe he could serve as a high half-forward at AFL level. Finished second in the two-kilometre time trial at the combine but his gut running and agility were well-known before that. Won a stack of the ball on a weekly basis in the Talent League and showed improvement with his contested work, leaving him as good as certain to be picked somewhere in the mid-teens.
And subsequent picks
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Rival clubs believe Tholstrup could go as early as 13 but won’t make it out of the teens. Unlike most of this year’s crop, the Subiaco young gun spent most of his season playing against men, where he proved he could fulfil a defined role. Also performed strongly at the championships. Tholstrup is more proven as a forward, where his energy and effort make him highly effective, but there is intrigue about his potential as a midfielder. His larger-than-life personality comes up in any chat about him – but always as a positive.
Hardeman’s exceptional kicking skills on his powerful left boot, leadership and performance across several years make him one of the safest picks this year. He captained WA at the championships and was one of his state’s best players in a challenging campaign, including highlighting his improved intercepting prowess. Hardeman also stood up athletically at the combine. Recruiters would not be surprised if West Coast target him, dependent on what they do with the No.1 selection.
Has gone from one of the biggest risers of the year to a potential slider. Murphy is still one of the toughest players to place, given his height is coveted down back, he won Vic Metro’s MVP award and he was one of the few defenders to hold their own against Walter. The concerns range from his competitiveness to his so-so speed, as well as an underwhelming finish to the season. But with all that said, Murphy is comfortably among the best key defensive prospects and there are not expected to be many of his kind in next year’s class.
Collard is rocketing up the order and could be drafted in the mid-teens. Likened to Collingwood’s Norm Smith medallist Bobby Hill for his speed and agility – both of which he ranked highly in at the combine – and tendency to produce the spectacular, from a sky-scraping mark to a miraculous goal. Finished the WAFL Colts season with consecutive bags of five goals. There is a gulf between Collard’s best and worst, but recruiters love his upside.
Reid still has plenty to prove, but recruiters put it simply in his case: there are not many 200-centimetre-plus footballers who can move like he does. The brother of Essendon’s Zach – who was a top-10 pick three years ago – is a polarising prospect, but there are enough clubs intrigued by him that he is tipped to be grabbed in the 20s. Reid’s increased ruck exposure late in the season also enhanced his reputation, as well as answering some of the criticism about his competitiveness.
This ranking might surprise some, but may not even be high enough, with the possibility the future Sun attracts an opposition bid in the teens. Gold Coast are well-positioned to match bids on all four of their star academy graduates, but would prefer if Graham went later than this. Can play as a midfielder or at half-back and brings speed, athleticism and toughness. Many recruiters think he could step straight into AFL football next year. Has strongly hinted to scouts that he wants to remain on the Gold Coast.
Schoenmaker’s raking left boot was a weapon for every team he played for this year – he averaged six more kicks than anyone else in the Talent League – and undoubtedly will transfer to whichever AFL club takes a chance on him. In a draft that thins out quickly, that strength, plus his intercepting, should ensure the defender finds a home in the 20s. There are some questions on his contest work but others off the field, based in part on an indiscretion in a Devils training camp that cost him the chance to make an early impact in his draft season.
Everything changed for Edwards once his midfield exposure increased late in the season, coinciding with Dragons teammate Will Brown going forward more. He grabbed that opportunity with both hands to produce a withering finish, which greatly impressed recruiters looking for upside. Edwards’ height, smart decision-making, and the way he covers the ground are among his strengths, with his ability to also play forward another tick. Recruiters think his upside might be greater than others in this range.
Relatively unknown at the start of the year, Goad is suddenly emerging as a potential first-rounder. His vast improvement throughout the season and incredible speed for his size – he ran a sub-three-second 20-metre sprint at the combine – saw him pass many of his ruck peers. The former basketballer is still raw and doesn’t yet have the football nous of fellow top ruck prospects, but many recruiters believe that will come with more exposure to high-level coaching.
There will be risks taken at this stage of the draft, but recruiters know what they will get from DeMattia. The Stingrays and Vic Country co-captain is a rock-solid footballer with above-average athleticism and speed. He works hard, is versatile and has leadership in spades. Probably projects as a forward at AFL level, but some think he could end up down the other end. DeMattia also represented Australia in underage cricket as a batsman.
Meet the young guns who could be on their way to your AFL club next month
This draft offers something for everyone from a positional sense, but there are fewer safe picks than most years and an expectation things could get wild from midway through the first round.
17. Koltyn Tholstrup
Rival clubs believe Tholstrup could go as early as 13 but won’t make it out of the teens. Unlike most of this year’s crop, the Subiaco young gun spent most of his season playing against men, where he proved he could fulfil a defined role. Also performed strongly at the championships. Tholstrup is more proven as a forward, where his energy and effort make him highly effective, but there is intrigue about his potential as a midfielder. His larger-than-life personality comes up in any chat about him – but always as a positive.
18. Riley Hardeman
Hardeman’s exceptional kicking skills on his powerful left boot, leadership and performance across several years make him one of the safest picks this year. He captained WA at the championships and was one of his state’s best players in a challenging campaign, including highlighting his improved intercepting prowess. Hardeman also stood up athletically at the combine. Recruiters would not be surprised if West Coast target him, dependent on what they do with the No.1 selection.
19. Ollie Murphy
Has gone from one of the biggest risers of the year to a potential slider. Murphy is still one of the toughest players to place, given his height is coveted down back, he won Vic Metro’s MVP award and he was one of the few defenders to hold their own against Walter. The concerns range from his competitiveness to his so-so speed, as well as an underwhelming finish to the season. But with all that said, Murphy is comfortably among the best key defensive prospects and there are not expected to be many of his kind in next year’s class.
20. Lance Collard
Collard is rocketing up the order and could be drafted in the mid-teens. Likened to Collingwood’s Norm Smith medallist Bobby Hill for his speed and agility – both of which he ranked highly in at the combine – and tendency to produce the spectacular, from a sky-scraping mark to a miraculous goal. Finished the WAFL Colts season with consecutive bags of five goals. There is a gulf between Collard’s best and worst, but recruiters love his upside.
21. Archer Reid
Reid still has plenty to prove, but recruiters put it simply in his case: there are not many 200-centimetre-plus footballers who can move like he does. The brother of Essendon’s Zach – who was a top-10 pick three years ago – is a polarising prospect, but there are enough clubs intrigued by him that he is tipped to be grabbed in the 20s. Reid’s increased ruck exposure late in the season also enhanced his reputation, as well as answering some of the criticism about his competitiveness.
22. Will Graham
This ranking might surprise some, but may not even be high enough, with the possibility the future Sun attracts an opposition bid in the teens. Gold Coast are well-positioned to match bids on all four of their star academy graduates, but would prefer if Graham went later than this. Can play as a midfielder or at half-back and brings speed, athleticism and toughness. Many recruiters think he could step straight into AFL football next year. Has strongly hinted to scouts that he wants to remain on the Gold Coast.
23. Arie Schoenmaker
Schoenmaker’s raking left boot was a weapon for every team he played for this year – he averaged six more kicks than anyone else in the Talent League – and undoubtedly will transfer to whichever AFL club takes a chance on him. In a draft that thins out quickly, that strength, plus his intercepting, should ensure the defender finds a home in the 20s. There are some questions on his contest work but others off the field, based in part on an indiscretion in a Devils training camp that cost him the chance to make an early impact in his draft season.
24. Charlie Edwards
Everything changed for Edwards once his midfield exposure increased late in the season, coinciding with Dragons teammate Will Brown going forward more. He grabbed that opportunity with both hands to produce a withering finish, which greatly impressed recruiters looking for upside. Edwards’ height, smart decision-making, and the way he covers the ground are among his strengths, with his ability to also play forward another tick. Recruiters think his upside might be greater than others in this range.
25. Taylor Goad
Relatively unknown at the start of the year, Goad is suddenly emerging as a potential first-rounder. His vast improvement throughout the season and incredible speed for his size – he ran a sub-three-second 20-metre sprint at the combine – saw him pass many of his ruck peers. The former basketballer is still raw and doesn’t yet have the football nous of fellow top ruck prospects, but many recruiters believe that will come with more exposure to high-level coaching.
26. Harry DeMattia
There will be risks taken at this stage of the draft, but recruiters know what they will get from DeMattia. The Stingrays and Vic Country co-captain is a rock-solid footballer with above-average athleticism and speed. He works hard, is versatile and has leadership in spades. Probably projects as a forward at AFL level, but some think he could end up down the other end. DeMattia also represented Australia in underage cricket as a batsman.
Yes re Will Graham !And subsequent picks
Meet the young guns who could be on their way to your AFL club next month
This draft offers something for everyone from a positional sense, but there are fewer safe picks than most years and an expectation things could get wild from midway through the first round.
17. Koltyn Tholstrup
Rival clubs believe Tholstrup could go as early as 13 but won’t make it out of the teens. Unlike most of this year’s crop, the Subiaco young gun spent most of his season playing against men, where he proved he could fulfil a defined role. Also performed strongly at the championships. Tholstrup is more proven as a forward, where his energy and effort make him highly effective, but there is intrigue about his potential as a midfielder. His larger-than-life personality comes up in any chat about him – but always as a positive.
18. Riley Hardeman
Hardeman’s exceptional kicking skills on his powerful left boot, leadership and performance across several years make him one of the safest picks this year. He captained WA at the championships and was one of his state’s best players in a challenging campaign, including highlighting his improved intercepting prowess. Hardeman also stood up athletically at the combine. Recruiters would not be surprised if West Coast target him, dependent on what they do with the No.1 selection.
19. Ollie Murphy
Has gone from one of the biggest risers of the year to a potential slider. Murphy is still one of the toughest players to place, given his height is coveted down back, he won Vic Metro’s MVP award and he was one of the few defenders to hold their own against Walter. The concerns range from his competitiveness to his so-so speed, as well as an underwhelming finish to the season. But with all that said, Murphy is comfortably among the best key defensive prospects and there are not expected to be many of his kind in next year’s class.
20. Lance Collard
Collard is rocketing up the order and could be drafted in the mid-teens. Likened to Collingwood’s Norm Smith medallist Bobby Hill for his speed and agility – both of which he ranked highly in at the combine – and tendency to produce the spectacular, from a sky-scraping mark to a miraculous goal. Finished the WAFL Colts season with consecutive bags of five goals. There is a gulf between Collard’s best and worst, but recruiters love his upside.
21. Archer Reid
Reid still has plenty to prove, but recruiters put it simply in his case: there are not many 200-centimetre-plus footballers who can move like he does. The brother of Essendon’s Zach – who was a top-10 pick three years ago – is a polarising prospect, but there are enough clubs intrigued by him that he is tipped to be grabbed in the 20s. Reid’s increased ruck exposure late in the season also enhanced his reputation, as well as answering some of the criticism about his competitiveness.
22. Will Graham
This ranking might surprise some, but may not even be high enough, with the possibility the future Sun attracts an opposition bid in the teens. Gold Coast are well-positioned to match bids on all four of their star academy graduates, but would prefer if Graham went later than this. Can play as a midfielder or at half-back and brings speed, athleticism and toughness. Many recruiters think he could step straight into AFL football next year. Has strongly hinted to scouts that he wants to remain on the Gold Coast.
23. Arie Schoenmaker
Schoenmaker’s raking left boot was a weapon for every team he played for this year – he averaged six more kicks than anyone else in the Talent League – and undoubtedly will transfer to whichever AFL club takes a chance on him. In a draft that thins out quickly, that strength, plus his intercepting, should ensure the defender finds a home in the 20s. There are some questions on his contest work but others off the field, based in part on an indiscretion in a Devils training camp that cost him the chance to make an early impact in his draft season.
24. Charlie Edwards
Everything changed for Edwards once his midfield exposure increased late in the season, coinciding with Dragons teammate Will Brown going forward more. He grabbed that opportunity with both hands to produce a withering finish, which greatly impressed recruiters looking for upside. Edwards’ height, smart decision-making, and the way he covers the ground are among his strengths, with his ability to also play forward another tick. Recruiters think his upside might be greater than others in this range.
25. Taylor Goad
Relatively unknown at the start of the year, Goad is suddenly emerging as a potential first-rounder. His vast improvement throughout the season and incredible speed for his size – he ran a sub-three-second 20-metre sprint at the combine – saw him pass many of his ruck peers. The former basketballer is still raw and doesn’t yet have the football nous of fellow top ruck prospects, but many recruiters believe that will come with more exposure to high-level coaching.
26. Harry DeMattia
There will be risks taken at this stage of the draft, but recruiters know what they will get from DeMattia. The Stingrays and Vic Country co-captain is a rock-solid footballer with above-average athleticism and speed. He works hard, is versatile and has leadership in spades. Probably projects as a forward at AFL level, but some think he could end up down the other end. DeMattia also represented Australia in underage cricket as a batsman.
Will go higher than some of the Vic fancied guys that get talked up in media
I think as high as our 2nd pick ( matched by GC ) and most likely in the 1st round even though you won’t see him much in media
If we want him bad enough we’d have to bid on him with our 1st pick which is a bit early ( I still think GC matches no matter where a bid comes )
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It's personal for the Colonel this year. He's hoping to go top ten.
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In hindsight no-one wanted McAsey because he wasn't athletic ....but everyone now wants O'Sullivan ....strange logic
I suppose. If we think one of our targets for 20 will still be available at 31 (which probably comes in a bit after bid matches?) then I guess so - and more so, if we value 9+10 over 10+14. I don't pretend to know enough about the draft prospects to make a call on that.
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