2nd Test Australia v Pakistan Dec 26--30 1000hrs @ the MCG

[philreich]

Disappointed to hear that the Pakistani coach blames DRS for the loss. If the players could catch, and perhaps halve the number of sundries conceded, the third umpire's decisions would have been irrelevant.

 

[Cuzz09]

Would it be worth having Green replace Warner then we have an extra option with the ball too

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[Big Bryza]

338 Test wickets @ 27.70, SR: 48.94
236 ODI wickets @ 22.97, SR: 26.44

Anyone who doesn’t rate Starc is a ******* idiot. It’s that simple.

Yeah my goodness, Starc's SR is all time.

 

[Big Bryza]

I think most people would say that Cummins and Hazlewood were the more consistent bowlers in this test and yet Starc gets more of a wrap than Hazlewood because of some cheap wickets

I think that's what shits people about him

Which of Starc's wickets were cheap?

 

[revo333]

I generally feel the country doesn't fully appreciate the current bowling line up but in 30 years time when people look back and see Cummins, Hazlewood and Starc , people will lose their minds over how good it was.

 

[Gough]

Whenever i think of Nel i think of this:

It always felt to me when you heard him or Pollock bowling and the stump mics would pick well bowled Nelly/Polly after a ball that our batsmen were facing drag queens.

 

[Cmarsh]

Disappointed to hear that the Pakistani coach blames DRS for the loss. If the players could catch, and perhaps halve the number of sundries conceded, the third umpire's decisions would have been irrelevant.

His reactions are getting all the headlines too. Wasnt nearly as controversial as its made out to be.

 

[Soggy2112]

Not sure I understand the controversy with the Rizwan dismissal. Multiple replays, hotspot and snicko all indicate the ball hit the wristband.

 

[danstar]

you can clearly see it hit him in the arm above the wrist band, definitely not out

 

[PhatBoy]

His coach might have carried on like a twit in the presser but Shan Masood’s post match thoughts were exemplary.

He’s one Pakistan player who even without the big score to go with it has very much enhanced his stocks so far in this series. He’s proactive, he’s not tactically amazing but he does try things as a captain and he’s prepared to go for some runs and try some tactics that cost runs to get wickets, he runs hard and looks to turn the strike over and he looks to score quickly in general. I can see how even with his eye catching low average they want a player like him in charge.

His comments about the ground men were first class

 

[Soggy2112]

you can clearly see it hit him in the arm above the wrist band, definitely not out

Where is this vision?

The spike on snicko coupled with the vision makes it look like it probably flicked part of the glove. The hotspot then adds extra evidence by showing a mark. That’s pretty conclusive evidence to suggest it hit the wristband.

 

[Cuzz09]

The Cummins one evened it out and Lyons LBW that was apparently bouncing over lol sure

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[PhatBoy]

The Cummins one evened it out and Lyons LBW that was apparently bouncing over lol sure

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I don’t really have a problem with the Rizwan one, I think it brushed the wristband on the way onto his forearm - I don’t doubt that it hit his arm and he felt it so I can see why he was pissed off but it was out, it took part of the glove.

The Cummins one - I don’t think people are factoring in that the ball was coming back in off the seam from an angle but the camera is looking straight down the wicket. So that frame that shows ‘the gap between bat and ball’ is showing the ball once it has passed the bat.

The only definitive way to show whether there is a gap between bat and ball is to have a camera that lines up perfectly with the angle at which the ball cuts back in toward the batsman and unfortunately they don’t have one.

 

[Cuzz09]

Could AI eventually do DRS?

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[StillAtLarge]

It'd be hilarious if it rained all day in Melbourne, surely they could've held out til stumps

 

[SC_Power]

Where is this vision?

The spike on snicko coupled with the vision makes it look like it probably flicked part of the glove. The hotspot then adds extra evidence by showing a mark. That’s pretty conclusive evidence to suggest it hit the wristband.

Respectfully, Using the words “probably”, “pretty” and “suggest” in a sentence doesnt fill me with confidence that an umpires decision should be overturned.

This sort of debate has been the norm in world football for a decade in the use of technology and various decisions such as offside and handball. It no doubt improves some of the decision making especially where referees are unsighted, however the margins that are being reviewed and debated are so fine and subject to misinterpretation that I personally feel it is going way too far. Yesterday is an example of this IMHO.

 

[SC_Power]

Could AI eventually do DRS?

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Probably. I look forward to a future where the AI DRS tells us that it’s a 98.794% chance that the batsman is out, and because we agree we need 99% accuracy for decision, it’s not out.

 

[PhatBoy]

It’s very very easy to say this from the safety of a lounge room but I’m consistently amazed by the amount of batsmen - specialist ones - who get into a tangle with the short ball and fail to get the bat and gloves out of the vicinity of the ball.


Say what you want about Matthew Wade’s odd method a few years ago against Wagner(?), he wasn’t getting out to it. I appreciate that helmets, the declining standard of playing bouncers has played a part in this sort of thing but the lack of focus on just getting your gloves and bat away from the ball is bizarre

 

[philreich]

Good lord Plugger you are shameless

I think he's a bit nervous about the Aussies touring NZ next year - whatever they bowl us out for, I'm backing our bowlers to bowl them out for less.

 

[Howard Littlejohn]

Would it be worth having Green replace Warner then we have an extra option with the ball too

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No. It really needs to be an opener who comes in. Opening is a different mindset, and to an extent skillset, to middle or even other upper order spots.

 

[Howard Littlejohn]

It’s very very easy to say this from the safety of a lounge room but I’m consistently amazed by the amount of batsmen - specialist ones - who get into a tangle with the short ball and fail to get the bat and gloves out of the vicinity of the ball.


Say what you want about Matthew Wade’s odd method a few years ago against Wagner(?), he wasn’t getting out to it. I appreciate that helmets, the declining standard of playing bouncers has played a part in this sort of thing but the lack of focus on just getting your gloves and bat away from the ball is bizarre

From the outside it does seem quite incredible. Yes, they have bugger all time to act but these are the top tier best of the best - at least in some teams.
The equipment certainly plays a part, the first instinct seems to be to play much more often than was the case previously. I mean, other than guys like Viv or Greenidge who hooked a lot without helmets. That possibly is a big part of it, a late decision to pull out of a shot that has been begun - whereas many players would have evaded or ducked as the default in the past. It cuts the 0.5 seconds down to perhaps 0.2, not much time to stop an action and effectively take a new one.

 

[Teen Wolf]

Hmm a losing Pakistan coach carrying on like a pork chop about "our" umpires. Sounds familiar.

February 13, 2005 — 11.00am
Pakistan coach Bob Woolmer condemned the standard of umpiring in Australia, arguing that almost all the marginal decisions went against his team during its recent tour. By his reckoning, 29 doubtful decisions were made - he did not define the word "doubtful" or provide details of his analysis - of which 26 favoured the home team.

I guess it's funny this time around, given Hafeez only ground out a career in the sport due to the poor worldwide enforcement of cricket's rules (particularly that of Law 21.2).

Not so funny with poor Bob Woolmer, whose propensity to throw out unsubstantiated accusations eventually got him murdered.

 

[Jim Prideaux]

From the outside it does seem quite incredible. Yes, they have bugger all time to act but these are the top tier best of the best - at least in some teams.
The equipment certainly plays a part, the first instinct seems to be to play much more often than was the case previously. I mean, other than guys like Viv or Greenidge who hooked a lot without helmets. That possibly is a big part of it, a late decision to pull out of a shot that has been begun - whereas many players would have evaded or ducked as the default in the past. It cuts the 0.5 seconds down to perhaps 0.2, not much time to stop an action and effectively take a new one.

There’s a few things to consider with it. Yes there are some obviously poor techniques - but there were back in the day too, plenty of videos of batters looking like a lost puppy to a good bouncer back in the day - that’s why bowlers bowl them. Another thing is fitness - cricketers are generally a lot fitter these days, bowlers can bowl fast and accurately for longer, as such the bouncers bowled should continue to be harder to negotiate. Are batters wise at playing them now than previously? Hard to say in my opinion.

 

[Voice of the G]

Good test. Australia getting to have some real worries with batting. Just not impressed. Pakistan gave themselves a real chance. Really hope they can keep this side together.

Could have been interesting if this game went into a 5th day.Drizzle in the eastern suburbs of Melbourne at 10.45AM and if the same at the MCG they would not be playing at the moment.

 

[the_interloper]

Could have been interesting if this game went into a 5th day.Drizzle in the eastern suburbs of Melbourne at 10.45AM and if the same at the MCG they would not be playing at the moment.

They'd be regretting all of those extras, a bit of discipline in that area and they would have been right in it.