Delisted #36: Garrett McDonagh - Delisted, thank you for your service - 23/8

[foj1]

My problem with the pick is I don’t reckon he was on anyones radar and dodoro stated he was selected to play senior footy straight away
miles off it
at least they delisted him straight away which is in essendon like
no way he was better than Dylan Clarke

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Dylan Clarke

Age

25

Ht

187cm

Wt

87kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.9

4star

K

6.1

2star

HB

8.8

5star

M

1.9

2star

T

6.3

5star

CL

2.3

4star

No current season stats available

D

16.0

4star

K

6.8

3star

HB

9.2

5star

M

2.2

3star

T

6.6

5star

CL

3.4

5star

granted different type of player

 

[ant555]

My problem with the pick is I don’t reckon he was on anyones radar and dodoro stated he was selected to play senior footy straight away
miles off it
at least they delisted him straight away which is in essendon like
no way he was better than Dylan Clarke granted different type of player

They should not have picked Clarke either.

 

[owen87]

They should not have picked Clarke either.

Luke Ryan as a local Coburg boy was still on the board at that selection. Real missed opportunity given Ryan is the McDonagh type we drafted 5 years later.

 

[dank420_]

Heard from someone who is related to him by marriage:

He was given counselling sessions by the club. Not sure if it was due to his performance or other reasons.
Anyway, he confided some personal struggles to the club psych which were then passed on to Rutten without Garrett's knowledge. Rutten then used that info in front of the playing group. From that point on he wanted out of the club.

 

[doug85]

I really hope that’s not true

 

[andleanback]

Heard from someone who is related to him by marriage:

He was given counselling sessions by the club. Not sure if it was due to his performance or other reasons.
Anyway, he confided some personal struggles to the club psych which were then passed on to Rutten without Garrett's knowledge. Rutten then used that info in front of the playing group. From that point on he wanted out of the club.

I really hope that’s not true, that’s just not on.

 

[jmoo wan]

Heard from someone who is related to him by marriage:

He was given counselling sessions by the club. Not sure if it was due to his performance or other reasons.
Anyway, he confided some personal struggles to the club psych which were then passed on to Rutten without Garrett's knowledge. Rutten then used that info in front of the playing group. From that point on he wanted out of the club.

if the club psych was an actual psychologist and divulged patient info without consent they could be professionally ****ed. like proper ****ed, never to practice again.

that’s if the club psych was an actual psychologist of course.

 

[dank420_]

if the club psych was an actual psychologist and divulged patient info without consent they could be professionally *ed. like proper *ed, never to practice again.

that’s if the club psych was an actual psychologist of course.

No idea. A counsellor of some sort nonetheless, and not good either way.

 

[andleanback]

if the club psych was an actual psychologist and divulged patient info without consent they could be professionally *ed. like proper *ed, never to practice again.

that’s if the club psych was an actual psychologist of course.

Maybe a sport psych

 

[yodellinhank]

Heard from someone who is related to him by marriage:

He was given counselling sessions by the club. Not sure if it was due to his performance or other reasons.
Anyway, he confided some personal struggles to the club psych which were then passed on to Rutten without Garrett's knowledge. Rutten then used that info in front of the playing group. From that point on he wanted out of the club.

Well, Rutten did play for Adelaide...

 

[jmoo wan]

No idea. A counsellor of some sort nonetheless, and not good either way.

oh yeah it’s awful. also an indictment on the club for still seemingly employing pseudo-qualified quacks

 

[FlyingV]

What a disaster if a year this has been for us. Lol.

 

[ant555]

Heard from someone who is related to him by marriage:

He was given counselling sessions by the club. Not sure if it was due to his performance or other reasons.
Anyway, he confided some personal struggles to the club psych which were then passed on to Rutten without Garrett's knowledge. Rutten then used that info in front of the playing group. From that point on he wanted out of the club.

You do know that anything the club psych hears from the players is covered by doctor - patient privilege . The psych is a professional appointment.

 

[Old Campaigner]

Heard from someone who is related to him by marriage:

He was given counselling sessions by the club. Not sure if it was due to his performance or other reasons.
Anyway, he confided some personal struggles to the club psych which were then passed on to Rutten without Garrett's knowledge. Rutten then used that info in front of the playing group. From that point on he wanted out of the club.

You can take the boy out of Adelaide...

 

[ant555]

You can take the boy out of Adelaide...

But you can not take the BS out of story's from relatives.

 

[dank420_]

You do know that anything the club psych hears from the players is covered by doctor - patient privilege . The psych is a professional appointment.

Despite your experience in the game, you may not know everything.

 

[The Donners]

Despite your experience in the game, you may not know everything.

Nothing to do with the game. The psychologist would be in breach of confidentiality at common law.

 

[dank420_]

Nothing to do with the game. The psychologist would be in breach of confidentiality at common law.

What about our club has screamed “above board” as of late?

I’m not saying it definitely happened but we would be a bit naive to rule it out based on that.

We weren’t meant to take PEDs either.

 

[jmoo wan]

You do know that anything the club psych hears from the players is covered by doctor - patient privilege . The psych is a professional appointment.

Nothing to do with the game. The psychologist would be in breach of confidentiality at common law.

I think someone has already covered this above, and inferred that maybe the club hasn’t made a professional appointment with their “psychs”.

to be fair - the club has form in that regard.

also - a psychologist isn’t a doctor. Also Pyschologists don’t have patients, they have clients.

 

[boncer34]

McDonagh: "Hey Doc the pressure of being an AFL player is pushing me close to the edge, constant negative feedback is wearing me down."
Club psych to coaching staff: "Guys I'm worried about McDonagh just watch what you say."
Coaching staff: "McDonagh, you did this and this wrong on the weekend and no amount of sooking to the pysch is going to absolve you of criticism."

Not that big of a stretch and not illegal.

 

[boncer34]

I think someone has already covered this above, and inferred that maybe the club hasn’t made a professional appointment with their “psychs”.

to be fair - the club has form in that regard.

also - a psychologist isn’t a doctor. Also Pyschologists don’t have patients, they have clients.

Doctor Patient privilege is covered under psychologists I believe. But they can break it if they have genuine concerns for someone's health. Such as what I've said above.

 

[Lore]

“allied health”
From the CBA, Annexure C (p. 109)

Doctor Patient privilege is covered under psychologists I believe. But they can break it if they have genuine concerns for someone's health. Such as what I've said above.

They can break it but that’s like to call 000 for risk of immediate harm, not talking to the coach.

Sports psychology is a different specialism to mental health though. Working with healthy people to understand how their psychology affects their performance and vice versa. The risk of “immediate harm” as relates to that wouldn’t be particularly high I think, MH issues would usually be referred to a suitably specialised psych.


Reminds me, Collingwood’s board has a whole thread dedicated to their sport psych, I think they’re crediting her with their red time winning streak

 

[jmoo wan]

Doctor Patient privilege is covered under psychologists I believe. But they can break it if they have genuine concerns for someone's health. Such as what I've said above.

nah - psychologists arent doctors so doctor patient privilege is not a thing here. psychologists are bound by their professional code of ethics but you are probably thinking of the legal requirement for them to be compelled to disclose if a client is at risk of harming themselves or others, but they are only duty bound to disclose this to law enforcement or other qualified HCPs (i.e. for hospitalisation in the risk of self harm) but this definitely does not extend to a clients manager, and absolutely not to their football coach

 

[jmoo wan]

McDonagh: "Hey Doc the pressure of being an AFL player is pushing me close to the edge, constant negative feedback is wearing me down."
Club psych to coaching staff: "Guys I'm worried about McDonagh just watch what you say."

this could not (should not) happen without out McDonagh’s express consent

 

[ant555]

Despite your experience in the game, you may not know everything.

I do know Psychologists do not give out info on their clients.