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Setting aside your fake tough guy talk for a moment, this is the last thing we should do.Time to get boots on the ground for mine.
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Setting aside your fake tough guy talk for a moment, this is the last thing we should do.Time to get boots on the ground for mine.
Stop saying 'we'. It wont be you enlisting to kill and die. It will be other people.We should get over there now and engage these animals and wipe out as many as we can while there out in the open.
Many would know that a ground invasion is the last thing that would help.Surely moderate Muslims would support that if there being targeted as well.
I never suggested a large scale invasion.
It's a low scale guerrilla war that's required, and the ADF and other nations have assets more than capable of meeting ISIS on those terms.
It's like saying there are some pretty horrific verses in the Old Testament, therefore all Jews are violent extremists.
The way to deaden the influence of religion is to ignore it, restrict its influence and bring people into the modern world, and you do that by making the modern world an attractive place for them to be.
The problems of the Middle East are as much about poor governance (in many aspects) as they are about religion.
huh?There is a lot of violence in the Old Testament, the difference is that most of it was caused by God himself.
There is a lot of violence in the Old Testament, the difference is that most of it was caused by God himself. And how can you say that all Jews are violent extremist when history shows that this has not been the case, even with all the persecution they have received over the centuries. Jews have a long history of integrating pretty well into what every society and culture they have happened to find themselves (maybe too well, but that is another discussion). So really your comparison in nonsensical. And it is frightening that so many think this way.
So by putting our head in the sand it will all go away? Nice plan
And to your last point, with Islam you can not separate governance from religion, they are all part of the same totalitarian ideology, hence the problems in the Middle East.
Surely moderate Muslims would support that if there being targeted as well.
You think God 'himself' actually caused violence? Am I reading that right?I dont think so, Muslims will support fellow Muslims even if they are extreme, before supporting crusading infadels. A large number of Middle Eastern Muslims blame the west for their current plight and place in the world, getting more invloved will not help matters.
That's over simplifying it beyond belief.So much hypocrisy and or short term memory problems afoot....
If Afghanistan was considered the 'just' war, then what is now the issue with confronting ISIS?
Just as much of a root and staging post in need of being cauterised I would of thought.
You need to do a little more reading. Here are the highlights:huh?
You need to do a little more reading. Here are the highlights:
Here is a quote from the main man himself.
- Noahs Flood: Gen 7:23- God killed entire world population except Noah and his family
- God killed a million Ethiopians: 2 Chr 14:9-14
- God kills all firstborn Egyptian children: Ex 12:29-30
- God destroys Sodom and Gomorrah: Gen 19:24
- God kills with hail: Ex 9:25
- God burns 250 people to death for burning incense: Num 16:35
- God kills 14,700 for complaining about God's killings: Num 16:49
- God killed Eli's sons and 34,000 Israelite soldiers: 1 Sam 2:25, 4:11
"See now that I myself am He! There is no god besides me. I put to death and I bring to life, I have wounded and I will heal, and no one can deliver out of my hand. I lift my hand to heaven and declare: As surely as I live forever, when I sharpen my flashing sword and my hand grasps it in judgment, I will take vengeance on my adversaries and repay those who hate me. I will make my arrows drunk with blood, while my sword devours flesh: the blood of the slain and the captives, the heads of the enemy leaders. Deuteronomy 32.39-42
Biblical estimate that Gold killed between 2.5 to 25 Million people in the Old Testament.
It says so in the Bible.Are you taking the p1ss?
Are you claiming 'God' has killed people?
Reading these parts literally puts you in the same category as those other fanatics.It says so in the Bible.
That's over simplifying it beyond belief.
Why, reading the Bible automatically makes me a fanatic? I never said I believe them, because I certainly dont.Reading these parts literally puts you in the same category as those other fanatics.
I still think you're taking the p1ss.
Is it your belief God killed all the people mentioned in the OT?Why, reading the Bible automatically makes me a fanatic? I never said I believe them, because I certainly dont.
I was making the the point that God is the most violent person in the Old Testament. Where in the Qur'an, Muhammad is commanding his followers to commit violence against non-believers. Can you see the difference?
You need to do a little more reading. Here are the highlights:
Here is a quote from the main man himself.
- Noahs Flood: Gen 7:23- God killed entire world population except Noah and his family
- God killed a million Ethiopians: 2 Chr 14:9-14
- God kills all firstborn Egyptian children: Ex 12:29-30
- God destroys Sodom and Gomorrah: Gen 19:24
- God kills with hail: Ex 9:25
- God burns 250 people to death for burning incense: Num 16:35
- God kills 14,700 for complaining about God's killings: Num 16:49
- God killed Eli's sons and 34,000 Israelite soldiers: 1 Sam 2:25, 4:11
"See now that I myself am He! There is no god besides me. I put to death and I bring to life, I have wounded and I will heal, and no one can deliver out of my hand. I lift my hand to heaven and declare: As surely as I live forever, when I sharpen my flashing sword and my hand grasps it in judgment, I will take vengeance on my adversaries and repay those who hate me. I will make my arrows drunk with blood, while my sword devours flesh: the blood of the slain and the captives, the heads of the enemy leaders. Deuteronomy 32.39-42
Biblical estimate that God killed between 2.5 to 25 Million people in the Old Testament.
That is a lot of violence to me.
No, I believe the OT is complete fiction and a just a rehash or previous myths and beliefs handed down from other cultures.Is it your belief God killed all the people mentioned in the OT?
You could say he has some anger issues.That God's a bit of a bastard.
His point is more that the violence in the Bible is mostly metaphorical or, if you want to take it literally, out of peoples hands either way. God will kill all the Egyptians as opposed to you should kill all the Egyptians kind of a message, whereas the Koran's violence is in the real world.Is it your belief God killed all the people mentioned in the OT?
Really? Pretty sure those drone strikes that only ever kill 30 innocent people and never more (most of you know the reason for "30") are controlled by a predominantly "Christian" nation.That's the point though....you can't and will never have Islam without the barbarians - it's not like Christianity or other religions where you will have your share of nutjobs but there at the back of the bus.
I'd say it's pretty clear the other hostages were being threatened too.The full video he gives some stern advice to his brother who is in the airforce. Before his death he spoke like a converted muslim extremist... I wonder if it is actually true he got killed (i havent seen any video of him actually getting beheaded)
http://warontherocks.com/2014/08/dont-bs-the-american-people-about-iraq-syria-and-isil/I never suggested a large scale invasion.
It's a low scale guerrilla war that's required, and the ADF and other nations have assets more than capable of meeting ISIS on those terms.
John McCain and Linsey Graham. You have no idea what you're talking about. Please refrain from commenting on international affairs, it's embarrassing.http://thehill.com/policy/defense/211597-mccain-graham-call-for-us-to-arm-syrian-rebels
Here that? We are a better place because of ISIS ( according to senior american politicians), because of these beheadings and atrocities, as it is helping keep Iranians down.
See above.that execution video terrified me because it didn't look anything like an execution video. shot in HD from multiple angles, no screams of Allah akbar, no large group of men standing around with AK47's, the gruesome parts edited out etc. etc.
i wonder if Mr Foley had been successfully brainwashed and perhaps believed what he said, or if he was threatened with torture. either way, his speech before his death was bone chilling.
who was the captured man at the end? they showed another prisoner and said "the fate of this next citizen is in your hands"
Really? Pretty sure those drone strikes that only ever kill 30 innocent people and never more (most of you know the reason for "30") are controlled by a predominantly "Christian" nation.
Violence is not beholden to one particular religion - they all have blood on their hands. Extremism is a cancer to global society. period.