Dank's D-day looms....April 10th

[I Rock]

The players don't seem to believe so. Do you think there's a chance they actually know what went on?

Of course there is a chance. This is one of the round about points I wanted us to get to. The club and the players are not acting like a group conned by a rougue. Yet you suggest that Hird and the club were deceived.

So I ask you do you think that the club and the players know now and knew then?

This is why I play my round about clarify your statement games. You claim Hird knew as much as the club in terms of what Dank was doing. You say Dank went rougue. Dank did all the bad stuff on his own.

Yet in the next breath you claim the club knows what went on and everything is safe and ok.

How can the club know this is Dank was rogue in it all?

 

[mxett]

But the club is unable to make those assurance. You know this.

I believe the club have a comprehensive list of every possible drug Dank said he may use, and determined there were no banned or dangerous drugs amongst them. They just don't know which were used on which player

 

[mxett]

Of course there is a chance. This is one of the round about points I wanted us to get to. The club and the players are not acting like a group conned by a rougue. Yet you suggest that Hird and the club were deceived.

So I ask you do you think that the club and the players know now and knew then?

This is why I play my round about clarify your statement games. You claim Hird knew as much as the club in terms of what Dank was doing. You say Dank went rougue. Dank did all the bad stuff on his own.

Yet in the next breath you claim the club knows what went on and everything is safe and ok.

How can the club know this is Dank was rogue in it all?

Simple stuff really. If banned substances were used this was Danks actions only. If they weren't then he did what he was asked to do. The club believe the latter

 

[Duckworth]

yep,april 15th was my guess.
quite happy to admit being wrong and long and happy days for your club.

I'm betting that there will never be a D-Day, that way I'll be wrong (maybe) only once.

 

[I Rock]

I believe the club have a comprehensive list of every possible drug Dank said he may use, and determined there were no banned or dangerous drugs amongst them. They just don't know which were used on which player

I also added to my above post if your interested.

As for this. How could they know it is safe. Maybe each substance on its own in control dosage could be sage. But how then do they know what the mix of substances will do. Especially given they according to you don't know who got what and why. The club can't offer that resolution especially given substances that have not passed the appropriate testing.

If you want us to believe Dank went rogue the club can't assure player safety. If the club can assure player safety then Dank didn't go rogue.

Hence my round about games.

 

[I Rock]

Simple stuff really. If banned substances were used this was Danks actions only. If they weren't then he did what he was asked to do. The club believe the latter

Believe but don't know for sure. ....

 

[Linda Lovelace]

I was guilty of posting on this board far too often last year instead of doing work. It was the first topic that made me upgrade from being just an occasional lurker. The reason being that, for all the sh*t everyone gives each other on this board, some of the discussion was actually more sophisticated than you could get talking to friends and co-workers who relied on Robbo to get their information. I don't feel the need to often post on the Collingwood board because I can just talk about that stuff with fellow Pie mates. This saga combined several conspiracies, PEDs and footy. The perfect storm for me. My interest has therefore outlasted the majority.

But even I am done. I just pray for a resolution so that somehow I can justify the amount of hours I spent focusing on this bollocks. Apart from the silly little soap opera stuff at the start of the year, the footy hasn't really been hijacked. By that I mean, when going to an Essendon game or talking with Essendon and non-Essendon fans about footy so far this year, nobody brings ASADA up at all. Which is good.

The Essendon team wasn't 'brave' or 'under immense pressure from the saga' whether they won or lost against Freo. Afterwards the discussion revolved around the injuries both teams had, the heat and whether or not Essendon's possession-heavy style will work against a team like Freo.

Everyone, including me, needs to dust this board off when something happens. Because it already has been, and will continue to be, a long wait.

 

[The Scales]

I also added to my above post if your interested.

As for this. How could they know it is safe. Maybe each substance on its own in control dosage could be sage. But how then do they know what the mix of substances will do. Especially given they according to you don't know who got what and why. The club can't offer that resolution especially given substances that have not passed the appropriate testing.

If you want us to believe Dank went rogue the club can't assure player safety. If the club can assure player safety then Dank didn't go rogue.

Hence my round about games.

Are you a clinical pharmacologist, by any chance? "What ifs", "maybes" and "possiblys" do not make for a coherent argument.

Do you not have an inkling that there are "specialists" in this area of expertise, or do you presume the rest of society operates as you do, by guessing?

 

[mxett]

I also added to my above post if your interested.

As for this. How could they know it is safe. Maybe each substance on its own in control dosage could be sage. But how then do they know what the mix of substances will do. Especially given they according to you don't know who got what and why. The club can't offer that resolution especially given substances that have not passed the appropriate testing.

If you want us to believe Dank went rogue the club can't assure player safety. If the club can assure player safety then Dank didn't go rogue.

Hence my round about games.

The club employed 2 experts to determine the safety and compliance of all possible drugs used. There advice was no banned or dangerous drugs were used. That's not my assertion because I don't have this information, its theirs.

Believe but don't know for sure. ....

Believe on their best information

 

[The Scales]

I was guilty of posting on this board far too often last year instead of doing work. It was the first topic that made me upgrade from being just an occasional lurker. The reason being that, for all the sh*t everyone gives each other on this board, some of the discussion was actually more sophisticated than you could get talking to friends and co-workers who relied on Robbo to get their information. I don't feel the need to often post on the Collingwood board because I can just talk about that stuff with fellow Pie mates. This saga combined several conspiracies, PEDs and footy. The perfect storm for me. My interest has therefore outlasted the majority.

But even I am done. I just pray for a resolution so that somehow I can justify the amount of hours I spent focusing on this bollocks. Apart from the silly little soap opera stuff at the start of the year, the footy hasn't really been hijacked. By that I mean, when going to an Essendon game or talking with Essendon and non-Essendon fans about footy so far this year, nobody brings ASADA up at all. Which is good.

The Essendon team wasn't 'brave' or 'under immense pressure from the saga' whether they won or lost against Freo. Afterwards the discussion revolved around the injuries both teams had, the heat and whether or not Essendon's possession-heavy style will work against a team like Freo.

Everyone, including me, needs to dust this board off when something happens. Because it already has been, and will continue to be, a long wait.

Hear, freaking hear.

 

[MagpieJo]

I believe the club have a comprehensive list of every possible drug Dank said he may use, and determined there were no banned or dangerous drugs amongst them. They just don't know which were used on which player

Which more or less makes them innocent, except regarding the players personal health, but hey, we already know that counts for s**t. So why not come forth with the list? Jeez that feral paper shredder was a bugger? And how about all the drugs from not quite south of the border!

 

[MagpieJo]

The club employed 2 experts to determine the safety and compliance of all possible drugs used. There advice was no banned or dangerous drugs were used. That's not my assertion because I don't have this information, its theirs.


Believe on their best information

Why would they do that if all the drugs were approved? That would be unnecessary, and seriously, will it stand up in court when your club hired them to do the digging? Of there were no banned substances used, none of these threads would exist.

 

[MagpieJo]

All any of us can have is patience, what is your point? Are we on "death watch?' Thanks, doctor.

The AFLPA would have had the support of the AFL to maintain contracted payments to players, if any had decided the EFC had failed in their duty of care. I do not think they are intimidated, nor being paid "hush money". That covers the livelihood angle.

As stated in my previous post, the playing group are not acting disillusioned, or lacking in motivation in their efforts for on-field success. If they were feeling the least bit anxious or let down by the club, I would expect a correlating decline in effort. It would be inherently stupid to suggest the Club and the majority of the supporter base do not care, EFC held parent information sessions, and has offered on-going support, and no supporter has ever stated the welfare of the players was not of paramount concern. Please provide links to substantiate this outrageous statement.

Of course winning matters ( we have scoreboards and finals to recognise this ), but I still have implicit trust that the proposed supplement program established by the EFC ( and by extention, its agents and employees ), was designed to comply with all relevant codes. I may be proven wrong, yet to date I have not seen, nor heard of any charge ( from a doping authority ), that proves beyond reasonable doubt the EFC have impinged any law.

Whatever it takes to suggest you be slightly more factual, and a little bit less hysterical.

So tell me, if your club has done nothing wrong, why do they need to hold parent information sessions? Why do the players need ongoing support? Seems to me all anyone with red and black blood cares about is the welfare of one James Hird.

As for whatever it takes, that's your motto, not mine.

Facts? Will we ever know them? I do fear your club will get away with this, because dimi doesn't want the damage to the AFL those headlines will bring. That doesn't make it ok.

This wasn't all made up by the media you know. If they had nothing to hide, there would be solid evidence of what took place. The only reason not to do that is because you have something to hide.

 

[I Rock]

Are you a clinical pharmacologist, by any chance? "What ifs", "maybes" and "possiblys" do not make for a coherent argument.

Do you not have an inkling that there are "specialists" in this area of expertise, or do you presume the rest of society operates as you do, by guessing?

You see you have your argument pointed the wrong way. You should be asking all of this on how the club can possibly claim the players are safe.

The fact is the can't. They don't know. Nobody does. That's the point. Nobody knows the risks and the players should never have been exposed to it.

 

[mxett]

Which more or less makes them innocent, except regarding the players personal health, but hey, we already know that counts for s**t. So why not come forth with the list? Jeez that feral paper shredder was a bugger? And how about all the drugs from not quite south of the border!

Ahh because there's this thing called an ASADA investigation? Heard of it?

Why would they do that if all the drugs were approved? That would be unnecessary, and seriously, will it stand up in court when your club hired them to do the digging? Of there were no banned substances used, none of these threads would exist.

Because they were implicated in an ACC report??

 

[MagpieJo]

Ahh because there's this thing called an ASADA investigation? Heard of it?


Because they were implicated in an ACC report??

You really don't care do you, about anything but Essendon escaping any infractions or further action. That's really sad. The health of those kids is far more important than any footy heroics. Let alone ones that require cheating

 

[I Rock]

The club employed 2 experts to determine the safety and compliance of all possible drugs used. There advice was no banned or dangerous drugs were used. That's not my assertion because I don't have this information, its theirs.


Believe on their best information

So again they don't know. Maybe the word believe should be replaced with hope. I would suggest that is a more appropriate term for the club.

You see what I would love for you to do mxett is get into the specifics of what you claim. The logistics of how you feel it all unfolded.

You claimed Hird didn't know. But at what point is it reasonable to expect he's should have. When the drug dealer was hired to sourced the raw material. After he spoke to the ny pharmacist. Or could he not have ever known because he doesn't have the capacity in your mind.

What about the logistics of Dank running this extra program on his own. How did he do it. All with (as you implied last night) keeping no records.

How for example does the efc not know of 40 players going off site to get jabbed with a substance from Mexico nobody knows what it is.

I'm having trouble with the details ofyour claims. Help me out here.

 

[mxett]

You really don't care do you, about anything but Essendon escaping any infractions or further action. That's really sad. The health of those kids is far more important than any footy heroics. Let alone ones that require cheating

I'm partly being guided by players who continue to throw the full faith and support behind the club you claim has risked their health. Speaks volumes really, far more than hollow and baseless accusations on a forum

 

[I Rock]

I'm partly being guided by players who continue to throw the full faith and support behind the club you claim has risked their health. Speaks volumes really, far more than hollow and baseless accusations on a forum

Dank's as a rougue suggest this. The efc not knowing what the players got suggest this not anyone else. If the players are not upset. The may be Dank didn't go rougue. Maybe the club does know what was taken. But that would mean the club sanctioned the use of WADA banned substances and mysterious Mexico drug's.

 

[mxett]

So again they don't know. Maybe the word believe should be replaced with hope. I would suggest that is a more appropriate term for the club.

You see what I would love for you to do mxett is get into the specifics of what you claim. The logistics of how you feel it all unfolded.

You claimed Hird didn't know. But at what point is it reasonable to expect he's should have. When the drug dealer was hired to sourced the raw material. After he spoke to the ny pharmacist. Or could he not have ever known because he doesn't have the capacity in your mind.

What about the logistics of Dank running this extra program on his own. How did he do it. All with (as you implied last night) keeping no records.

How for example does the efc not know of 40 players going off site to get jabbed with a substance from Mexico nobody knows what it is.

I'm having trouble with the details ofyour claims. Help me out here.

They believe they know what happened.

As for Hird, he bares some responsibility because of his role in hiring Robinson/Dank and allowing them to work essentially unsupervised. He was far too trusting and fully deserves punishment. I do not believe he acted maliciously though, just naively.

As for the rest, sorry, I'm over it. We've discussed it a million times already

 

[MagpieJo]

I'm partly being guided by players who continue to throw the full faith and support behind the club you claim has risked their health. Speaks volumes really, far more than hollow and baseless accusations on a forum

Your right there, they are playing like their life depends on it. Or their career. Do they have any other options though? Where else can they play til this is all over, which ever way it goes?

And yeah everyone talks s**t on a forum, by gee though you reckon all those newspaper articles and tv specials might have something. Or is this like Dallas where we all wake up and bobby gets out the shower alive?

 

[I Rock]

They believe they know what happened.

As for Hird, he bares some responsibility because of his role in hiring Robinson/Dank and allowing them to work essentially unsupervised. He was far too trusting and fully deserves punishment. I do not believe he acted maliciously though, just naively.

As for the rest, sorry, I'm over it. We've discussed it a million times already

But we haven't. You have made claims and then basically skirted the issue a million times and I have continued to probe on it.

 

[BF Tiger]

The club employed 2 experts to determine the safety and compliance of all possible drugs used. There advice was no banned or dangerous drugs were used. That's not my assertion because I don't have this information, its theirs.


Believe on their best information

Didn't Jobe say that he believed he'd taken AOD, and that was enough for a good number of EFC (you Mxett?) supporters to say that that was not definitive that he took it (AOD), but now that club employed experts believe that no banned or dangerous drugs were used we're meant to take it as the gospel.

 

[Lance Uppercut]

I was guilty of posting on this board far too often last year instead of doing work. It was the first topic that made me upgrade from being just an occasional lurker. The reason being that, for all the sh*t everyone gives each other on this board, some of the discussion was actually more sophisticated than you could get talking to friends and co-workers who relied on Robbo to get their information. I don't feel the need to often post on the Collingwood board because I can just talk about that stuff with fellow Pie mates. This saga combined several conspiracies, PEDs and footy. The perfect storm for me. My interest has therefore outlasted the majority.

But even I am done. I just pray for a resolution so that somehow I can justify the amount of hours I spent focusing on this bollocks. Apart from the silly little soap opera stuff at the start of the year, the footy hasn't really been hijacked. By that I mean, when going to an Essendon game or talking with Essendon and non-Essendon fans about footy so far this year, nobody brings ASADA up at all. Which is good.

The Essendon team wasn't 'brave' or 'under immense pressure from the saga' whether they won or lost against Freo. Afterwards the discussion revolved around the injuries both teams had, the heat and whether or not Essendon's possession-heavy style will work against a team like Freo.

Everyone, including me, needs to dust this board off when something happens. Because it already has been, and will continue to be, a long wait.

Such a good post. It's only the true ASADA barrackers who are left spinning the same circles, and I reckon there's only a dozen or so of the truest believers left

 

[I Rock]

Such a good post. It's only the true ASADA barrackers who are left spinning the same circles, and I reckon there's only a dozen or so of the truest believers left

Types this, cracks it when others do the exact same thing. Amazing.