Dons more likely to avoid doping ban, says lawyer

[BigLefty]

And this is the stuff we have been arguing all along that lawyers, i mean real ones, will weaken ASADAS case in any and every way they can.

All this case closed bullshit is exactly that.

see, this is the attitude that gets me.

if your last resort is to rely on your lawyers to get you out of it, you know you have done the wrong thing.

suck it up, own it, and get on with it.

 

[Lance Uppercut]

see, this is the attitude that gets me.

if your last resort is to rely on your lawyers to get you out of it, you know you have done the wrong thing.

suck it up, own it, and get on with it.

wow, disregard the whole legal system why don't you

 

[Bloodstained Bomber]

see, this is the attitude that gets me.

if your last resort is to rely on your lawyers to get you out of it, you know you have done the wrong thing.

suck it up, own it, and get on with it.

I don't know anything of the sort as very few if any facts have been revealed.

 

[hoianbulldog]

And what would ASADAs advice been?

NFI.

What are AFL players advised to do when they are in doubt about things they are asked to take? Google ASADA?

 

[TheGreatBarryB]

Added to Vlad's "no points will deducted" and "don't think it will be fair to ban players if they weren't at fault" , I think the players are looking ok to avoid suspension.....and the club to go on and win the flag.

Of course governance will need to be improved and fine could be big but nothing a big family day can't pay. Much to the chagrin of the many many trolls on here. Isn't there an amazing amount of posters with under 200 posts who have just come out of the woodwork like hungry wolves baying for blood. Pathetic.

 

[BigLefty]

wow, disregard the whole legal system why don't you

what legal system? this is WADA and the AFL you are dealing with.
no player is going to jail for using AOD. but they sure as hell will be banned if they've used it.

 

[hoianbulldog]

Added to Vlad's "no points will deducted" and "don't think it will be fair to ban players if they weren't at fault" , I think the players are looking ok to avoid suspension.....and the club to go on and win the flag.

Of course governance will need to be improved and fine could be big but nothing a big family day can't pay.

WOW..........just WOW.

 

[Evelyn208]

Then go back and have a read of many on here that not only have us convicted but 2 years for each player and 4 years for Hird for trafficking. No reduction, case closed.

I don't think anyone for a minute thinks the lawyers will not get involved. Posters usually talk about what "should" happen or what they "want to see" happen. Doesn't make it fact, does it?

 

[Malifice]

How is an 18yo athlete supposed to know what do do when given the opportunity to take a supplement?

Under a policy of strict liability (such as with ASADA) they say 'no'.

Ultimately the player is responsible.

There you go.

Wasnt hard was it?

 

[TheGreatBarryB]

WOW..........just WOW.

Things need to be fixed and a few arses severely kicked, if we've done anything stupid coaches and officials may be sacked. But don't give me sanctimonuous bullshit, any supporter in our position would be sticking up for players. You're a complete liar if you say otherwise.

 

[Bloodstained Bomber]

I don't think anyone for a minute thinks the lawyers will not get involved. Posters usually talk about what "should" happen or what they "want to see" happen. Doesn't make it fact, does it?

Then you haven't been keeping up with these threads.

Start with IanW....

 

[Messenger]

And for the record (and my most sincere apologies for using Google), this is what is still up on the ACC site

http://www.crimecommission.gov.au/p...-sport/performance-image-enhancing-substances

If someone can show us all where ASADA says it OK, by all means.

 

[TheGreatBarryB]

Under a policy of strict liability (such as with ASADA) they say 'no'.



There you go.

Wasnt hard was it?

So asking the doctor/sports scientist/coaches is it ok. Then signing forms and maybe , just maybe saying i'll call ASADA and the club may have said "no, no we've already done that."

Some then may have consulted website and saw 'yep not banned'. Do you expect all footballers to have to look at subsection s0 or s2?

Isn't this in some way responsible?

 

[HirdyLannister]

Well it looks like we wont be losing points or players banned , badluck to the team that finishes ninth and hoping on making the finals on a technicality . . .

 

[Bloodstained Bomber]

Well it looks like we wont be losing points or players banned , badluck to the team that finishes ninth and hoping on making the finals on a technicality . . .

There is still a very long way to go before that conclusion can be made.

 

[Snake_Baker]

And for the record (and my most sincere apologies for using Google), this is what is still up on the ACC site

http://www.crimecommission.gov.au/p...-sport/performance-image-enhancing-substances

Call me cynical, but I fail to see how this helps essendons cause.

Growth Hormone Variants

AOD-9604 is a variant of growth hormone which has fat burning properties and may be used by athletes to increase power to weight ratios by better utilisation of fat stores.

AOD-9604 is about to enter phase three clinical trials.12 During phase two clinical trials it was also found to have an anabolic effect on cartilage tissue and may promote cartilage creation and repair and have a capacity to enhance muscle formation.13

AOD-9604 is not currently a WADA prohibited substance.

 

[jmac70]

Added to Vlad's "no points will deducted" and "don't think it will be fair to ban players if they weren't at fault" , I think the players are looking ok to avoid suspension.....and the club to go on and win the flag.

Of course governance will need to be improved and fine could be big but nothing a big family day can't pay. Much to the chagrin of the many many trolls on here. Isn't there an amazing amount of posters with under 200 posts who have just come out of the woodwork like hungry wolves baying for blood. Pathetic.

A tad arrogant perhaps?

 

[Mr Mojo Risin]

Eh, just like all media reports, means nothing til we have all the information.

It's just that this one is nicer to read as an Essendon supporter.

Mind you, it's just as relevant as the other crap too.

 

[jmac70]

Things need to be fixed and a few arses severely kicked, if we've done anything stupid coaches and officials may be sacked. But don't give me sanctimonuous bullshit, any supporter in our position would be sticking up for players. You're a complete liar if you say otherwise.

Please don't judge us by your lofty standards.

 

[TheGreatBarryB]

A tad arrogant perhaps?

a joke sir.

 

[Messenger]

Call me cynical, but I fail to see how this helps essendons cause.

I'm putting it there for the record. I'd certainly agree some of the information is contradictory but the line "AOD-9604 is not currently a WADA prohibited substance" is of note.

I would wonder how many athletes would look for this information on the site of the Australian Crime Commission however.

 

[TheGreatBarryB]

Please don't judge us by your lofty standards.

So if it was Coll'wood you seriously would agree that the players should be suspended?

 

[TheGreatBarryB]

I'm putting it there for the record. I'd certainly agree some of the information is contradictory but the line "AOD-9604 is not currently a WADA prohibited substance" is of note.

I would wonder how many athletes would look for this information on the site of the Australian Crime Commission however.

And the point the lawyer was making was that ACC has said this info was posted on advice given by ASADA.

 

[Moquo]

Just out of interest, when was the last time a lawyer said ..."don't bother,.. you're screwed"?

 

[ThatsjustDappa]

An ACC report whatever it states somehow makes this all legit? Tell him he's dreamin'.....the lawyer that it is....