Mega Thread Hot Topic - Drugs and AFL

[pastmyprimus]

He is?

A potential $640,000 hit to the hip pocket could be a wake-up call.

 

[Doctor Feel]

#standbychubb

 

[xflamedancer]

And when he loses this case who is he going to sue next? I guess we know where all of that $mill he got for going to France is going to end up.

#gettingwhatyoudeservetird

 

[Grave Danger]

A potential $640,000 hit to the hip pocket could be a wake-up call.

 

[scottjr]

And when he loses this case who is he going to sue next? I guess we know where all of that $mill he got for going to France is going to end up.

#gettingwhatyoudeservetird

Ultimately the players are responsible for their actions and James won't let them get away smearing his name.

 

[raptalia]

To take the heat from Hird and Essendon for a moment. WADA are flying half way around the world to pursue some insignificant AFL team when they have reportedly not acted over 800 dubious blood samples returned by hundreds of Olympic and world Championship Athletes of which 55 were gold medallists. At the moment this is only media reporting but if true WADA's credibility is surely in tatters.

To those who keep on espousing the 'comfortable satisfaction' line, WADA President Craig Reedie is now saying that the athletes involved with these 800 samples are 'innocent until proven guilty'. Which is it to be, the onus of outright proof of guilt or comfortable satisfaction?

Maybe WADA have fresh evidence but if they do not make the Essendon charges stick and it transpires they have not acted over some 800 dubious samples dating back to 2001 their reputation is also shot.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

To take the heat from Hird and Essendon for a moment. WADA are flying half way around the world to pursue some insignificant AFL team when they have reportedly not acted over 800 dubious blood samples returned by hundreds of Olympic and world Championship Athletes of which 55 were gold medallists. At the moment this is only media reporting but if true WADA's credibility is surely in tatters.

To those who keep on espousing the 'comfortable satisfaction' line, WADA President Craig Reedie is now saying that the athletes involved with these 800 samples are 'innocent until proven guilty'. Which is it to be, the onus of outright proof of guilt or comfortable satisfaction?

Maybe WADA have fresh evidence but if they do not make the Essendon charges stick and it transpires they have not acted over some 800 dubious samples dating back to 2001 their reputation is also shot.

No the IAAF are in tatters. They are the ones that have the codes that match the lab results to the athletes. They are the ones that have hid the results not WADA.

WADA are not responsible for testing. It's the sporting federations and the national anti-doping authorities that do that.

WADA is like the UN. They arent in charge of day to day policing of conventions. Its the signatories to the convention that are. The IAAF like the AFL are worried about PR spin.

 

[TeeKray]

Ultimately the players are responsible for their actions and James won't let them get away smearing his name.

I think James has done a good enough job of that himself to be honest.

 

[Power Raid]

Hird will end up with an honourary law degree at the end of this fiasco

 

[Hodges 153!]

Hird will end up with an honourary law degree at the end of this fiasco

He's already married to one....

 

[Power Raid]

He's already married to one....

lol......it would make me laugh if his wife was issuing the legal invoices he is now suing the insurance company for

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Doping in athletics: Russian suspects in IAAF tests scandal

JONATHAN CALVERT, GEORGE ARBUTHNOTT | THE SUNDAY TIMES | AUGUST 03, 2015 12:00AM

The Russian medal winners in the women’s 1500m final in the 2005 Helsinki World Championships had highly abnormal blood scores. Source: TheAustralian

The flashbulbs popped as the pack of elite female athletes jostled for position in the Helsinki Olympic stadium. At stake was sporting immortality: world champion in arguably the toughest track race of all, the 1500m.

Summoning up her last reserves of energy, Maryam Yusuf Jamal, a young Ethiopian, quickened her stride and battled to the front. Then the extraordinary surge happened. Four women in Russia’s red, white and blue surrounded Jamal and pushed her off-balance as they powered to the front.

Millions of television viewers worldwide saw the Russians sprint to the first three medal positions — an unparalleled triumph. Experts watching that afternoon at the 2005 world championships scratched their heads. Was this extraordinary achievement the result of advanced training and discipline, a freak of nature — or some other, more murky reason?

The anti-doping unit of the International Association of Athletics Federations should have been aware of the answer to that question. It had the results of eight blood tests the Russians had undergone since arriving in Finland. Those test results have now been reviewed by one of the world’s foremost experts in blood-doping who has concluded that the Russian performance was a “slam dunk” case of cheating.

Source: http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...af-tests-scandal/story-fnb64oi6-1227467100144
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http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...af-tests-scandal/story-fnb64oi6-1227467100144

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

9 championships/olympics x 3 medals per event =27. 27 male + 27 female = 54 medals awarded per event - except for 27 for decathlon and 27 for heptathlon. So more than half 1500m medals and 20km walk medals are suspicious. That would mainly be bumped up by the Russian 1500m women and the 20km Russian male walkers as if you have kept an eye on banned athletes since the Sydney Olympics you know this is where they have been caught. I suspect the Russian female walkers probably have a few suspicious readings but I dont recall them being banned but I know a few Russian male walkers have been banned.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Some stats from the article

The data covers the results of 12,359 tests from more than 5000 athletes conducted over an 11-year period from the 2001 world championships, when the IAAF started taking blood samples, up to the eve of the 2012 London Olympics.

In the opinion of two experts, the data shows 146 world championship and Olympic medals in endurance events were won by athletes whose blood-test results were considered suspicious on one or more occasions in their career. This amounts to a third of all medals in endurance events during that time.

The result is called an off-score. Any score above 103 is abnormal for female athletes; the Russians were way above that.

The winner, Tatyana Tomashova, who was the world champion and Olympic silver medallist, had an extraordinary off-score of 129 on the day of the race. Yuliya Chizhenko-Fomenko was even higher with a score of 140. She finished second but was disqualified for pushing and her silver medal went to Olga Yegorova — who in 2001 had tested positive for EPO but got off on a technicality. Yegorova’s off-score at Helsinki was 124. Yelena Soboleva, who came fifth, scored 136.


There was certainly more than a whiff of scandal about his doping test results, which can now be revealed. For men, any off-score over 119 is regarded as abnormal. On the day that Ramzi cruised to victory in the 1500m, his off-score was 158. When he won the 800m it was 148. Both results had a one-in-a-million chance of being natural. He too was competing with a dangerously viscous blood that should have put him in hospital.

Their cases are just the tip of an iceberg. Analysis shows every world championship and Olympic Games since 2001 has been contaminated by athletes with suspiciously high off-scores.

More than 800 athletes — one in seven of those named in the data — have recorded one or more blood-test results deemed to be abnormal. The baseline for abnormal is any score that has less than a one in 100 chance of being natural. Many athletes were way beyond that point.

The worst offenders were from Russia, which accounted for 415 of the abnormal tests, followed by Ukraine (102), Morocco (82), Spain (81), Kenya (77), Turkey (52), Greece (42), Belarus (42), Romania (32), Portugal (32), and the US (32).


The total of 146 medals awarded to 76 athletes who had given dubious blood tests included 55 golds. In more than half of these cases, at least one of the experts concluded that the athletes were likely to be doping. A small number of these competitors have been banned over the years, but only four medals have been stripped by the authorities.

The experts found that, astonishingly, 80 per cent of Russia’s medal-winners had recorded suspicious scores at some point in their careers. The remarkable achievements of Kenya’s runners, which academic studies have tried to explain by climate, culture or genetics, may also have a sinister side. No fewer than 18 of the country’s medals were won by athletes with suspicious blood-test results.

 

[crazee_peet]

He's already married to one....

What? An honorary law degree or a fiasco?

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/ot...s-highly-suggestive-doping-trust-Beijing.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/ot...s-highly-suggestive-doping-trust-Beijing.html

 

[scottjr]

Kenya being so high on the abnormal list is disillusioning.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Kenya being so high on the abnormal list is disillusioning.

2005 The Sports Scientist website had a graph of the best 5,000m and 10,,000m times for the year and the average time for the top 20 times per year in each event from 1993 to 2002. As EPO.use got bigger the two lines on the 2 graphs went down each year. EPO test come in in 2000 and all graphs go the opposite way for 2000-02 period.

Thats when it dawned on me that the Kenyans and Ethiopians get to Europe and run the IAAF athletics meets they have access to the stuff and their agents control their $$$ so they get on the gear. I was sad about it for a few weeks but then reality hit home and I figured just about 100% of world class athletes are on stuff.

 

[chiwigi]

2005 The Sports Scientist website had a graph of the best 5,000m and 10,,000m times for the year and the average time for the top 20 times per year in each event from 1993 to 2002. As EPO.use got bigger the two lines on the 2 graphs went down each year. EPO test come in in 2000 and all graphs go the opposite way for 2000-02 period.

Thats when it dawned on me that the Kenyans and Ethiopians get to Europe and run the IAAF athletics meets they have access to the stuff and their agents control their $$$ so they get on the gear. I was sad about it for a few weeks but then reality hit home and I figured just about 100% of world class athletes are on stuff.

If you aren't on the gear, you aren't an elite athlete.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

If you aren't on the gear, you aren't an elite athlete.

If you dont take it, you wont make it, was what Ben Johnson was told when he was first confronted with drugs in athletics in the early 1980's. He told this story in the ESPN 30 for 30 doco 9.79* that was rebadged as The Race That Shook The World outside USA about the 100m final in Seoul in 1988 Olympics.

 

[chiwigi]

If you dont take it, you wont make it, was what Ben Johnson was told when he was first confronted with drugs in athletics in the early 1980's. He told this story in the ESPN 30 for 30 doco 9.79* that was rebadged as The Race That Shook The World outside USA about the 100m final in Seoul in 1988 Olympics.

It's sad but true, I am close friends with two SA Olympians who were totally clean and suffered because of it. The stories they have...

 

[Boss351]

Wada finds 'abnormally' high TB4 levels in Essendon players

The World Anti-Doping Agency claims it has found abnormally high amounts of thymosin beta 4 – the substance Essendon players are accused of taking – in the frozen urine samples of two players from the Dons' 2012 list.

In a piece of new evidence outlined since the AFL tribunal cleared the 34 current and ex-players of receiving thymosin beta 4, WADA said the samples from two players suggest external administration and argued that this result confirmed the substance sports scientist Stephen Dank injected into players was TB4.

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-ne...vels-in-essendon-players-20150805-gisibb.html

 

[raman]

Wada finds 'abnormally' high TB4 levels in Essendon players

The World Anti-Doping Agency claims it has found abnormally high amounts of thymosin beta 4 – the substance Essendon players are accused of taking – in the frozen urine samples of two players from the Dons' 2012 list.

inb4 Monfries and Ryder.

 

[Power Raid]

Wada finds 'abnormally' high TB4 levels in Essendon players

The World Anti-Doping Agency claims it has found abnormally high amounts of thymosin beta 4 – the substance Essendon players are accused of taking – in the frozen urine samples of two players from the Dons' 2012 list.

In a piece of new evidence outlined since the AFL tribunal cleared the 34 current and ex-players of receiving thymosin beta 4, WADA said the samples from two players suggest external administration and argued that this result confirmed the substance sports scientist Stephen Dank injected into players was TB4.

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-ne...vels-in-essendon-players-20150805-gisibb.html

In a perfect world the two players wouldn't be named but all 34 players, the club, the coaches, the medical staff and Dank required to sign stat decs that they were clean or disclose the drugs they took.

Just like the American female sprinter jail sentences are now at stake.

This whole exercise isn't to catch the players rather force the hand on the silence and then go after the managers involved. It is clear something happened, it is clear that drugs were found in the urine and its becoming clear that someone in management didn't look after the safety and well-being of "kids" in the care.

 

[FallingLiefs]

annndddd its time to cut deals.