I hope we didn't make a massive mistake going for Ryder.
It only would have been a big mistake if we'd somehow caved to Essendon's demands for our first pick and a best 22 player.
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I hope we didn't make a massive mistake going for Ryder.
Also - was chatting to a dude at the pub tonight who work's in Freo's sports science department and he was saying that at it's height, Essendon's injection program proscribed 20 injections per player per week.
That's 3 a day. Pharmacologically experimental environment indeed!
If not found guilty and WADA appeals straight to CAS then they could miss a year or two whilst they are provisionally suspended and CAS finally gets to hear their case. Whilst the AFL tribunal is independent of AFL executives and Commissioners and chairman David Jones QC will not be listening to what AFL wants, he will consider the ramifications of a wrist slap to the players, as being a potential big issue in this process coming to its final legal conclusion ie it could go on well past his ruling.
I hope we didn't make a massive mistake going for Ryder.
A FORMER Essendon player is set to take take legal action against the AFL and Essendon, potentially linked to the supplements scandal.
There was a former player who voiced his opinion in the media very early in the piece and was hounded down by Essendon flogs in the media. I wonder if this is the same person.Hmm... the plot thickens.
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport...afl-and-essendon/story-fnia3v71-1227276034390
A former Essendon player is planning to take legal action against the AFL and the Essendon Football Club
How can Hird, and the other Essendon officials involved, sleep at night?!!
No way the AFL is going to cop a 2 year suspension of Essendon. The TV networks would want money back, as they'd need to be either excluded from the draw altogether (8 games instead of 9) or their games are such farces with top-ups they'd say they aren't worth showing anyway.If not found guilty and WADA appeals straight to CAS then they could miss a year or two whilst they are provisionally suspended and CAS finally gets to hear their case. Whilst the AFL tribunal is independent of AFL executives and Commissioners and chairman David Jones QC will not be listening to what AFL wants, he will consider the ramifications of a wrist slap to the players, as being a potential big issue in this process coming to its final legal conclusion ie it could go on well past his ruling.
Not necessarily. If he thinks he was given things he wasn't aware of, he can think he's innocent of doping, but still have been given s**t that's detrimental. That's effectively Ryder's position.Kyle Reimers, wouldn't be anyone else. An action like this means he is likely anticipating a guilty verdict.
Not necessarily. If he thinks he was given things he wasn't aware of, he can think he's innocent of doping, but still have been given s**t that's detrimental. That's effectively Ryder's position.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-ne...tion-against-afl-bombers-20150324-1m68gi.html
A former Essendon player is planning to take legal action against the AFL and the Essendon Football Club
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-ne...tion-against-afl-bombers-20150324-1m68gi.html
No way the AFL is going to cop a 2 year suspension of Essendon. The TV networks would want money back, as they'd need to be either excluded from the draw altogether (8 games instead of 9) or their games are such farces with top-ups they'd say they aren't worth showing anyway.
The AFL only reluctantly joined ASADA / WADA to get some government funding. They're big enough to do without it and if push came to shove, IMO, they'd withdraw, wear the flack and move on. AFL fans aren't going to abandon the sport and there's no higher than AFL level competition like the Olympics they can be excluded from.
They are provisionally suspended I believe - that is why I have said what I have in my last few points.If the players are found 'not guilty' and WADA/ASADA appeal to CAS, do they get to play or do they remain provisionally suspended?
If 34 Essendon players tested positive to a ban drugged the AFL/WADA code would have worked fine. Its when you dont have a positive and you have to go thru a long investigation process that it effects the day to day running of a team sports.The problem with everything is that anti-doping has been setup to punish individuals in sport not teams, it's why American sports refuse to comply with the WADA code because it's a useless system when more than one person is involved. The case of Amed Saad was an easy one, given an 18 month suspension without any hesitation after testing positive to a banned substance found in an energy drink. It's setup for that, because it's a swift positive test to sentence verdict.
But when it comes to a group of 34 players on top of never tested positive it becomes incredibly muddied and difficult to handle.
What ASADA had to argue against Saad:
Positive samples of the energy drink 'Before Battle' containing the banned substance methylsynephrine.
Saad confessing to his club doctor and then ASADA that he took the banned substance match day.
What ASADA has to argue against Essendon:
0 positive A samples.
~40 various accounts of what happened
A practice of injecting the players with ASADA compliant substances.
But because it's similar to Brisbane's IV drip re-hydration of the early 2000's the injection program was punished by the AFL purely from the bad look on the game.An alleged practice of injecting the players with non-ASADA compliant substances.
Dank refusing to be questioned about the practice.
If ASADA somehow finds positive samples of physical proof banned ASADA substances:
The 18 month - 2 year ban will be handed down, destroying Essendon and they'll take the AFL down with them.
Potentially backdated to show cause letter date and Essendon will take them to court to back date it to original investigation date.
If ASADA has no physical proof banned ASADA substances were administered and used on players:
The players will cop a short to medium ban because of a lack of due care for their players welfare.
No matter what the outcome, Essendon are probably going to try and sue the pants off of ASADA/WADA for damages.
The WADA code does not work with team sports and until they rewrite an entire law to include team situations like this one, it will never work.
Even the AFL signing off on the new WADA case will not help them play in Round 1If the players are found 'not guilty' and WADA/ASADA appeal to CAS, do they get to play or do they remain provisionally suspended?
The government isn't going to shut out the AFL long term, let's remember they don't give the AFL money out of the goodness of their hearts, it's for votes. Those voters aren't going to disappear and you can bet one of the major parties in close seat(s) would quickly be back giving / offering money to get wins.The AFL can jump up and down and leave the WADA Code but these guys know the PR consequence of doing that and the cancellation of government funding for footy and community programming and most importantly for stadium infrastructure, although most grounds now have been upgrade or funding like Burswood stadium has been fully committed.
Individual sports it's easy. Athlete talks to their people, clarifies if unsure with ASADA. It's f-ing ridiculous to expect 34 players to all ring ASADA to clarify everything. That's why team sports the Doctor and club have to be taking more responsibility. Along with the coach and IMO those in the Essendon 2012 leadership group.The problem with everything is that anti-doping has been setup to punish individuals in sport not teams, it's why American sports refuse to comply with the WADA code because it's a useless system when more than one person is involved. The case of Amed Saad was an easy one, given an 18 month suspension without any hesitation after testing positive to a banned substance found in an energy drink. It's setup for that, because it's a swift positive test to sentence verdict.
But when it comes to a group of 34 players on top of never tested positive it becomes incredibly muddied and difficult to handle.
Why would the goverment give the AFL $$$ for community programs when they get bagged for giving it to them, when they could give it to WADA compliant sports to do the community program? You dont reckon NRL, A-League, ARU, cricket, netball, basketball clubs will ask the feds for funding to run those programs in place of the AFL?The government isn't going to shut out the AFL long term, let's remember they don't give the AFL money out of the goodness of their hearts, it's for votes. Those voters aren't going to disappear and you can bet one of the major parties in close seat(s) would quickly be back giving / offering money to get wins.
Bad PR in the short term is more manageable for the AFL, IMO, then risking losing TV rights and other monies from other than the government in the short / medium term.