I miss Gaddafi and Saddam

[VineyIsLORD]

They should never have been attacked.

Gaddafi ran Libya very well and helped the Irish in their struggle.

Saddam was a prick but look at the alternative.

And Massoud in Afghanistan should have been leader, but Belgian AQ operatives took him out the day before 9/11. CIA? Probably/maybe.

Secular arab socialists, even those who are personally religious, are the only people capable of running these highly volatile nations that the French and English drew up.

More importantly, the one thing they don't need is european or anglo involvement.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

They should never have been attacked.

Gaddafi ran Libya very well and helped the Irish in their struggle.

Saddam was a prick but look at the alternative.

And Massoud in Afghanistan should have been leader, but Belgian AQ operatives took him out the day before 9/11. CIA? Probably/maybe.

Secular arab socialists, even those who are personally religious, are the only people capable of running these highly volatile nations that the French and English drew up.

More importantly, the one thing they don't need is european or anglo involvement.

Forgotten a certain pan am flight already?

 

[VineyIsLORD]

Forgotten a certain pan am flight already?

What one terrorist attack?

Come on, that's a shocking case of whataboutism.

You think its fine that we handed Africa's wealthiest and best run country to ISIS because Gaddafi blew up one plane?

America killed more people on one Iranian flight in the 80's. Should we hand America over to far right wing white nationali.... s**t bad example. But you get my point.

 

[Brunswick Trap King]

GWB ****ed up Iraq and then Obama continued the pain train by removing soldiers and allowing ISIS to get a foothold. Overall, a sterlin bipartisan hatchet job on Iraq. We've most likely put them centuries back and none of the elected officials at the time will ever face recriminations. It makes it really hard to admire Australia, the US and Britain.

 

[Brunswick Trap King]

I remember reading about Massoud a few years back. He sounded like a very impressive individual and his death was a turning point for the worse in Afghanistan.

 

[Brunswick Trap King]

I also find it interesting that one of Saddam's most well known atrocities - the gassing of the Kurdish - he vehemently denied being involved in it. He claimed that his generals or whoever had done it without consulting him. He presented a cogent argument about he wouldn't do something so foolish because it gave Iran leverage against Iraq regarding human rights violations.

Furthermore, he also reached out to the US in the aftermath of September 11, thinking that Iraq being a secular Middle Eastern nation, would be an ideal ally for the US going forward. Apparently the US just ignored him, as they had done since the Clinton era, because it was easier to keep him as public enemy number one.

 

[cannot]

 

[Brunswick Trap King]

I also love that we've seen firsthand how removing Middle Eastern strongmen works out. Yet, the attempts to remove Al Assad have continued

How dumb can the US be to continue destabilising the Middle East? What can we say that we've achieved for these people?

At least Hillary got to announce 'we came, we saw, he died' or however that disgusting remark went about Gaddafi.

 

[Benny78]

They were both nice people. I miss them too

 

[Benny78]

I remember reading about Massoud a few years back. He sounded like a very impressive individual and his death was a turning point for the worse in Afghanistan.

He also sounds like a very nice man.

 

[Brick Loosener]

They should never have been attacked.

Gaddafi ran Libya very well and helped the Irish in their struggle.

Saddam was a prick but look at the alternative.

And Massoud in Afghanistan should have been leader, but Belgian AQ operatives took him out the day before 9/11. CIA? Probably/maybe.

Secular arab socialists, even those who are personally religious, are the only people capable of running these highly volatile nations that the French and English drew up.

More importantly, the one thing they don't need is european or anglo involvement.

Eductatame

 

[rowie343]

It's truly sickening what we have done to these countries. And not one person held accountable. F'ng sick to the core.

 

[cannot]

It's truly sickening what we have done to these countries. And not one person held accountable. F'ng sick to the core.

yep

 

[awaremind]

It's truly sickening what we have done to these countries. And not one person held accountable. F'ng sick to the core.

We are the good guys they are the bad guys simples.

 

[FireKrakouer]

Well I'll be damned. A thread on SRP where everyone seems to agree.

 

[LeverPuller]

I think the Kurds would argue otherwise on Saddam.

 

[rowie343]

We are the good guys they are the bad guys simples.

Pretty much. We are the ones in charge of the asylum. Bunch of f'ng lunatics dictating what to do and what everyone should believe. And boy do we believe the Sh.t they feed us. Bunch of pathetic mass of morons. The lot of us.

 

[VineyIsLORD]

I think the Kurds would argue otherwise on Saddam.

The Kurds are persecuted by Turkey far more than Syria or Iraq.

I do hope we see a Kurdistan one day, but it wont happen while the west backs Erdogan.

 

[LeverPuller]

The Kurds are persecuted by Turkey far more than Syria or Iraq.

I do hope we see a Kurdistan one day, but it wont happen while the west backs Erdogan.

They are now.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halabja_chemical_attack

 

[VineyIsLORD]

They are now.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halabja_chemical_attack

Always have been.

The Turks have genocidal form going way back.

One village being gassed by Saddam doesn't come close to being comparable.

FWIW he consistently denied any involvement in it. Knowing what we know about the American war machine, I wouldn't be surprised if he was telling the truth there.

EDIT: Did a bit of google-fu and came across this, seems pretty legit:

Stephen C. Pelletiere, the CIA's senior political analyst on Iraq during the 1980s.

In the article, Pelletiere said the only thing known for certain was that "Kurds were bombarded with poison gas that day at Halabja. We cannot say with any certainty that Iraqi chemical weapons killed the Kurds."

Pelletiere said the gassing occurred during a battle between Iraqis and Iranians.

"Iraq used chemical weapons to try to kill Iranians who had seized the town ... The Kurdish civilians who died had the misfortune to be caught up in that exchange. But they were not Iraq's main target," he wrote.

The former CIA official revealed that immediately after the battle the U.S. Defense Intelligence Agency investigated and produced a classified report that said it was Iranian gas that killed the Kurds.

Both sides used gas at Halabja, Pelletiere suggested.

"The condition of the dead Kurds' bodies however, indicated they had been killed with a blood agent — that is, a cyanide-based gas — which Iran was known to use. The Iraqis, who are thought to have used mustard gas in the battle, are not known to have possessed blood agents at the time."

 

[The Speaker]

Just two of the many people affected by the wrongheaded idea that democracy leads to justice and freedom, rather than the other way around.

 

[CD Xbow]

Just two of the many people affected by the wrongheaded idea that democracy leads to justice and freedom, rather than the other way around.

Very profound. That's why I love BF. BTW can I use it?

 

[Gough]

And now they're talking about North Korea.

 

[cannot]

And now they're talking about North Korea.

fox news been baggin on about it for ages

 

[The Speaker]

Very profound. That's why I love BF. BTW can I use it?

Of course.

And now they're talking about North Korea.

NK is potentially different in that it is more like East Germany than anything else.