Preview National Draft discussion (Picks 14, 35, 43, 58)

[WaynesWorld19]

Last Stats :
60% of Outside players selected in the first round FAIL

20% of inside players who hunt their own ball selected in the first round FAIL

High Risk selecting a pure outsider ......Cockatoo is inside/out and gets his own ball
Appearing that KPP are dropping down the order ...Durdin, Goddard, Marchbank

With the exception of Freo .......picks 10 to 13 looking for midfielders ...forget bullshit of picking best available , clubs are picking best available in their area of need

 

[Bicks]

Wouldn't mind taking this guy with pick 35. He has elite skills.

http://www.afl.com.au/video/2014-09-10/clem-smith-highlights

Who told you that??

Everything I've seen or heard has his disposal as poor, absolutely no tank, tackle mad but usually too high.....compared to Byron Pickett in that he really tries to hurt people.

 

[The19thMan]

Who told you that??

Everything I've seen or heard has his disposal as poor, absolutely no tank, tackle mad but usually too high.....compared to Byron Pickett in that he really tries to hurt people.

Sorry yeah you're right, I was just going off the video and his coach said he's one of the most talented players in the draft.

Obviously not what the scouts are seeing.

 

[StonesThrow]

Last Stats :
60% of Outside players selected in the first round FAIL

20% of inside players who hunt their own ball selected in the first round FAIL

High Risk selecting a pure outsider ......Cockatoo is inside/out and gets his own ball
Appearing that KPP are dropping down the order ...Durdin, Goddard, Marchbank

With the exception of Freo .......picks 10 to 13 looking for midfielders ...forget bullshit of picking best available , clubs are picking best available in their area of need

Defining players as outside or inside is not black and white so those stats might be a bit vague.

Agree though, pure outside runners with next to zero ball winning ability are very high risk. Think that's why menadue is only rated 20 to 30

 

[Bicks]

Defining players as outside or inside is not black and white so those stats might be a bit vague.

Agree though, pure outside runners with next to zero ball winning ability are very high risk. Think that's why menadue is only rated 20 to 30

And highlight reels are just that...Highlights...

3 or 4 minutes of the player's BEST moments out of a whole season of football....

 

[StonesThrow]

And highlight reels are just that...Highlights...

3 or 4 minutes of the player's BEST moments out of a whole season of football....

Yep.

I try not to comment on who we should or should not select especially when all I've seen is a highlights video.

They are great highlights though haha

 

[Bailey01]

Once Menadue puts more on his 69kg he will be a gun player like Isaac Smith for Hawthorn. I just hope he plays for us.

 

[mickfaxis]

Once Menadue puts more on his 69kg he will be a gun player like Isaac Smith for Hawthorn. I just hope he plays for us.

Does look very, very quick. Is he a leftie?

 

[spexau]

Does look very, very quick. Is he a leftie?

Right from those highlights. Does make a left footed pass going full tilt though so might be something to work with.

 

[Messiah]

Impressive... But can he play football?

No he is crap. Guarantee he won't get picked by us.
Thankfully AFC recruiting team stopped picking athletes once that clown Rendell left (Spud McKernan exhibit A).

 

[hendo8888]

If there were 2 players of equal value and one was Vic Metro, other from SA, we'd probably go local. But otherwise, you'd hope they wouldn't go for a lesser, just because the better one was VM.

 

[Elite Crow]

Last Stats :
60% of Outside players selected in the first round FAIL

20% of inside players who hunt their own ball selected in the first round FAIL

High Risk selecting a pure outsider ......Cockatoo is inside/out and gets his own ball
Appearing that KPP are dropping down the order ...Durdin, Goddard, Marchbank

With the exception of Freo .......picks 10 to 13 looking for midfielders ...forget bullshit of picking best available , clubs are picking best available in their area of need

Where did you get those stats from?

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

Where did you get those stats from?

Also was the definition of fail

 

[SpeciousArgument]

Who told you that??

Everything I've seen or heard has his disposal as poor, absolutely no tank, tackle mad but usually too high.....compared to Byron Pickett in that he really tries to hurt people.

I wouldnt mind one of those types that was also a serviceable sub to snipe players roughing up dangerfield.

 

[Skippos]

Wouldn't mind taking this guy with pick 35. He has elite skills.

http://www.afl.com.au/video/2014-09-10/clem-smith-highlights

The knock on Smith is his skills. He's capable of some amazing lace out passes but equally as capable of some horrendous turnovers.

In general he's not someone whose hands I'd want the ball in.

 

[Skippos]

Last Stats :
60% of Outside players selected in the first round FAIL

20% of inside players who hunt their own ball selected in the first round FAIL

High Risk selecting a pure outsider ......Cockatoo is inside/out and gets his own ball
Appearing that KPP are dropping down the order ...Durdin, Goddard, Marchbank

With the exception of Freo .......picks 10 to 13 looking for midfielders ...forget bullshit of picking best available , clubs are picking best available in their area of need

I'm not sure if the numbers are that high and it's difficult to define 'fail' but it's a theory I do agree with. In general inside mids/mids with an inside game and key position players are the types that translate the best. I'd certainly want a pure outsider to be 'special' before taking them early as they have traditionally been far more high risk types early draft.

 

[Flip Side]

Yeah, fair to say I do like the look of Menaude. With the right development team, we could turn him into exactly the type of player we need - a line-breaking utility. Sounds a bit inconsistent, and has a fair bit of development, but he could be worth it.

14. Connor Menadue (VIC – Mid/Def)
Weaknesses:
Relatively lean and inconsistent production – Menadue at this stage while a high impact player when he has the ball, does not accumulate big numbers every game. He can at this stage have his quiet games and more quiet games than you would ideally like. He can also get tagged out of games and with it struggle to find the footy. What I expect will improve:I expect Menadue to continue doing what he does but also put weight onto his frame, to find more of the footy more often and to improve his inside game as he has played much of the past couple of seasons in the back half and will with more time on the ball improve his inside game.

Emma Quayle:
Connor Menadue (Western Jets)
AFL biography: Excellent athlete that uses his pace and running capacity to run and carry the footy and often breaks the lines. A quiet kid by nature that has the ability to play on a range of opponents regardless of size. Averaged 19.6 disposals per game in his 14 matches for the Western Jets. Consistency is his greatest strength.

Same player right? That's the problem with these summaries, very subjective.

Got to say I am finding knightmare's summaries of strengths to be overblown, it's like there are 40 guys that are the next coming. Good on him for the time and effort but finding it hard to buy in.

 

[GROTTO]

Skippos love your work on the phantom draft. Have you updated your draft to reflect the final standings?

Who do you have us picking with our first two picks?

Apologies if this has been asked 100,000 times before.

 

[azza77]

Emma Quayle:
Connor Menadue (Western Jets)
AFL biography: Excellent athlete that uses his pace and running capacity to run and carry the footy and often breaks the lines. A quiet kid by nature that has the ability to play on a range of opponents regardless of size. Averaged 19.6 disposals per game in his 14 matches for the Western Jets. Consistency is his greatest strength.

Same player right? That's the problem with these summaries, very subjective.

Got to say I am finding knightmare's summaries of strengths to be overblown, it's like there are 40 guys that are the next coming. Good on him for the time and effort but finding it hard to buy in.

Saw his numbers and was going to say, averaging a touch under 20 disposals a game as a skinny outside wingman is not bad at all. Was starting to question this "inconsistent" stuff myself

 

[Flip Side]

Saw his numbers and was going to say, averaging a touch under 20 disposals a game as a skinny outside wingman is not bad at all. Was starting to question this "inconsistent" stuff myself

Yes, it's interesting looking across the AFL at career stats of outside players.

Career Aves

 

[hippyhippy]

on those stats, mckay doesnt look too bad, except he doesnt kick enough goals.

 

[Bob Neil]

Just out of interest, who would posters point to as quintessential line breaking outside midfielder with pace that we want the Crows selection to mimic?

The reason I ask is that I can think of only a few good ones, of which they all display inconsistency and fluctuation in form. (A product of their role perhaps?) so off the top of my head L.Jetta, Yarran, Rioli, S.Hill... On reflection the most highly credentialed statistically is I.Smith, with B.Hill not far behind. In pure stats Mackay is about the mark.

A month or two ago in a different thread someone - sorry I can't recall who - made the interesting point that perhaps Charlie Cameron could be our version of Brad Hill and be that line-breaking wingman. From my perspective Mackay's stats don't add up - he's a fair way off the mark off of the top-line wingmen in the comp (Hill, Hill, Smith, et al).

 

[dylan123]

on those stats, mckay doesnt look too bad, except he doesnt kick enough goals.

Except he doesn't get a tag whereas the dangerous ones do and still average a similar amount of disposals/more.

 

[Tex200]

MacKay is arguably the most disappointing player on our list.

From a hard running line breaker who was BOG in the 2009 semi final, to an average plodder that just does enough to collect his match fee each week.

 

[androidtommy]

on those stats, mckay doesnt look too bad, except he doesnt kick enough goals.

Doesn't kick many goals because we play him a long way from the goals. Many of the others are attacking wingmen, mackay usually very defensive