Well that's the question I have really.
In this instance, other than being held up for position, why wouldn't the marathon runner look to go ahead of Bolt rather than keep bunched together?
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In this instance, other than being held up for position, why wouldn't the marathon runner look to go ahead of Bolt rather than keep bunched together?
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Because if jockeys were a foot taller they'd all be unemployed.
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In a 24 runner field its less practical to try and run around a great deal of other horses adding more meters to an already long race and running the horse out of rhythm, that's for the horses that have the option to run around and arent one of the many that are buried and have no choice as to where they go or what speed they run at
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Without trying to sound too flippant, Duritz isn't far from the truth. Rating the speed is certainly a bit of a lost art, especially with Sydney riders I find as they love to go hard, find the lead, then drop anchor and go as slow as possible.
In this case quite a few of the 'marathon runners' were drawn indifferently and if you're back in the field, you're basically being dicated to by the front runners. Jock's only option would be to take the initiative and go around the outside quick, do they have the balls to do this in the biggest race of the year, with every move scrutinised? Or risk firing up their horse too early in th race and having it not settle and therefore tire before the straight? Well, maybe that seperates the great from the good.
I can't explain why they applied the brakes coming up to the 600m where they bunched.
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Well it's probably more a 400m specialist vs Bolt over 400m. The conditions that we're talking about (in the Melbourne cup) is when the 100m sprint comes, the 400m runner already has a 30m distance advantage. The 400m runner runs a 13s 100m while Bolt runs 10s, and the 400m runner wins. It's physically impossible for Bolt to run quicker than 9.5s hence physically impossible for him to catch said 400m runner.
Leaders at the front of the race want to go slow to disadvantage those a distance behind them blocked up in traffic as the pace is dictated to them. Back markers don't really want to use too much energy and pressure these front runners as it most are limited and can't burn the candle at both ends.
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Is he going to make breakfast?
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He won't
Duritz has explained what happened on Tuesday to a tee - if you want to after time the result all you want then go ahead.
Lensen - ride has answered your question perfectly.
In hindsight, Purton should have taken off on Fame Game like Bowman did on Amralah in the HP. But who the hell is going to do that on a $4 fave in a Melbourne Cup? Very few jockeys would have the balls. If he does it - and Fame Game completely folds at the 400m - there'd be riots in the stands.
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did laugh.
whats he get next year 58kg? 5kg swing over two miles? simple maths..... he's hardly going to put eggs on faces at anything under WFA/mile and a half. I doubt he'll win another race.
whats he get next year 58kg? 5kg swing over two miles? simple maths..... he's hardly going to put eggs on faces at anything under WFA/mile and a half. I doubt he'll win another race.
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I'm actually serious but if there is some good value 3200m hurdle's around they should definitely train him for them. If he has any jumping ability at all he'd destroy those sort of fields. Could be a good boost for the jumps industry in Australia too.
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Lol... I bet the owners would love to read that post. "Guy on Internet forum says promising career over the jumps looms for Melbourne cup winner."
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I actually think we need to promote jumps more. if we want to start winning our own cup we need to be able to race the "accidental" 2.5 miler that pops out. I really hope the stigma around jumps disappears.
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They could start up a jazzy marketing campaign. "Come see them BEFORE they're in your dogs can of Pal!"
Ok Im gunna declare my interest here.
A family members good mate is in the horse so I know a little about him.
This horse has been through 2 serious leg injuries as well as a severe bout of colic.
Sometimes we forget they are flesh & blood & despite all the ratings,patterns & history,stayers can improve with racing.
Did he need a lot to go right,of course but he still needed to be good enough to take advantage of it.
There were plenty of others in the race who could have benefited but simply werent good enough.
His owners didnt think he could win either but he did & like most results,its in the book.
Its a very important book
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A family members good mate is in the horse so I know a little about him.
This horse has been through 2 serious leg injuries as well as a severe bout of colic.
Sometimes we forget they are flesh & blood & despite all the ratings,patterns & history,stayers can improve with racing.
Did he need a lot to go right,of course but he still needed to be good enough to take advantage of it.
There were plenty of others in the race who could have benefited but simply werent good enough.
His owners didnt think he could win either but he did & like most results,its in the book.
Its a very important book
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One good thing about Prince of Penzance winning is it stopped the irish jumper from winning the cup!
All to do with closing sectionals and how quickly backmarkers need to run their final 600m vs leaders and the what they can sustain over the distance. Central premise is if a horse goes fast early, it will run its closing times slower than a horse who expended less energy early and hence can run faster times at the end. If it goes slow early, it will speed up later.
So we have front runners not running their closing sectionals as quickly as those out back. Can the backmarkers catch the front runners? Will depend on how quickly the front runners ran early, how much energy was expended and how quickly they can run their closing sectionals compared to the backrunners who need to run closing times much faster to also make up for gaps.
The times run early in the Melb Cup meant that at the 600m, it was impossible for those past about 10 to make up the ground given the front runners had gone very easy up front and still ran decent closing sectionals.
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Agreed Seth, and to clarify I am not arguing with any of that at all. In fact in the OP that's essentially what I was saying: the horse needed to improve a little bit, and then a lot had to go right.
Its quite likely he'll never win again, but really, he doesn't need to.
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Yup
Happy to put my hand up and own a Cup winner that subsequently gets beaten panels at every subsequent start Protectionst/Magicool style.
Especially if it wins at 100/1 knocking everyone out of the quaddie
Happy to put my hand up and own a Cup winner that subsequently gets beaten panels at every subsequent start Protectionst/Magicool style.
Especially if it wins at 100/1 knocking everyone out of the quaddie
Yup
Happy to put my hand up and own a Cup winner that subsequently gets beaten panels at every subsequent start Protectionst/Magicool style.
Especially if it wins at 100/1 knocking everyone out of the quaddie
Especially one so unexpected,absolutely no nerves going in & happy to enjoy the experience of the week.
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Would be good to see the Cup Day Hurdle reinstated, but the industry's been stood over by activists.
Now i'm only a novice punter and come here for tips to help me out.
What i don't get is everyone bangs on about speed, if certain horses need speed to win why wouldn't they up the issue. Surely other horses are allowed to run the race that suits them wether that be slow or fast, to give them the best chance of winning. If what is happening in the race doesn't suit your horse why not try to change it.
What i don't get is everyone bangs on about speed, if certain horses need speed to win why wouldn't they up the issue. Surely other horses are allowed to run the race that suits them wether that be slow or fast, to give them the best chance of winning. If what is happening in the race doesn't suit your horse why not try to change it.
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Because 90% of jockeys are either morons or gutless (sometimes both )
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i wouldn't rag on the jockeys too much. some of the backmarkers are just too limited to be able to do it. Versatility is still underrated. Also you can really only peel out and pressure the leader if you are already 2-3 wide with nothing on your outside, which again limits which horses/jockeys can actually make the move. you also have to go even wider to make up the ground and doing it on a bend is a sin.
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Hard to tell if the horses aren't versatile or if the jockey's just wont take a chance. Amralah seemed to do alright with that type of ride in the HP.
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