NFL Relocations and League Expansion

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Pleased to hear that the Chargers owners are staying PUT this upcoming season with a chance a new stadium is a chance in being built in ol' Diego.

It's bad enough that the Junior Seau's restaurant closed their doors after his death but to kill off the tradition of the Chargers is just WRONG as well.

I've actually been here.. back in '99. mode of transport: Mustang rental. :thumbsu:

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The Chargers have decided to pursue a downtown stadium in San Diego.

"Our goal is to win voter approval in November 2016 for a downtown multi-use stadium/convention center facility," the team said in a statement. "We will deliver regular reports to our fans and to the community about the progress we are making." The Chargers are determined not to be Stan Kroenke's tenants in Los Angeles, but the decision ultimately lies in the hands of voters.


Source: chargers.com
 
http://www.si.com/nfl/2016/03/15/rams-relocation-los-angeles-memorial-coliseum

But the anticipation for the Rams being back in the old neighborhood is building, and the Rams have those well-publicized 56,000 deposits of $100 for the right to buy as many as eight season tickets to prove it. If everyone takes them up on that offer to the max, the Coliseum will have a seating problem on its hands that makes Jerry Jones’s Super Bowl fiasco in Dallas look minor-league by comparison. The Rams had been targeting a “capacity” crowd in the mid-to-high 60,000s, but that now might wind up in the low 70s due to demand. And while many of the seats in the east bowl feature what are considered to be bad sight lines, given how far they are from the field, the Rams could for big games put all 93,000 seats on sale, a la Jones in his massive AT&T Stadium. (USC’s renovation plans will drop the seating capacity to about 77,000-plus, partially impacting only the Rams’ third and final season there).

http://www.si.com/nfl/2016/03/15/rams-relocation-los-angeles-memorial-coliseum
 
Does anyone know why they picked the coliseum over the Rose Bowl for these couple of seasons? The Rose Bowl has had a bit of Reno work on it over the last few years and is in much better nick then the coliseum. Surely they aren't playing at the coliseum for nostalgia value.... $$$$ must be involved somewhere here.
 

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budge27 said:
Does anyone know why they picked the coliseum over the Rose Bowl for these couple of seasons? The Rose Bowl has had a bit of Reno work on it over the last few years and is in much better nick then the coliseum. Surely they aren't playing at the coliseum for nostalgia value.... $$$$ must be involved somewhere here.
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perhaps the mob that runs the Rose Bowl weren't interested in having the Rams there if they were only going to be there temporarily
 
Pro Football Talk's Mike Florio reports the Raiders moving to Las Vegas remains a possibility.

Raiders owner Mark Davis visited Las Vegas again on Friday. Giants co-owner John Mara said "most owners" view the possibility of a franchise in Vegas as a "non-starter," but Florio reports the Raiders could find support from the "new-school owners" who are comfortable with a team playing in a state with legalized gambling. The NFL already plays multiple games every season in London, where gambling is legal. The Raiders signed a one-year lease with the Oakland Coliseum in February, but their future after this season remains up in the air.

Source: Pro Football Talk
 
GG.exe said:
Pro Football Talk's Mike Florio reports the Raiders moving to Las Vegas remains a possibility.

Raiders owner Mark Davis visited Las Vegas again on Friday. Giants co-owner John Mara said "most owners" view the possibility of a franchise in Vegas as a "non-starter," but Florio reports the Raiders could find support from the "new-school owners" who are comfortable with a team playing in a state with legalized gambling. The NFL already plays multiple games every season in London, where gambling is legal. The Raiders signed a one-year lease with the Oakland Coliseum in February, but their future after this season remains up in the air.

Source: Pro Football Talk
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Interesting to note that Colin Cowherd reported on his radio show a few days ago that Jerry Jones and Stan Kroenke are both backing Mark Davis' proposal to move to Vegas. Mark has always wanted Vegas as the #1 option, but until now, it hasn't really ever been a realistic option. Lots of water to go under the bridge yet, but this is definitely something to watch going forward.
 
Bleacher Report's Jason Cole reports Raiders owner Mark Davis will be in Las Vegas later this month to discuss the construction of a new stadium.

Davis will speak at a meeting to decide if the city will contribute funds to a stadium project. Cole reports Davis is expected to "pledge" a move to Vegas if the council ponies up the funds. Davis, of course, does not have the ability to unilaterally move his franchise, and it remains unclear how much support the move to Vegas has among other owners. The Raiders signed a one-year lease with the Oakland Coliseum in February, meaning they could move as early as next season.


Source: Bleacher Report
 
I know that I am not a Raider fan..but having been to Las Vegas (as many of you have as well) I can not think of a worse place to put a team.

Do you guys really want to go there?
 
http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com...chargers-nfl-stadium/2/?chargers#article-copy


Interesting tidbit below, don’t wanna here any of these owners bitching about Vegas sports gambling. I didn’t know that Kraft and Jones were investors in fantasy sports. Double standard much?

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"Then again, the league holds games in London, which has more betting parlors than it has Starbucks. The NFL has talked about a permanent team in London since 2006.

Meanwhile, two powerful team owners, Jerry Jones of the Cowboys and Robert Kraft of the Patriots, are investors in online fantasy sports. Six state attorneys general have concluded the activity amounts to illegal gambling."
 
AmericanCrow said:
I know that I am not a Raider fan..but having been to Las Vegas (as many of you have as well) I can not think of a worse place to put a team.

Do you guys really want to go there?
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I've been there too. Hate the city personally, but I can most definitely see the appeal. The NFL is all about creating a show 10 times per year in every home city. Vegas would most definitely allow them to do that.
 
Chewy316 said:
I've been there too. Hate the city personally, but I can most definitely see the appeal. The NFL is all about creating a show 10 times per year in every home city. Vegas would most definitely allow them to do that.
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It is a transient city football wise. You will be facing "home" crowds filled with fans from opposing teams.

Not sure you will end up getting quite the show you might want.
 
GG.exe said:
Raiders really could end up here in Vegas. Governor Sandoval has been quite successful on getting major business enterprises come to the state. I'm starting to believe.

http://m.lasvegassun.com/news/2016/apr/15/sandoval-raiders-owner-davis-sincere-about-possibl/
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Just a few obvious Reasons Why the Raiders (or any other NFL team for that matter) will NEVER be in Las Vegas:

1.this “proposed” stadium in LV would be built for the University of Nevada Las Vegas first and foremost, and could “possibly” be used as a home for a NFL team. NFL prefers that teams own and operate their own venues, with a strong revenue stream that they can tap into.

2.The local economy in Las Vegas is not particularly strong.

3.The LV market size barely cracks the Top 40

4.Las Vegas is a transient city, meaning that its residents are constantly moving to and from the city. This does not bode well for a solid base of fans to spend $$$ on luxury suites, club seats, and lower bowl seats in a new stadium. If you don’t think the NFL has taken complete notice of this, you’re as crazy as the people trying to actually lure a team to LV.

5.The median household income for the Las Vegas Valley is $58,432. In the Bay Area, that # skyrockets to $80,000 yearly.

6.As everyone is already well aware, the legalized gambling and casinos that authorize it are a huge “red flag” for the NFL for obvious reasons. You can all bring up other cities that authorize legalized gambling, and that may have a professional sports franchise in close proximity, but it’s just not Las Vegas. There’s obviously a reason why all professional sports leagues have continued to avoid putting one of their franchises in that market place.

7.The HOU owners meeting more than confirmed how the NFL and majority of owners feel about Mark Davis. He took a huge ass-kicking, and was completely segregated from the conversation. Pretty clear is that Davis has few allies among his fellow owners, and will never receive the necessary 24 owner votes of approval to relocate the team outside of the Bay Area. Not to mention the fact that many of the owners really like the Bay Area market, its economy growth potential, and the 2-team market appeal it possesses.

8.May seem foolish, but many owners and the league are definitely leery of the temptations that come along with the Las Vegas night life.
 
GG.exe said:
Just a few obvious Reasons Why the Raiders (or any other NFL team for that matter) will NEVER be in Las Vegas:

1.this “proposed” stadium in LV would be built for the University of Nevada Las Vegas first and foremost, and could “possibly” be used as a home for a NFL team. NFL prefers that teams own and operate their own venues, with a strong revenue stream that they can tap into.

2.The local economy in Las Vegas is not particularly strong.

3.The LV market size barely cracks the Top 40

4.Las Vegas is a transient city, meaning that its residents are constantly moving to and from the city. This does not bode well for a solid base of fans to spend $$$ on luxury suites, club seats, and lower bowl seats in a new stadium. If you don’t think the NFL has taken complete notice of this, you’re as crazy as the people trying to actually lure a team to LV.

5.The median household income for the Las Vegas Valley is $58,432. In the Bay Area, that # skyrockets to $80,000 yearly.

6.As everyone is already well aware, the legalized gambling and casinos that authorize it are a huge “red flag” for the NFL for obvious reasons. You can all bring up other cities that authorize legalized gambling, and that may have a professional sports franchise in close proximity, but it’s just not Las Vegas. There’s obviously a reason why all professional sports leagues have continued to avoid putting one of their franchises in that market place.

7.The HOU owners meeting more than confirmed how the NFL and majority of owners feel about Mark Davis. He took a huge ass-kicking, and was completely segregated from the conversation. Pretty clear is that Davis has few allies among his fellow owners, and will never receive the necessary 24 owner votes of approval to relocate the team outside of the Bay Area. Not to mention the fact that many of the owners really like the Bay Area market, its economy growth potential, and the 2-team market appeal it possesses.

8.May seem foolish, but many owners and the league are definitely leery of the temptations that come along with the Las Vegas night life.
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Man... where to begin?

1. Mark Davis would not have to fork up much money and seems content with being a partner in the right place under the right circumstances. Vegas might get him the stadium he wants.
2. The local economy is not only strong, it's becoming diversified and it's growing and attracting high tech industries
3. Most Raiders fans don't live in Oakland. People will still tune in to watch them.
4. Las Vegas has transiency higher than other cities, to be sure, but that's changing. It's stabilizing . About a third of my family moved up here from Southern California and have been here over a decade. That's more than 50 people just from my family. I know many people whose families have done the same. As far as no base for money, do you have any idea how much money people come to spend in Vegas? It's not just gambling anymore. Some people from out of town come several times a month. Not to mention, casinos and other businesses will buy the luxury suites like they currently do at Thomas and Mack. Just because you don't the like idea doesn't mean that those of us who think it could happen are crazy.
5. Sure median household hovers around $60K a year, but the median home price is about $210K. Way less than half of what it is in the Bay Area.
6. The NFL legally sanctions football betting with fantasy football. And gambling no longer carries the stigma it used to.
7. We don't know what the owners would do if there is a viable plan in place that would make them a ton of money.
8. Temptation is everywhere.

Class dismissed.
 
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